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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭Nozebleed


    "Iran is the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today"

    hmmm..i dont think so. America is a terrorist nation. filthy war mongers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    Shryke wrote: »
    It has been attacked already. Another attack doesn't mean anything is going to happen on a larger scale, which is the brunt of what you're trying to imply, and yes it's scaremongering.

    so dropping the bunker buster is not going to expand things " on a larger scale "?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/us-israel-iran-idUSBRE84G0UC20120517

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/iran-vows-to-strike-israel-immediately-if-attacked-1.283990

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-14/israel-plans-for-iran-strike-as-citizens-say-government-serious

    but again it's all in my imagination, and i am just trying to scare people

    its a POSSIBILITY - that is all i have said , as is your opinion , but things are pointing towards me being correct rather than you

    What you're reading and from your interpretation you think that your opinion is more correct than mine? That doesn't say much when you don't seem to know much about the region.
    You haven't addressed any of the pertinent information that has been brought up in this thread. You open the thread talking about bombing Iran into the future with a big smiley face ffs.
    You're all over the place. Get a grip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Nozebleed wrote: »
    "Iran is the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today"

    hmmm..i dont think so. America is a terrorist nation. filthy war mongers.

    well you might be correct - so that fact probably makes it all the more likely it will happen, seeing they have built a bomb for the Iranian nuke site - i would be less concerned if Sweden had it, rather than the people who have planned and built the weapon - America

    lets hope 2 fu2k that it is all bluster and im 100% wrong ( i have said this many many times )

    but sorry to say - the evidence points towards some military action in the future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Shryke wrote: »
    What you're reading and from your interpretation you think that your opinion is more correct than mine? That doesn't say much when you don't seem to know much about the region.
    You haven't addressed any of the pertinent information that has been brought up in this thread. You open the thread talking about bombing Iran into the future with a big smiley face ffs.
    You're all over the place. Get a grip.

    no i said " or as some people think, bombed forward to the stone age " and lots would and do think that - ie, that it is a backward country and a good bombing would do it not harm - not my view at all - but a view that is out there

    ignoring that this view is held bymany powerful people is ignorance on your part

    as for my opinion , i have said many many many times i could be and hope i am wrong - but i have provided views that agree with my opinion,
    i dont think my opinion is any more valid than yours - i just disagree with you
    and can do it without lowering the tone, with smart arsed comments about me " having a drink taken "

    says more about you than ever will about me
    dont worry - i have a firm grip - but thanks for your concern


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    They can't even play WoW in Iran now.

    Harsh times :pac:

    Indeed.
    So the States have given US companies an order to not honour paid business/consumer transactions - just shows what arrogant hypocritical assholes they really are.
    Countless poor sods in Tehran who never gave a sh1t about international politics and just cared about their game time are now pissed at the US. Bravo.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    but sorry to say - the evidence points towards some military action in the future

    Fairly obvious, I think. The US is itching to bomb the fuck out of some other poor gob****es, and with Israel in the mix they have a potential excuse. Personally I believe Israel needs a lesson. Waaay too big for their own boots and they've caused untold damage since 1947 after, uh, 'borrowing' some land on the UK's say-so. But the US think Israel can do no wrong, so it's kaboom to Iran.

    What's next? I'm guessing it'll be back to the US's old favourite, South America. Hugo Chavez had better buy Kevlar vests in bulk. One day the US will come against China though, and on that day I will be cheering on the Chinese.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    it understood globally that this COULD happen - the positions have been made clear by the main players.
    all have voiced their reaction to any action against them - publicly and repeatedly.
    Sanctions have been taken against Iran ( rightly or wrongly, you decide ) becasue of the suspected use of the facility in the future.

    weapons and plans are ready - they have both admitted it again publicly
    The US and Israel have said that they leave open the option of bombing the facility in the future.

    the EU have laid sanctions against them ( oil being the big one ), and have threatened removal of diplomatic status , then Canada also pulls out , with the Brits leaving and all the coverage in the media on this - is it not fair to consider this could and might happen ?

    i have not supported or called for any action - i have not had a bias on ANY SIDE - im calling it as others are calling it

    i have been accused of failing to provide proof for this - well i give you the above, and all the links in the posts previous - it points towards trouble

    and im far from the only one that feels this way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    What effect would it have on Ireland, well on any neutral countries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    What affect would it have on Ireland, well on any neutral countries?

    i would affect your pocket - the price of oil would sky rocket :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭brimal


    Confab wrote: »
    ... Personally I believe Israel needs a lesson...

    Please explain.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Ice87


    DJ Jarvis, everyone knows this war is a possibility. You would want to have your head buried in the sand not to have heard about it..It seems like you have only ventured across some new information recently that you felt the need to share. What exactly is your opinion on the matter?

    These threats have been going on for the last two years and nobody has made a move. I know people over there and they've been saying that it's only a matter of time before it happens yet nothing has. Hopefully nothing does. An unstable middle east makes the world a very dangerous place.

    My own opinion is that the U.S will only get involved in this if Iran strike first.
    Otherwise nothing will happen and they will remain in constant fear of each other until something does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭nice_very


    might be a chance for Palestine freedom...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    What effect would it have on Ireland, well on any neutral countries?

    Its fairly complicated but I'll have a stab at an answer for you.

    First of all, Iran would block the Persian Gulf - which in effect would effect everything trying to pass through it.
    Prices would increase - maybe quickly on items besides/including oil itself.

    Any nations giving assistance of ANY kind to states Iran sees as a foe, might also be seen as siding against them so - while there might be a minimal threat of direct attack, Irish folk abroad in countries supportive of Iran, might find themselves in a tough position to put it lightly.

    The stock markets and subsequently, the banking sector might be thrown into turmoil to say the least - the knock-on effects of that alone would be felt sharpish!

    Some of certain religions (maybe not too much in Ireland as such - I hope) would see another person/family of another religion, as potential foes and/or at least not to be trusted.

    There are loads of knock-on effects besides possible direct ones.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Shake shake shake the room



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    [QUOTE=Ice87;80692644]DJ Jarvis, everyone knows this war is a possibility. You would want to have your head buried in the sand not to have heard about it..It seems like you have only ventured across some new information recently that you felt the need to share. What exactly is your opinion on the matter?

    These threats have been going on for the last two years and nobody has made a move. I know people over there and they've been saying that it's only a matter of time before it happens yet nothing has. Hopefully nothing does. An unstable middle east makes the world a very dangerous place.

    My own opinion is that the U.S will only get involved in this if Iran strike first.
    Otherwise nothing will happen and they will remain in constant fear of each other until something does.[/QUOTE]

    i dont think this is new info at all , i was talking about this months ago on another thread about this - my point ( again ) is that embassy's closing is normally a sign of things to come , ie another small move towards action

    i also think its fairly obvious its going to happen and what the outcome will be,some disagree with me on this point becasue im drunk apparently,

    as i have said hope it does not happen , i was drawing attention to the fact that Canada was getting out, without much being said in the main stream media - that was my point - i cant see why some bothered to go for such a attack on my posts considering it looks to be a fair conclusion by most that it will happen - and if it happens lives will be lost

    again obvious really - just wanting to get at the nitty gritty of peoples opinions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Sir Pompous Righteousness




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    so this points towards my point that America is worried that Israel will go solo
    if nothing, its dangerous rhetoric and adds fuel to the fire

    quote
    Addressing reporters here in Jerusalem on Tuesday, Mr. Netanyahu unequivocally rejected those comments and slapped back at the United States. Speaking in English, he said, “The world tells Israel: ‘Wait, there’s still time.’ And I say, ‘Wait for what? Wait until when?’ Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”

    full article

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/united-states-and-israel-engage-in-public-spat-over-iran-policy.html?_r=1&hp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    so it begins

    a sign that Iran is about to get a visit from some missiles with the star of david on them ?

    http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/canada-cuts-iran-diplomatic-links-3223059.html

    so that add's to the list of nations getting out of dodge

    will paddy power take a bet on Iran getting bombed back to the stone age before Christmas ? or as some people think bombed forward to the stone age :D

    Relax there's been a few conflicts in the middle east recently and the world didn't end

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Israel attacking iran wont stop anything. It'll only slow them down. And strengthen their resolve. Then they WILL get nukes for definite. Both the direct and indirect ramifications for Israel will be huge. As a top US military commander put it recently, long term it would achieve nothing. Attacking Iran will only lead to a disasterous fallout for Israel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Relax there's been a few conflicts in the middle east recently and the world didn't end

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_conflicts_in_the_Middle_East

    yea , has been many many conflicts in that area

    none involving a Islamic state with the ability to launch long range missiles that could be armed with some kind of nuke device
    a Islamic state that wants regime change in Jerusalem
    a Islamic state that has a nuke facility
    a Islamic state run by Nutty clerics and their even nuttier president roy keane

    read the links i have posted on this and then get back to me

    i take it you read todays new york times - backing up what i am saying all thread

    america is nervous that Isreal will go solo - and has said so in public many many times
    Canada pull out - brits are gone - Europe is going to go next - it all could be coincidence , maybe its not

    but if im so far off the mark , why is Israel shouting about this so much ? no smoke without fire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    yea , has been many many conflicts in that area

    none involving a Islamic state with the ability to launch long range missiles that could be armed with some kind of nuke device
    a Islamic state that wants regime change in Jerusalem
    a Islamic state that has a nuke facility
    a Islamic state run by Nutty clerics and their even nuttier president roy keane

    read the links i have posted on this and then get back to me

    i take it you read todays new york times - backing up what i am saying all thread

    america is nervous that Isreal will go solo - and has said so in public many many times
    Canada pull out - brits are gone - Europe is going to go next - it all could be coincidence , maybe its not

    but if im so far off the mark , why is Israel shouting about this so much ? no smoke without fire

    But what do you see as worst case senario, Israel bomb Iran and Iran bomb Israel back?

    Hardly like the Iran-Iraq war with 1 million+ deaths is it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    so this points towards my point that America is worried that Israel will go solo
    if nothing, its dangerous rhetoric and adds fuel to the fire

    Israel will never attack Iran on it's own and as for bombing them to the
    next stone age you must be joking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Elessar wrote: »
    Israel attacking iran wont stop anything. It'll only slow them down. And strengthen their resolve. Then they WILL get nukes for definite. Both the direct and indirect ramifications for Israel will be huge. As a top US military commander put it recently, long term it would achieve nothing. Attacking Iran will only lead to a disasterous fallout for Israel.

    i agree with you - but Israel either does not know this or care
    it pushing for America to do its dirty work , but in my opinion they will soon get pissed off on the lack of movement - and do something drastic either covert or overt

    im sure as **** smells, as we speak Israel is hammering away at this faculty
    by assassinations , spying and cyber attacks
    if this does not work for them they really have only one option - bring the US into the fight - they have the hardware


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Soo, ye're saying they have weapons of mass destruction??? I've heard that phrase before, somwhere, can't quite remember...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    But what do you see as worst case senario, Israel bomb Iran and Iran bomb Israel back?

    Hardly like the Iran-Iraq war with 1 million+ deaths is it.

    i really dont know how it would play out - worst case would be in my mind , Israel try take action on its own , Iran uses its long range missiles either conventional or other , this will draw the US into it , say bye bye to the nuke facility , just what Israel wants

    a million deaths maybe not near that - but big death toll none the less
    all depends how long it would rumble on and who joins in

    as i have said my view and others are purely speculative - we wont know till it happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Pottler wrote: »
    Soo, ye're saying they have weapons of mass destruction??? I've heard that phrase before, somwhere, can't quite remember...

    Most of the world's intelligence agencies thought Sadam Hussain had them because the Americans gave them to him in the 80's.

    He used them on the Kurds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    Most of the world's intelligence agencies thought Sadam Hussain had them because the Americans gave them to him in the 80's.

    He used them on the Kurds.


    If there was evidence that he used them on the kurds, then why did they
    still think he had them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    0066ad wrote: »
    If there was evidence that he used them on the kurds, then why did they
    still think he had them?

    maybe they thought he did not use them all - maybe the yanks gave him loads
    dont forget he was fighting iran at the time

    but me, i think they knew he had **** all - they just wanted him gone
    scarily like Iran

    would not surprise me if America is still sore over the shah of persia/Iran getting overthrown after they spent ages getting him installed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Originally Posted by 0066ad View Post
    If there was evidence that he used them on the kurds, then why did they
    still think he had them?



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    Most of the world's intelligence agencies thought Sadam Hussain had them because the Americans gave them to him in the 80's.

    He used them on the Kurds.
    Tony, I thought I asked you to stop telling porkies. You are disgracing the Blair name.:D NO-ONE thought he had them, IT WAS BULL! Good, old fashioned bull. It gets spread about every now and then for various reasons.


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