Man beats woman. In shock.

Son Of A Vidic · 09-09-2012 11:28AM

event wrote: »

what would you have had the guards do?

Be professional maybe?

If they were ripping the píss as the OP claimed, then maybe if they acted with some professionalism and treated witnesses at the scene with a bit of courtesy and respect. That would be a nice start, because it's the least we should expect from our taxes that pay their wages after all.

holystungun9 · 09-09-2012 11:44AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No real man physicaly abuses a woman. I witnessed a vicious attack outside of Supermacs in Roscrea one night, the thug in question only ceased his savagery when our group intervened. The piece of dirt never encountered the law and the woman in question is still with him. The mind boogles.

Scumbags get the chicks, nothing new.

Ficheall · 09-09-2012 11:53AM

I'm presuming the OP is female, yes? Otherwise I presume they would have intervened themselves...?

Madam_X · 09-09-2012 11:58AM

Ficheall wrote: »

I'm presuming the OP is female, yes? Otherwise I presume they would have intervened themselves...?

And get battered themselves? Nothing wrong with protecting yourself. What if they're a lot bigger? What if the OP isn't a fighter? People *say* here they'd intervene but would they actually?

Duggys Housemate · 09-09-2012 11:59AM

I probably wouldn't intervene. This was probably a domestic, even if it seemed a random assault. Intervene in those cases and the woman attacks you.

Bannasidhe · 09-09-2012 12:00PM

I know two people who were assaulted but were told by the Gardaí that would have to deal with the matter themselves through the civil courts. Essentially they were told to sue.

One is a woman in her 30s, the other is my son. Son was attacked in a nightclub by an ex boyfriend of his (son's) ex-girlfriend. The whole thing was caught on CCTV, several people (including bouncers) witnessed it and all were willing to give statements- including the ex-girlfriend. The manager of the club called the Guards but they let the guy off with a warning. Son ended up in hospital and when he went to the Guards wanting to press charges he was told he would have to take it up via the civil courts.

That is exactly the same story they told the woman I know who was assaulted. Now she had no witnesses - but son had CCTV footage showing this guy just went up to him and started punching him, he had witness statements from bouncers and the club manager plus various people who saw what happened. It was an unprovoked attack.

How is this a civil matter? Surely assault is criminal and it is up to the Gardaí to deal with criminal matters???

Ken. · 09-09-2012 12:01PM

Is there a statute of limitations on assault in Ireland. If so how many years is it.

Madam_X · 09-09-2012 12:05PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I probably wouldn't intervene. This was probably a domestic, even if it seemed a random assault. Intervene in those cases and the woman attacks you.

Maybe yeh. Anyone intervening is highly admirable in my book though, but it's a huge risk.

Although I think a group doing so could be safer, but an individual - would need a lot of balls.

Ficheall · 09-09-2012 12:07PM

Madam_X wrote: »

And get battered themselves? Nothing wrong with protecting yourself. What if they're a lot bigger? What if the OP isn't a fighter? People *say* here they'd intervene but would they actually?

I've no issue with that - I probably wouldn't have the nerve to intervene either. I wouldn't be so quick to criticise the other guys who "just walked on by" though. Unless they were in a group, perhaps, though that's not how I read it initially, and even then the OP could have called their attention to it.

Madam_X · 09-09-2012 12:10PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

And this is why I fully support the guy a few weeks ago who threw a scumbag over a wall after being subjected to his repeated attempts to humiliate him. Realising he was getting nowhere, the scumbag then urinated on the man's shoes, whereupon this man snapped, grabbed the scumbag up and threw him over a wall. It wasn't the man's intention to leave the scumbag brain damaged, but at least he'll never be in a position to subject anyone else to his scumbag behaviour!

Nah he could have just punched him if he felt the situation called for force. Throwing him over a wall was way ott.

Ficheall · 09-09-2012 12:14PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Nah he could have just punched him if he felt the situation called for force.

You're right, the alleged scumbag would probably have just left him alone then and not bothered him again.

say_who_now? · 09-09-2012 12:20PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Nah he could have just punched him if he felt the situation called for force. Throwing him over a wall was way ott.

I think he just snapped though when the adrenalin kicked in so to speak, I think if he had foreseen through that his actions would leave the guy brain damaged, he wouldn't have done it. We've all said or thought "I'll kill so and so" at some stage, without actually ever intending to do it for real, because our rationale would have stopped us.

fasttalkerchat · 09-09-2012 12:27PM

In a domestic violence case they can make an arrest against the wishes of the victim.

RossyG · 09-09-2012 12:28PM

Dockington wrote: »

I saw a man dragging a woman down the street about 12 yrs ago, she was screaming leave me alone nd stuff. I intervened and he tried to attack me, im a big guy and put him on his arse. The gardai arrived that very minute and she starts screaming that i attacked her fella.

I've heard similar stories.

I like to think that if some innocent passer-by (male or female) is started on by a scumbag then I'd intervene. I'd steer clear of 'domestics', though.

fasttalkerchat · 09-09-2012 12:30PM

Dockington wrote: »

It is a sad state of affairs when a group of men wont stop a woman from getting attacked. Im not claiming this is the case here but i know many would be afraid of legal consequences of intervening and having charges pressed against them. I saw a man dragging a woman down the street about 12 yrs ago, she was screaming leave me alone nd stuff. I intervened and he tried to attack me, im a big guy and put him on his arse. The gardai arrived that very minute and she starts screaming that i attacked her fella. Lucky for me they had been coming up the street behind me and saw the whole incident. They sent me on my way nd dealt with the lovely couple. Would intervene again in such a situstion but id be very wary and i kno many other men who are too.

Heard about something similar happening one night outside a pub. Luckily the bouncers saw what happened and took the man into the pub until the police left him alone. He was going to be arrested.

RaRaRasputin · 09-09-2012 01:12PM

I don't get why people would stay with abusive partners (if the girl in question was with the guy who beat her). I just don't get it and can't help but thinking "own fault" for staying with them.
You can get help and move away/country if this help isnt enough

cruiser178 · 09-09-2012 01:30PM

suplad wrote: »

The title is supposed to attract attention.

I was waiting for a taxi after a night out, I did notice a very agitated man standing near me. All of a sudden I see him leap towards a women walking past him. He punched her knocking her to the ground, he pulled her to her feet by her head and continued to punch her in the face about 5 times knocking her onto a wall. He continued to punch her using both hands about 10 times. The noise actually echoed through a nearby car park.

5 men walked past and did not try to stop the attack. I called the gards strait away. As I walked towards him to intervene, a garda van pulled up and arrested a man for something else which I do not know. I thought the van came to arrest the woman beater. I told the gards in the van of what just happened. They had no interest at all and told me to call the station and they will send out someone is 5-10 minutes. When the garda car arrived about 10 minutes later (after about 2 minutes of circulating the scene) they said there is nothing they can do unless the victim talks to them and wants to press charges. They made no effort to search for the suspect even thought 3 people gave detailed descriptions. The two gards in the car had a great laugh ripping the piss out of the whole situation and saying that they get 10 phone calls a night about situations like this, and that they have bigger problems to worry about.

I met some other witness' that told me it was better to stay out of it than get involved with something that was not their business

It makes my blood boil. Does anybody else find this shocking?

Im confused, are we garda bashing or women beater bashing?

Either way im grabin me pitch fork.

Madam_X · 09-09-2012 01:36PM

It's very simple really: they still love them and cling to the hope that they'll go back to being as lovely as when they first met them. Plus, they are so worn down and lacking in confidence that they don't reckon they deserve any better, so they become dependent on their abuser. Also there can be those cases of blackmail for leaving. "I'll kill you/myself if you leave me" etc.
On the outside looking in, it looks ridiculous, but if you're in the situation, it makes sense. Leaving an abusive relationship requires a huge amount of courage. It most certainly is not the abused party's fault.

say_who_now? · 09-09-2012 01:39PM

Madam_X wrote: »

It's very simple really: they still love them and cling to the hope that they'll go back to being as lovely as when they first met them. Plus, they are so worn down and lacking in confidence that they don't reckon they deserve any better, so they become dependent on their abuser. Also there can be those cases of blackmail for leaving. "I'll kill you/myself if you leave me" etc.
On the outside looking in, it looks ridiculous, but if you're in the situation, it makes sense. Leaving an abusive relationship requires a huge amount of courage. It most certainly is not the abused party's fault.

Summed it up in an easily understandable nutshell!

dodderangler · 09-09-2012 01:41PM

suplad wrote: »

The title is supposed to attract attention.

I was waiting for a taxi after a night out, I did notice a very agitated man standing near me. All of a sudden I see him leap towards a women walking past him. He punched her knocking her to the ground, he pulled her to her feet by her head and continued to punch her in the face about 5 times knocking her onto a wall. He continued to punch her using both hands about 10 times. The noise actually echoed through a nearby car park.

5 men walked past and did not try to stop the attack. I called the gards strait away. As I walked towards him to intervene, a garda van pulled up and arrested a man for something else which I do not know. I thought the van came to arrest the woman beater. I told the gards in the van of what just happened. They had no interest at all and told me to call the station and they will send out someone is 5-10 minutes. When the garda car arrived about 10 minutes later (after about 2 minutes of circulating the scene) they said there is nothing they can do unless the victim talks to them and wants to press charges. They made no effort to search for the suspect even thought 3 people gave detailed descriptions. The two gards in the car had a great laugh ripping the piss out of the whole situation and saying that they get 10 phone calls a night about situations like this, and that they have bigger problems to worry about.

I met some other witness' that told me it was better to stay out of it than get involved with something that was not their business

It makes my blood boil. Does anybody else find this shocking?

So you sat there watchin some bloke hit a woman a couple of times and then gave out bout 5 lads that walked past?
Seriously mate order a set of balls and don't come on this with **** like that
You deserve a smack for watchin that like a coward
Wonder if it was a child would you have done something?! Prob not

You make my blood boil fcukin fairy

midlandsmissus · 09-09-2012 01:49PM

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

I don't get why people would stay with abusive partners (if the girl in question was with the guy who beat her). I just don't get it and can't help but thinking "own fault" for staying with them.
You can get help and move away/country if this help isnt enough

There's a lot of psychological damage. Their mind is worn down to thinking it's their own fault.

Napper Hawkins · 09-09-2012 02:03PM

dodderangler wrote: »

So you sat there watchin some bloke hit a woman a couple of times and then gave out bout 5 lads that walked past?
Seriously mate order a set of balls and don't come on this with **** like that
You deserve a smack for watchin that like a coward
Wonder if it was a child would you have done something?! Prob not

You make my blood boil fcukin fairy

That'll go down well I'm sure.

ANXIOUS · 09-09-2012 02:16PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

And this is why I fully support the guy a few weeks ago who threw a scumbag over a wall after being subjected to his repeated attempts to humiliate him. Realising he was getting nowhere, the scumbag then urinated on the man's shoes, whereupon this man snapped, grabbed the scumbag up and threw him over a wall. It wasn't the man's intention to leave the scumbag brain damaged, but at least he'll never be in a position to subject anyone else to his scumbag behaviour!

Link ?

Madam_X · 09-09-2012 02:20PM

I love the "probably not" assumption without an answer when asking whether they'd have intervened if it were a child, as if they have a clue what they'd do. Very easy to say you'd be a big tough nut from your keyboard, but not convincing.

Dodderangler, if a guy was way bigger than you/a really nasty fighter and dangerous looking enough to possibly possess a weapon, you might be able to tackle him, but others shouldn't be verbally abused for not doing so.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 09-09-2012 02:28PM

Zillah wrote: »

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

If she won't press charges then there's nothing you can do.

There is no such thing as "pressing charges" in this country; total myth perpetuated by TV. The justice system decides if a prosecution should go ahead or not, regardless of what the victim says.

If she is uncooperative and won't make a statement, that would cause difficulties, but that's very different to the American concept of pressing charges.

If the victim makes a statement but later retracts it then a prosecution can go ahead and she is treated as a hostile witness.

Without a statement of complaint there is NO investigation and the guards have absolutely no power to go ahead with a prosecution. A statement of complaint is absolutely required before they can act.

The term pressing charges, while an American term, is correct The girl has to make a complaint before the guards can 'press charges' against the culprit.

Galwayguy35 · 09-09-2012 02:58PM

I was in a nightclub about 10 years ago and was buying a few drinks for myself and 2 of my friends at the counter, then all of a sudden this girl grabbed 2 of the drinks I had just bought and went to make off with them.

I went after her and grabbed the drinks off her and went back to the counter to pay for what I got when these 2 guys came along and accused me of taking the girls drinks. There is a bit of pushing and shoving as I knew I did nothing wrong so I wasn't prepared to back down.

Sometimes a situation isn't what it seems and unless someone sees the whole incident it's ofton better not to get involved. I've seen it a few times where drunk women seem to think they have free reign to slap men across the face just because they think they can.

Neither gender has the right to hit the other IMO.

say_who_now? · 09-09-2012 05:06PM

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Link ?

The story on breakingnews (mobile site link)-

http://m.brne.ws/ireland/trinity-lecturer-avoids-jail-for-throwing-man-down-15ft-drop-554535.html

and discussed here on boards (touch site link)-

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056663754?page=1

girlonfire · 09-09-2012 05:16PM

This is a horrible situation. It makes me queasy thinking about it. As a kid, I once saw a man beating the s*** out of a woman outside of a pub. Nobody did a thing to help her. It's disturbing.
My own father used to beat the s*** out of my mother regularly. Makes me sick thinking about it. Thankfully, she got out. It took a long time for her to take that step though.
I'll never understand these sick fcukers:mad:

fasttalkerchat · 09-09-2012 05:28PM

dodderangler wrote: »

So you sat there watchin some bloke hit a woman a couple of times and then gave out bout 5 lads that walked past?
Seriously mate order a set of balls and don't come on this with **** like that
You deserve a smack for watchin that like a coward
Wonder if it was a child would you have done something?! Prob not

You make my blood boil fcukin fairy

I assumed the poster was female... either way no need to call him a "fairy". Plenty of gay lads can stand up for themselves.

dirtyden · 09-09-2012 06:00PM

There must be at least 3 of these threads on here every week. And they are only ever on here, never reported in the press for some reason.

If the woman here did not charge the guy what are they supposed to do! If the victim will not report or testify for whatever reason it makes things difficult. The assault as described by the OP it is hard to believe she walked away was not quite seriously injured? If that was the case and emergency services were called I would imagine it would be investigated but if the victim gets up and walks away as if nothing happened and does not complain I cannot see how the guy can be charged, the case would go nowhere.

Man beats woman. In shock.

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