RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

billybudd · 08-09-2012 12:23PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I'm surprised at the comments here tbh, everyone from that area thought he was a hero for taking drugs off the streets. Maybe people here know something I don't but I would say fair play on that point alone.
Is it because people are pro-drugs or anti-republican?

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Your post has mental issues.

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 12:25PM

realies wrote: »

How by his actions has he taken any drugs of the streets ?? Don't see or hear of any drop in consumption or the supply of drugs.

Since the creation of An Garda Síochána drugs consumption has increased exponentially...
I think that any attempt to target drug dealers is good for the community and that he was trying to do good for his area.

Donaghmedegirl · 08-09-2012 12:31PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

realies wrote: »

How by his actions has he taken any drugs of the streets ?? Don't see or hear of any drop in consumption or the supply of drugs.

Since the creation of An Garda Síochána drugs consumption has increased exponentially...
I think that any attempt to target drug dealers is good for the community and that he was trying to do good for his area.

He lined his own pockets with the money he hardly built playgrounds and community centers with .he didn't stop it he supposedly taxed them to allow them to sell in our area if they didn't pay they got beat up or killed as Alan has been a suspect in at least 3 murders of drug dealer it was allll about the money

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 12:48PM

fast talker chat wrote: »

Since the creation of An Garda Síochána drugs consumption has increased exponentially...
I think that any attempt to target drug dealers is good for the community and that he was trying to do good for his area.

Hope your not blaming the garda for drug consumption increase as I put it down to living in a western style democracy with its warts and all

;)

Do you honestly think by targeting drug dealers with violence is helping the problem go away,We have been down this road before with the provos in the 70,s & 80,s, It did nothing to eradicate the drug problem what so ever then nor will it do so now.

Criminals/drug dealers today haven't got the fear factor in them like the older generation of criminals had of the Provisional IRA,The people who killed AR have to expect a backlash and maybe are well prepared for one ? Its coming full circle now with the crims having as much firepower and probably a lot more money than any Dissentent organisation,The only outcome of this will be people getting murdered and most likely innocent ones at that.

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 01:06PM

realies wrote: »

Hope your not blaming the garda for drug consumption increase as I put it down to living in a western style democracy with its warts and all ;)

Do you honestly think by targeting drug dealers with violence is helping the problem go away,We have been down this road before with the provos in the 70,s & 80,s, It did nothing to eradicate the drug problem what so ever then nor will it do so now.

Criminals/drug dealers today haven't got the fear factor in them like the older generation of criminals had of the Provisional IRA,The people who killed AR have to expect a backlash and maybe are well prepared for one ? Its coming full circle now with the crims having as much firepower and probably a lot more money than any Dissentent organisation,The only outcome of this will be people getting murdered and most likely innocent ones at that.

My point about the Garda is that statistics do not tell the full story when it comes to combating drugs.
Republicans and other direct action groups had some success dealing with hard drugs in the north and in areas like Tallaght however they are never going to be able to solve the problem totally, neither are the courts and garda. I know of several dealers who were put out of town, resulting in dealers and addicts travelling 15 miles to get their stuff - that is a significant impact.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 01:20PM

fast talker chat wrote: »

My point about the Garda is that statistics do not tell the full story when it comes to combating drugs.
Republicans and other direct action groups had some success dealing with hard drugs in the north and in areas like Tallaght however they are never going to be able to solve the problem totally, neither are the courts and garda. I know of several dealers who were put out of town, resulting in dealers and addicts travelling 15 miles to get their stuff - that is a significant impact.

Sorry I was around when the Concerned parents were at its height in the 80,s ,All they/we did in hindsight was move the problem from one area to another and in hindsight again,actually helped create ghetto type areas that we have today,btw by putting dealers out of town never stopped drugs it just created new drug dealers.Anyway were going of topic here,The point is that by shooting dead drug dealers will not make them go away and will only create a tit for tat situation which is what happened to AR.imo.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-09-2012 01:42PM

I too remember CPAD in the mid to late '80s and it was the action of an exasperated community. The Guards appeared to spend more time confronting the CPAD people than the dealers which lost them support in the areas were Heroin was a real problem.

I do not know what is going on in Domaghmede area with regard to Alan Ryan and if reports that he was extorting money from the drug dealers to allow them to continue pushing and he lined his pockets well that is just wrong. However, I cannot see that it is right that the drug dealers took him out and people are applauding it.

Fenian Army · 08-09-2012 01:42PM

realies wrote: »

Hope your not blaming the garda for drug consumption increase as I put it down to living in a western style democracy with its warts and all ;)

Do you honestly think by targeting drug dealers with violence is helping the problem go away,We have been down this road before with the provos in the 70,s & 80,s, It did nothing to eradicate the drug problem what so ever then nor will it do so now.

Criminals/drug dealers today haven't got the fear factor in them like the older generation of criminals had of the Provisional IRA,The people who killed AR have to expect a backlash and maybe are well prepared for one ? Its coming full circle now with the crims having as much firepower and probably a lot more money than any Dissentent organisation,The only outcome of this will be people getting murdered and most likely innocent ones at that.

The IRA were fantastically effective in keeping heroin out of nationalist areas.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 01:54PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

The IRA were fantastically effective in keeping heroin out of nationalist areas.

Not in Dublin and as Nationalist areas at that time where more or less a war zone at that time,and the control BA/PIRA had on everybody and there movements it made it a very restrictive place.There is heroin in nationalist areas now is there not ?

gosuckonalemon · 08-09-2012 02:33PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I'm surprised at the comments here tbh, everyone from that area thought he was a hero for taking drugs off the streets. Maybe people here know something I don't but I would say fair play on that point alone.
Is it because people are pro-drugs or anti-republican?

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This is the problem, all the knackers that think he took drugs off the streets are deluded. All he did was control where the drugs were sold and took a slice of the drug dealers profits.

So, for example, he wouldn't allow drugs be sold openly in a pub somewhere in Donaghmeade. It just meant the dealers dealt 5km away, with the drugs making there way back there anyway.

He played off the stupidity of the locals who thought he was doing something decent.

If drug dealers stopped dealing where else would he get a substantial % of his extortion income.

Gumbo · 08-09-2012 03:12PM

Check Points in and out of Finglas Village at present too.
The Wake is in the Bottom Of The Hill.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 03:14PM

keire wrote: »

Check Points in and out of Finglas Village at present too.
The Wake is in the Bottom Of The Hill.

Wonder why there and not over Donaghmede way ? Unless they own that pub ?

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 03:24PM

realies wrote: »

Not in Dublin and as Nationalist areas at that time where more or less a war zone at that time,and the control BA/PIRA had on everybody and there movements it made it a very restrictive place.There is heroin in nationalist areas now is there not ?

The dissidents don't have the respect or strength of the provos so drugs have creeped into nationalist areas again. Nationalist areas are much more drug free than loyalist or neutral areas thanks to people like Alan and whatever about his alleged money making activities we have people like him to thank for that.

nudger · 08-09-2012 03:27PM

There was a fundraiser held in the pub a while back for the free Marian Price campaign.

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 03:29PM

Omg, go to the 32 country sovereignty movement website - there's a big memorial on it. Who could support this scum. Whoever tries to deny that they're the political wing of the RIRA is an idiot.

I have sympathy his family and the fact that they had to put up with him but you have to think about all the lives and families this guy has effected/ruined too.

Red About Town · 08-09-2012 03:31PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Omg, go to the 32 country sovereignty movement website - there's a big memorial on it. Who could support this scum. Whoever tries to deny that they're the political wing of the RIRA is an idiot.

I don't think anyone does to be honest. They share the same political views as the Reals and are part of the same 'Republican Movement'. Much in the same way, Sinn Fein were part of the same movement as the Provos.

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 03:39PM

To be honest, I think it's great that drug dealer scum and IRA scum are killing each other off. In the long run, it'll free up prison space and take a load off the Gardaí constantly trying to pursue these low lives. Something interesting to watch on the news too.

*Eats popcorn*

esf2012 · 08-09-2012 03:42PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

He was shot because he didnt take crap from drug dealers, he ruffled a few feathers, He was well loved in republican circles and to take such glee from his death is actually horrible. The papers posting pictures of him lying on the road like that is equally horrible. His family have to wake up this morning and deal with the death of their son/ brother. I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

His family are every bit as bad as him, it was his mother that got him and his brothers into this **** and it will be Vinny that takes over as leader now until a bullet finishes him.

He WAS a drug dealer himself sure wasn't the bloody boozy they used as a den found loaded with drugs? Yes, yes it was.

He was also involved directly or indirectly in at least two murders not too mention all the other ****e that he was into that didn't make the papers.

and yes, I did know him but I'm no criminal wrapped in a flag pretending so wont try and defend him, nor is this a court of law so I can state what I and the dog on the street always knew.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/real-ira-man-executed-for-informing-about-drugs-2080659.html

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php?aid=11292

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php?aid=5669

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dublin-pub-owned-by-dad-of-celtic-striker-gutted-in-blaze-2837151.html

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/celtic-stars-father-facing-additional-assault-drugs-and-firearms-charges-519899.html

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 03:45PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

The dissidents don't have the respect or strength of the provos so drugs have creeped into nationalist areas again. Nationalist areas are much more drug free than loyalist or neutral areas thanks to people like Alan and whatever about his alleged money making activities we have people like him to thank for that.

lol.

The only way gangland violence centered around drug dealing is going to be cured is when the government makes all drug legal, then these low lives will be put out of business. If anything the RIRA were only making the situation worse - violence begets violence.

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 04:06PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

lol.

The only way gangland violence centered around drug dealing is going to be cured is when the government makes all drug legal, then these low lives will be put out of business. If anything the RIRA were only making the situation worse - violence begets violence.

Agree with you to some extent but if you want drugs out of your area you need to use direct action like Alan did. Unfortunately you make yourself a target.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 04:19PM

fast talker chat wrote: »

Agree with you to some extent but if you want drugs out of your area you need to use direct action like Alan did. Unfortunately you make yourself a target.

Can you show me where direct action has put drugs out of an area for good or even where it has helped in that direction ? one or any area will do.

Do you think Derry or Belfast or even border areas are free from Drug dealers ? As i have said before direct killings will only bring direct killings.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-09-2012 04:20PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

To be honest, I think it's great that drug dealer scum and IRA scum are killing each other off

*Eats popcorn*

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

lol.

making the situation worse - violence begets violence.

It is great that violence begets violence?

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 04:23PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

It is great that violence begets violence?

*head explodes*

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 04:30PM

realies wrote: »

Can you show me where direct action has put drugs out of an area for good or even where it has helped in that direction ? one or any area will do.

Do you think Derry or Belfast or even border areas are free from Drug dealers ? As i have said before direct killings will only bring direct killings.

In the 80s when Edinburgh was ravaged by heroin, Belfast was relatively clean (in Nationalist areas at least) despite even worse economic and social conditions.
There is an element of out of sight, out of mind but I feel that direct action has many pros and I support anyone who does what they can to keep heroin of the streets.
While I recognise their lack of effectiveness, I'm shocked at the negative opinions towards anti-drugs movements here.

EDIT to answer your other question: It is possible to get any drug you want in Belfast or derry and most drugs within a half hour drive of anywhere in the North so I'm under no illusions that RAAD or the dissidents have it all under control!

rubadubduba · 08-09-2012 04:30PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Agree with you to some extent but if you want drugs out of your area you need to use direct action like Alan did. Unfortunately you make yourself a target.

listen i only live up the road from where this happend,he did'nt want drugs out of the area, he was part of it for his own gains. there was drugs here long before he arrived and there will be long after he is forgoten about and i can tell you one thing there is bigger teapots than him in the area.
you think these people just poped him without doing there homework.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 04:32PM

rubadubduba wrote: »

listen i only live up the road from where this happend,he did'nt want drugs out of the area, he was part of it for his own gains. there was drugs here long before he arrived and there will be long after he is forgoten about and i can tell you one thing there is bigger teapots than him in the area.
you think these people just poped him without doing there homework.

100%

fasttalkerchat · 08-09-2012 04:36PM

rubadubduba wrote: »

listen i only live up the road from where this happend,he did'nt want drugs out of the area, he was part of it for his own gains.

So he was just in it to pocket extortion money? Sad to hear this if its true.
Personally I think there should be no pay-offs or money taken from the dealers until they're gone for good.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 04:42PM

fast talker chat wrote: »

In the 80s when Edinburgh was ravaged by heroin, Belfast was relatively clean (in Nationalist areas at least) despite even worse economic and social conditions.
There is an element of out of sight, out of mind but I feel that direct action has many pros and I support anyone who does what they can to keep heroin of the streets.
While I recognise their lack of effectiveness, I'm shocked at the negative opinions towards anti-drugs movements here.

EDIT to answer your other question: It is possible to get any drug you want in Belfast or derry and most drugs within a half hour drive of anywhere in the North so I'm under no illusions that RAAD or the dissidents have it all under control!

Direct action is against drug dealers, AR didn't care less what the dealers where selling, may it be grass/hash/E,s... you keep mentioning heroin it doesn't matter what you are selling, If your making money illegally and the RIRA know about it they will try & tax you.

Lets clarify something here I am in no way condoning drug dealing but as a person involved with youths/gangs in the Ballyfermot/Clondalkin areas i see and hear everyday what is going down,And there are better ways of controlling the drug culture than shooting people, as I have said earlier it has gone full circle and the gangs nowadays are more than capable than before to kill back.Its all going to end in tears and needs to stop now.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 04:45PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

So he was just in it to pocket extortion money? Sad to hear this if its true.
Personally I think there should be no pay-offs or money taken from the dealers until they're gone for good.

fasttalkerchat the dealers will never be gone for good unless the huge profits they make is taking out of the drugs market,The war on drugs was lost years ago.I know you mean well but it wont happen the way you wish...If only.

mattjack · 08-09-2012 04:46PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

In the 80s when Edinburgh was ravaged by heroin, Belfast was relatively clean (in Nationalist areas at least) despite even worse economic and social conditions.
There is an element of out of sight, out of mind but I feel that direct action has many pros and I support anyone who does what they can to keep heroin of the streets.
While I recognise their lack of effectiveness, I'm shocked at the negative opinions towards anti-drugs movements here.

Its also entirely possible that higher levels of military and police activity on the streets could have led to limited drug activity in society.

There is a theory going around that one of the benefits 'Troubles' was the reduction or indeed the curtailing altogether of any substantial drugs market in Belfast.

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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