The RA

Red About Town · 08-09-2012 01:08AM

OnTheCounter wrote: »

what was the political objective of omagh? That was the RIRA, right?

An economic target and to destabilise the peace process.

Red About Town · 08-09-2012 01:12AM

OnTheCounter wrote: »

What are all the current republican groups?

This is getting worse than the yanks... Fbi, cia, dia, abc...

what are the different views held by these groups?

what was the political objective of omagh? That was the RIRA, right?

Armed groups you have the IRA (made up of Reals, RAAD and OnH), another ONH, CIRA and a breakaway CIRA group sometimes known as Real CIRA.

Political groups are Sinn Fein, Republican Sinn Fein, 32CSM, Real Sinn Fein, IRSP and Eirigi.

I may have left some out as well.

Colmustard · 08-09-2012 01:13AM

I hate them. They disgust me and I wish they would just go away.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-09-2012 01:18AM

The name is only a guise to fall under in a desperate attempt to provide justification for their acts. These guys are losers, degenerates who never sought a better life, their extortion attempts in the South reveal how vacant they are.

Even in other criminal enterprises they flounder, these boys aren't capable of running an international drug ring which stays undetected. For the most part we're talking about street monkeys.

Pride Fighter · 08-09-2012 01:29AM

Red About Town wrote: »

Armed groups you have the IRA (made up of Reals, RAAD and OnH), another ONH, CIRA and a breakaway CIRA group sometimes known as Real CIRA.

Political groups are Sinn Fein, Republican Sinn Fein, 32CSM, Real Sinn Fein, IRSP and Eirigi.

I may have left some out as well.

Think you got all of them bar the INLA.

Red About Town · 08-09-2012 01:36AM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Think you got all of them bar the INLA.

As they have decommissioned I considered them to have 'left the stage' and didn't bother including them.

Hannibal · 08-09-2012 01:37AM

Red About Town wrote: »

Armed groups you have the IRA (made up of Reals, RAAD and OnH), another ONH, CIRA and a breakaway CIRA group sometimes known as Real CIRA.

Political groups are Sinn Fein, Republican Sinn Fein, 32CSM, Real Sinn Fein, IRSP and Eirigi.

I may have left some out as well.

Every other group you mentioned despise Sinn Féin

policarp · 08-09-2012 01:40AM

Fiana Fail politicians fighting to get back onto the gravy train with Gerry and Martin. . .The Rragh. . .

KKkitty · 08-09-2012 01:47AM

I hate them with a passion. Doesn't matter what they were fighting for because what they did ripped families apart. Tough men hiding behind guns and bombs to prove a point They were rebels without a cause from the word go. They shouldn't have done what they did but of course they thought whatever they did no matter how bad it was was the right thing to do. Without their meaningless intervention The North could well have been handed back to Irish rule but thanks to the RA we'll never know.

Seaneh · 08-09-2012 02:08AM

KKkitty wrote: »

I hate them with a passion. Doesn't matter what they were fighting for because what they did ripped families apart. Tough men hiding behind guns and bombs to prove a point They were rebels without a cause from the word go. They shouldn't have done what they did but of course they thought whatever they did no matter how bad it was was the right thing to do. Without their meaningless intervention The North could well have been handed back to Irish rule but thanks to the RA we'll never know.

Right, so what should the Irish citizens of the 6 counties done during the 50/60/70 and 80's? When government policies made them second class citizens, when apartheid was being practised in all but name? when civil rights marches were being met with shootings and beatings?
Sit there and take it?
You can huff and puff and spout all the anty ra ****e you want but the reality is that without an armed resistance/retaliation to the policies and "law enforcement" of the day, Irish men and women in the 6 counties would have been treated as second class citizens for a lot longer.
The only time the British establishment took notice of the civil rights movement in the north was when it gained an army.

Yeah a lot of horrible things happened and they should be condemned, but the sad fact is that it took violence before the British government of the day actually treated Irishmen and women of the north like human beings.

Seaneh · 08-09-2012 02:10AM

KKkitty wrote: »

Without their meaningless intervention The North could well have been handed back to Irish rule but thanks to the RA we'll never know.

What a pile of absolute drivel.

Einhard · 08-09-2012 02:12AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Right, so what should the Irish citizens of the 6 counties done during the 50/60/70 and 80's? When government policies made them second class citizens, when apartheid was being practised in all but name? when civil rights marches were being met with shootings and beatings?
Sit there and take it?
You can huff and puff and spout all the anty ra ****e you want but the reality is that without an armed resistance/retaliation to the policies and "law enforcement" of the day, Irish men and women in the 6 counties would have been treated as second class citizens for a lot longer.

The thing is, they could have resisted the British government without blowing men, women, and children to bloody pieces.

Seaneh · 08-09-2012 02:13AM

Einhard wrote: »

The thing is, they could have resisted the British government without blowing men, women, and children to bloody pieces.

That would fall under the "Yeah a lot of horrible things happened and they should be condemned" section, obviously.

Einhard · 08-09-2012 02:15AM

Seaneh wrote: »

That would fall under the "Yeah a lot of horrible things happened and they should be condemned" section, obviously.

That's fair enough. Both the Brits and the IRA have innocent blood on their hands.

Seaneh · 08-09-2012 02:17AM

Einhard wrote: »

That's fair enough. Both the Brits and the IRA have innocent blood on their hands.

Definitely.

I'm not a ra head, I don't particularly like Sein Feinn (or any other Irish party tbh) but the sad truth is that it took violence for progress to be made.

Einhard · 08-09-2012 02:24AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Definitely.

I'm not a ra head, I don't particularly like Sein Feinn (or any other Irish party tbh) but the sad truth is that it took violence for progress to be made.

I really dislike the IRA and SF (though SF now for what I think is their extreme populism...they're basically the new FF, but anyhoo). However, I can understand why violence was deemed necessary in the North in the late 60s and 70s. I could understand an armed campaign that targeted security forces. I can't though, understand or condone a campaign in which innocent civilians were deliberately targeted.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-09-2012 02:36AM

Einhard wrote: »

I really dislike the IRA and SF (though SF now for what I think is their extreme populism...they're basically the new FF, but anyhoo). However, I can understand why violence was deemed necessary in the North in the late 60s and 70s. I could understand an armed campaign that targeted security forces. I can't though, understand or condone a campaign in which innocent civilians were deliberately targeted.

I've often pondered that myself. Like you I agree that they had a right to take arms when civil rights were breached in NI. The bombing campaign on Britain's mainland puzzled me, one can only presume that they wanted to assert and highlight their cause by physically attacking the enemy. It was a war in their eyes, misinterpreted collateral damage probably entered the mind frame.

Einhard · 08-09-2012 02:47AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It was a war in their eyes, misinterpreted collateral damage probably entered the mind frame.

I could even understand collateral damage where the damage was well and truly collateral. Say, for example, if a security checkpoint was attacked and a passerby killed. I might not agree with it necessarily, but I could understand that, and accept an argument on that score.

However, collateral damage does not include children blown up by bombs left on busy shopping streets; it doesn't involve men shot dead as they travelled home from work for the crime simply of being Protsetant; it doesn't massacring civilians in pubs simply because soldiers also happened to drink there. That's not collateral damage in my estimation.

Chuck Stone · 08-09-2012 02:49AM

KKkitty wrote: »

The North could well have been handed back to Irish rule but thanks to the RA we'll never know.

Lol.

Seaneh wrote: »

I'm not a ra head, I don't particularly like Sein Feinn (or any other Irish party tbh) but the sad truth is that it took violence for progress to be made.

Indeed. If the civil rights movement had been respected and people's struggle for equal civil and political rights (not a UI) had been given the due regard that any normal democracy would have then we might never have had the troubles.

The IRA were a fringe element before the British, on behalf of Unionists/Loyalists, started shooting 'the natives' to teach them a lesson. The natives, of course, fought back.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-09-2012 03:00AM

Einhard wrote: »

I could even understand collateral damage where the damage was well and truly collateral. Say, for example, if a security checkpoint was attacked and a passerby killed. I might not agree with it necessarily, but I could understand that, and accept an argument on that score.

However, collateral damage does not include children blown up by bombs left on busy shopping streets; it doesn't involve men shot dead as they travelled home from work for the crime simply of being Protsetant; it doesn't massacring civilians in pubs simply because soldiers also happened to drink there. That's not collateral damage in my estimation.

That's where they changed the rule, misinterpreted Collateral. Britain didn't see themselves at war, The IRA did and bombed legitimate targets implementing in their own eyes a legal use of force and knowing full well of the potential civilian casualties. Similar to the tactics the USA have exercised in their recent terrorist campaigns.

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 08-09-2012 03:13AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The IT wing of the organisation just discovered email

No, they're still trying to decipher the calculator and the mobile phone.

RubyRoss · 08-09-2012 03:43AM

The OP reads like the research questions of a lazy BA/MA. Does using online discussion as empirical data count when the user has instigated the discussion?

OnTheCounter · 08-09-2012 07:42AM

No, I am not using an after hours as a research/sounding board for any project.

When is it ok to call another user a muppet?

anyway I am looking for a discussion on modern day republican groups not whether collins was an irish hero or if civil rights marchers back in the 50s had a right to protect themselves against attack using force as those are obviously straightforward and the only people who wont agree are young people trying to be controversial or stir sh1t.

lugha · 08-09-2012 09:09AM

Seaneh wrote: »

Right, so what should the Irish citizens of the 6 counties done during the 50/60/70 and 80's? When government policies made them second class citizens, when apartheid was being practised in all but name? when civil rights marches were being met with shootings and beatings?
Sit there and take it?
You can huff and puff and spout all the anty ra ****e you want but the reality is that without an armed resistance/retaliation to the policies and "law enforcement" of the day, Irish men and women in the 6 counties would have been treated as second class citizens for a lot longer.
The only time the British establishment took notice of the civil rights movement in the north was when it gained an army.

Yeah a lot of horrible things happened and they should be condemned, but the sad fact is that it took violence before the British government of the day actually treated Irishmen and women of the north like human beings.

The problem of course is that it is all but impossible to determine that this is actually true. It is just as credible to assert that reconciliation delayed rather than hastened resolution. British politicians vowed publicly, if not always privately, that they would have no truck with physical force republicans.

The fate of Northern nationalists in the 50/60 was by no means unique. In particular, there were a lot of similarities with the lot of African-Americans (denials of voting and other rights, collusion of law enforcement officers in organisations like KKK that persecuted them etc.).

But they didn’t mount a campaign similar to the PIRA. Martin Luther King was the stand out icon of their fight, Gerry Adams will probably become the equivalent figure in the North. And IMO, African-Americans made a lot more progress a lot more quickly in combating institutionalised discrimination.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 08-09-2012 09:39AM

Theyre a shower of low intelligence cowardly retarded wan kers that have no interest in republicanism or a united Ireland. If Britian was to pull out of NI tomorrow and hand the 6 counties back to RoI they'd still continue with their criminal activity (drug importation, fuel and money laundering, theft, robbery and fraud) because it's about money and nothing else. They're no better than the crime gangs in Dublin/ limerick except they use republicanism and anti-drugs as their excuse to commit crime whereas the gangs in Dublin/limerick are simply criminals are known to all.

Molloys Clondalkin · 08-09-2012 12:56PM

Im curious to know what is the modern day makeup of the IRA/CIRA/RIRA.

What are the majority of members doing these days?

Mostly keeping a low profile until the recent murder of one of thier own blows over.

Any truth that they (mainly in the north) kneecap young hooligans as a punishment for breaking the law and a warning to other young ones?

yes the "action commitees" do that to try and keep thier communities safe from people who dont pay who commit crime.

Do they actually deal drugs themselves or just extort dealers?

Heaven forbid they have to lower themselves to dealing there like the government they will just milk what little you have left.

Whats the story with them seemingly taking over the bouncer industry?

In Dublin yes on the northside with a handful of pubs on the southside.

Whats the current relationship with Sinn Fein?

like that of two old sisters who had a row over a fence on a farmyard and wont speak until thier dying day.

If you are known to be a member of the IRA is it still a convictable offence?

Most definitly.

Any guesses on total membership numbers?

Rira between 600 - 800 Cira between 900-1200 Onh significantly lower.

Wild speculation is not only allowed but encouraged.

Ill post some wild speculation later.

Ted_YNWA · 08-09-2012 01:07PM

lads do ye not know the first rule they tell ya when you join is..

You do not talk about the RA ..

blaze1 · 08-09-2012 01:07PM

Just head round to Donaghmede today op. Ask around, there's plenty of "new' people around to ask

Spread · 08-09-2012 01:10PM

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

Im curious to know what is the modern day makeup of the IRA/CIRA/RIRA. ..................................................
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Ill post some wild speculation later.

Or why not just quote Alan Shatter. He's up ther with that other paragon of makey uppy idiocy Paul Reynolds.

Sunnyisland · 08-09-2012 01:24PM

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

lads do ye not know the first rule they tell ya when you join is..

You do not talk about the RA ..

What ever you say, say nothing

The RA

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