RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Donaghmedegirl · 06-09-2012 11:07PM

mattjack wrote: »

Donaghmedegirl wrote: »

Listen hear DARLING read the posts exactly as there wrote some people who knew Alan were not uneducated knackers they are respectable people from respectable families who had they Same political beliefs as him. Iwas just explaining to people who didn't understand why people where sticking up for him as to why they are I am no scumbag and im also highly educated I didn't have any respect for the crimes Alan committed and I'm not justifying people for sticking up for him I'm using my intelligence to explain to people like you who haven't got a clue about what goes on outside their computer and the front pages of their paper that some people who knew Alan and are sticking up for Alan genuinely don't believe him to be the cold blooded killer he was. When you write back come with a bit more intelligence on the matter read all my posts and then give your view in no way did I portray Alan as a robin hood character or justify the fact people liked him.

Most of us do understand exactly what you are saying,
I would imagine some people have difficulty accepting that there are people who believe that Alan Ryan's behaviour was appropriate, by the way he is being described as some sort of pillar in the Donaghmede community.
Its difficult to believe that you could turn to him as some of 'Mr Fix it' or that a wider group regard him as a benign influence in the community.

people are portraying Alan as a donaghmede hero thats far from the truth but there are people in the area who had called on Alan for help and he didn't know them. It is hard to believe that people would think Alan was mr fix it but to the people who knew him and the people he helped he was seen as just that .some people see the good before the bad I always say the bad always out weighs the good there always be a side to every criminal that the people around them love

Donaghmedegirl · 06-09-2012 11:10PM

Bergkamp 10 wrote: »

What I want to know is how come there wasnt as much uproar when Liam Kenny a member of the CIRA supposedly, was murdered last summer in very similar circumstances.

There is so many details involved in these things, its actually impossible to follow. Read a Sunday World Article and they will mention 20 different names and aliases all connected in some manner.

I have never heard of Liam Kenny I will read up on it to be honest every criminal that dies in these circumstances should get the front page of every news paper to themselves to show young boys what not to do with their lives

mannequinhands · 06-09-2012 11:11PM

Andy!! wrote: »

+1 on the good riddance. As long as all the scum are only killing each other, you won't find me objecting.

the problem is that innocent people get caught in the cross fire and always will

Bergkamp 10 · 06-09-2012 11:20PM

People keep mentioning how the papers are all the truth. All of it is not truth much of its is bull****. Dangerous bull****, especially that peddled by Paul Williams, his ilk and especially the Evening Herald.

I've read several articles today, and they seem to be to be linking the killers to this crime like a soccer player is linked to a transfer. I mean they get sources from criminals themselves with an agenda.

The Herald claimed last year AR was in the CIRA. Bull****, at least get it right. And look what this article claims....

Also being examined as a possible motive was a dispute, mainly between Mr Kenny's Blanchardstown associate and members of another dissident group, the Real IRA, including some living in Donaghmede.

This dispute centred over control of the "doors" at pubs and clubs in west Dublin.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/murder-victim-was-suspected-of-key-role-in-continuity-ira-2671056.html

As the famous saying goes.

Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

Donaghmedegirl · 06-09-2012 11:20PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Donaghmedegirl wrote: »

Listen hear DARLING read the posts exactly as there wrote some people who knew Alan were not uneducated knackers they are respectable people from respectable families who had they Same political beliefs as him. Iwas just explaining to people who didn't understand why people where sticking up for him as to why they are I am no scumbag and im also highly educated I didn't have any respect for the crimes Alan committed and I'm not justifying people for sticking up for him I'm using my intelligence to explain to people like you who haven't got a clue about what goes on outside their computer and the front pages of their paper that some people who knew Alan and are sticking up for Alan genuinely don't believe him to be the cold blooded killer he was. When you write back come with a bit more intelligence on the matter read all my posts and then give your view in no way did I portray Alan as a robin hood character or justify the fact people liked him.

So highly educated is Donaghmedegirl that she fails to see the difference between where and were and also the lack of full stops is quite alarming.

If this is highly educated the knacker scumbags must be in some state god love them.

Oh so highly educated people can't be dyslexic no Read up on dyslexia and how it effects young girls and boys throughout their lives and then think before you jump on a computer and correct peoples grammar when you don't know their backround oh and by the way Steve jobs CEO of apple was dyslexic and highly educated he didn't do too bad did he

SEPT 23 1989 · 06-09-2012 11:35PM

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Donaghmedegirl · 06-09-2012 11:47PM

The fact is the people like myself who live in donaghmede and knew the criminals who die on our communities streets we all wonder when's the next shooting going to be and who will it be because it's no shock to us anymore we have had a man stabbed to death 3 people shot dead and a number of attempted shootings in the last couple of years our community is a good one our area is an older area with many families living here for over 40 years these criminals are destroying the reputation of the people in our area I can bet most people living in Ireland reading the newspapers are saying what scum must live there when that's not the case for 99 % of families the 1% of vermian who we have to call our neighbours whether we like it or not don't actually cause any trouble in donaghmede they draw their enemies to it

Hannibal · 07-09-2012 01:05AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if he actually took drugs himself?

As far as I know he didn't even drink.

Red About Town wrote: »

In all fairness no one admits to being a member of the IRA, unless they want to spend some time in prison.

Even Gerry Adams will never, ever admit to it.

fast-forward to 6 minutes and see Adams discuss it, it's a wrong assumption to make that every SF politician and member were members of the IRA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oOyJxPcZA

Fenian Army · 07-09-2012 01:39AM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if he actually took drugs himself?

No, from what Ive heard he lost a family member to drugs and wouldnt take them, or even drink

OnTheCounter · 07-09-2012 06:16AM

Must not have posted earlier.

What favours did this guy do for the locals that strangers would approach him for help?

Davidth88 · 07-09-2012 08:25AM

Goodness me , reading some of this thread you would think the deceased was some sort of community leader , who's only crime was helping old women across the street.

If he truly wanted to change things , he had a good local( ish ) example in the likes of Tony Gregory , as far as I know he was never involved/linked with extortion etc , but he truly worked for his community.

For the local area to have black flags/ tricolours this must be sickening to the local law abiding residents and also quite intimidating.

If he wasn't linked to crime/ criminals then why have people spoken people being scared to take these down ?

As for this nonsense of the ' Real ' IRA or whatever they want to call themselves this week having shows of strength like guns being discharged and these flags and people talking like this is legitimate ( ie phrases like ' one of their own ' etc ) , sickening , this is something that belongs in another era , and possibly in another part of these Isles .

Donaghmedegirl · 07-09-2012 08:38AM

Davidth88 wrote: »

Goodness me , reading some of this thread you would think the deceased was some sort of community leader , who's only crime was helping old women across the street.

If he truly wanted to change things , he had a good local( ish ) example in the likes of Tony Gregory , as far as I know he was never involved/linked with extortion etc , but he truly worked for his community.

For the local area to have black flags/ tricolours this must be sickening to the local law abiding residents and also quite intimidating.

If he wasn't linked to crime/ criminals then why have people spoken people being scared to take these down ?

As for this nonsense of the ' Real ' IRA or whatever they want to call themselves this week having shows of strength like guns being discharged and these flags and people talking like this is legitimate ( ie phrases like ' one of their own ' etc ) , sickening , this is something that belongs in another era , and possibly in another part of these Isles .

I wasn't saying he is a community leader that's what some people saw him as i for one if I could ask him the question now is why take money off drugs gangs and say it was to push them out of your community and butthen line your greedy pockets with it. The flags is laughable I'm not intimidated by it because I said we are not shocked anymore by the actions of criminals in our community there are many people that want to take them down and I'm sure would be frightened to do it what scares them is the thought of the letters IRA no matter if it's nonsense

billybudd · 07-09-2012 09:01AM

Donaghmedegirl wrote: »

people are portraying Alan as a donaghmede hero thats far from the truth but there are people in the area who had called on Alan for help and he didn't know them. It is hard to believe that people would think Alan was mr fix it but to the people who knew him and the people he helped he was seen as just that .some people see the good before the bad I always say the bad always out weighs the good there always be a side to every criminal that the people around them love

Your making Donaghmede out to be a small area where everyone knows each other, it is quite a vast area where the majority would have no interaction with each other never mind some criminal.

Based on what you have said i doubt you knew AR in any shape or form, stop being a spokesperson for Donaghmede as you are not qaulified to do so.

gosuckonalemon · 07-09-2012 09:02AM

Donaghmedegirl wrote: »

Listen hear DARLING read the posts exactly as there wrote some people who knew Alan were not uneducated knackers they are respectable people from respectable families who had they Same political beliefs as him. Iwas just explaining to people who didn't understand why people where sticking up for him as to why they are I am no scumbag and im also highly educated I didn't have any respect for the crimes Alan committed and I'm not justifying people for sticking up for him I'm using my intelligence to explain to people like you who haven't got a clue about what goes on outside their computer and the front pages of their paper that some people who knew Alan and are sticking up for Alan genuinely don't believe him to be the cold blooded killer he was. When you write back come with a bit more intelligence on the matter read all my posts and then give your view in no way did I portray Alan as a robin hood character or justify the fact people liked him.

If you were that intelligent you'd be able to string a few coherent sentences together.

He was a scumbag and anyone of those that support him or shed a tear for him are scumbags too.

humanji · 07-09-2012 09:07AM

There's no need to get personal here. Be civil or be off.

PDCAT · 07-09-2012 09:38AM

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

I can't believe that there are knackers/RA heads posting in this thread trying to justify this scumbags actions. And in particular a girl. I guess this would explain how murderers like Alan Ryan ended up having kids, dumb bitches who were excited by his lifestyle.

This is what's wrong with society.

If you've nothing to add to this tread only insults, why don't you clear off.

gosuckonalemon · 07-09-2012 09:41AM

PDCAT wrote: »

If you've nothing to add to this tread only insults, why don't you clear off.

Who did I insult?

I simply don't believe RA scumbags or there supporters should be given any sympathy.

Opie · 07-09-2012 09:42AM

This is getting ridiculous now. You have more people now posting about the "Scumbags and Knackers" supposedly supporting everything Alan Ryan done. Yet to me, one of the most disgusting things in the whole thread is how all the internet gangsters on here are now slagging DonaghmedeGirl off for her Grammar? She makes very good points if you read what she is saying, yet you get these shams saying "Have you ever heard of a full stop" or "It's where, not were". She is not supporting Alan Ryan, just saying that there are 2 sides to the man. I still stick to what i said earlier, her posts are the only ones in this thread that make sensible points.

PDCAT · 07-09-2012 09:47AM

Opie wrote: »

This is getting ridiculous now. You have more people now posting about the "Scumbags and Knackers" supposedly supporting everything Alan Ryan done. Yet to me, one of the most disgusting things in the whole thread is how all the internet gangsters on here are now slagging DonaghmedeGirl off for her Grammar? She makes very good points if you read what she is saying, yet you get these shams saying "Have you ever heard of a full stop" or "It's where, not were". She is not supporting Alan Ryan, just saying that there are 2 sides to the man. I still stick to what i said earlier, her posts are the only ones in this thread that make sensible points.

Agreed. Don't know why she's wasted so much time posting here. Any person whom tried to take an objective view and state that their were two sides to the man has got slated and insulted.....

billybudd · 07-09-2012 09:55AM

Opie wrote: »

This is getting ridiculous now. You have more people now posting about the "Scumbags and Knackers" supposedly supporting everything Alan Ryan done. Yet to me, one of the most disgusting things in the whole thread is how all the internet gangsters on here are now slagging DonaghmedeGirl off for her Grammar? She makes very good points if you read what she is saying, yet you get these shams saying "Have you ever heard of a full stop" or "It's where, not were". She is not supporting Alan Ryan, just saying that there are 2 sides to the man. I still stick to what i said earlier, her posts are the only ones in this thread that make sensible points.

she called AR a cold blooded killer when he was never tried never mind convicted of those things.

so what makes sense about that? also Donaghmede is so vast that 99% of people who would have walked past AR would not even know who he was.

davet82 · 07-09-2012 10:10AM

billybudd wrote: »

she called AR a cold blooded killer when he was never tried never mind convicted of those things.

same can be said about the drug dealers who he extorted money from...

around and around we go...

Davidth88 · 07-09-2012 10:23AM

Donaghmedegirl wrote: »

I wasn't saying he is a community leader that's what some people saw him as i for one if I could ask him the question now is why take money off drugs gangs and say it was to push them out of your community and butthen line your greedy pockets with it. The flags is laughable I'm not intimidated by it because I said we are not shocked anymore by the actions of criminals in our community there are many people that want to take them down and I'm sure would be frightened to do it what scares them is the thought of the letters IRA no matter if it's nonsense

I was not aiming my post at you TBH .

Opie · 07-09-2012 11:21AM

billybudd wrote: »

she called AR a cold blooded killer when he was never tried never mind convicted of those things.

so what makes sense about that? also Donaghmede is so vast that 99% of people who would have walked past AR would not even know who he was.

The reason I think she is making sense is that she is trying to say that the chap had 2 sides, while not glorifying either side. If people read her messages it comes across quite clearly.

AR may never have been charged with any murders, but I'm sure that there was criminality, intimidation, extortion etc. These stories have not come out of thin air. I'm not saying that he was not the devil that the media are trying to portray, but at the same time he probably was not the saint that some are trying to portray.

I didnt know AR, I'm not from Donaghmede, I'm not part of any republican organisation, I just think some of the things being said about him are a bit much and if he has family and friends reading this its not a nice thing for them to have to listen to.

Lelantos · 07-09-2012 11:24AM

Opie wrote: »

billybudd wrote: »

she called AR a cold blooded killer when he was never tried never mind convicted of those things.

so what makes sense about that? also Donaghmede is so vast that 99% of people who would have walked past AR would not even know who he was.

The reason I think she is making sense is that she is trying to say that the chap had 2 sides, while not glorifying either side. If people read her messages it comes across quite clearly.

AR may never have been charged with any murders, but I'm sure that there was criminality, intimidation, extortion etc. These stories have not come out of thin air. I'm not saying that he was not the devil that the media are trying to portray, but at the same time he probably was not the saint that some are trying to portray.

I didnt know AR, I'm not from Donaghmede, I'm not part of any republican organisation, I just think some of the things being said about him are a bit much and if he has family and friends reading this its not a nice thing for them to have to listen to.

Friends & family should have had a word in his ear & asked him to change his ways, no point crying over spilt milk now is there.

07-09-2012 11:30AM

Opie wrote: »

if he has family and friends reading this its not a nice thing for them to have to listen to.

I'm not sure they would be hearing anything reading text.
Some users seem to be suggesting that this thread is a Commemoration or condolences thread, where in fact it is AH and we are discussing the death of a criminal.
If the family are googling his name to see who or what is being written about him on the www, blogs etc, then they know what to expect and know all about his ties to criminality.
Surely you wouldn't be going on to private forums to see if you can find out who killed your loved one when you have so many people around you who are well connected, and know already who done him in?

Opie · 07-09-2012 11:31AM

Lelantos wrote: »

Friends & family should have had a word in his ear & asked him to change his ways, no point crying over spilt milk now is there.

So families arent allowed to grieve? Some of the comments on here are outrageous. I'm sure his family knew what he was, but they still loved him and have still lost him. While people who he may have wronged will shed no tears for the man, there are people who loved him and cared about him who will be crying for him, and are having to read about him in every media source.

Lelantos · 07-09-2012 11:38AM

To hell pie;80651525]

Lelantos wrote: »

Friends & family should have had a word in his ear & asked him to change his ways, no point crying over spilt milk now is there.

So families arent allowed to grieve? Some of the comments on here are outrageous. I'm sure his family knew what he was, but they still loved him and have still lost him. While people who he may have wronged will shed no tears for the man, there are people who loved him and cared about him who will be crying for him, and are having to read about him in every media source.[/Quote]
He may have wronged? It's plain & simple, the guy was a nasty scummy piece of work. No decent person will miss him, only his cronies & people who haven't the cop on to recognize what he really was. I might feel sorry for his mother having to bring that little sh1t into the world, but that's all the sympathy you get from me.

Opie · 07-09-2012 11:42AM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I'm not sure they would be hearing anything reading text.
Some users seem to be suggesting that this thread is a Commemoration or condolences thread, where in fact it is AH and we are discussing the death of a criminal.
If the family are googling his name to see who or what is being written about him on the www, blogs etc, then they know what to expect and know all about his ties to criminality.
Surely you wouldn't be going on to private forums to see if you can find out who killed your loved one when you have so many people around you who are well connected, and know already who done him in?

Good one for the pedantry above, bravo.

As i've said, i'm sure his family know what he was like, but they dont want to have to read what keyboard warriors are saying, who never met him, calling him this and that. They know what the chap done and they are now dealing with the fact he is dead. How would you feel if you were in a similar situation and people were saying it about your brother or son, even if you knew he done wrong? It would not be a nice feeling.

07-09-2012 11:45AM

Opie wrote: »

Good one for the pedantry above, bravo.

As i've said, i'm sure his family know what he was like, but they dont want to have to read what keyboard warriors are saying, who never met him, calling him this and that. They know what the chap done and they are now dealing with the fact he is dead. How would you feel if you were in a similar situation and people were saying it about your brother or son, even if you knew he done wrong? It would not be a nice feeling.

It's like a broken record of new registrations on here all using the same argument "How would you...." etc.
They don't want to have to read?
Well then they shouldn't be googling it or scouring every little part of the www to see what every little keyboard warrior (as opposed to fake Freedom Fighter Warriors) are writing about him.
The funniest part of all of this is his cronies think everyone should show him mafia like respect after the fact, whereas most people couldn't give a **** what his family are like.
Everyone knows nice families, most of them don't have to deal with their loved ones being savagely shot for nothing.

Cheeky_gal · 07-09-2012 11:57AM

Its astonishing the amount of people who are saying "he has two sides". Tbh, I genuinely don't see the relevance with what "having two sides" has to do with anything. However, if he "has two sides", one been this devoted father or whatever, and the other been this criminal who shoots people dead, ehm.. well I think one far outweighs the other.

I remember the shooting in Portmarnock very well, it frightened the life out of me. Every time I drive past the DART station I am immediately reminded of it.

So tbh, the more of these scumbags that are wiped from the earth the better. And the better off that little boy of his will be, who wants to grow up with a father like that? As for the women that have children with these scum, the mind baffles..

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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