The Gardai - Accomplishments to date

Musiconomist · 06-09-2012 09:59AM #1

I had a small argument with a co-worker recently over the guards.

I accused them of being morally corrupt, she strongly disagreed. I asked her to tell me one thing that they had done recently that you could say fair play to. I kind of feel like there is a culture of apathy in the guards that negatively impacts all other parts of society.

My argument went something like this:

They havent arrested most of the bankers/politicians who have acted improperly or corruptly
They dont overly mind baton-charging protesters
They took a long time to respond to a call when our house was broken in, and then didnt take prints. (The "There's very little chance of catching him." attitude)
A girl was attacked recently at my local train station (the 3rd in 4 years), yet they havent notified the community or made requests for information. This one really annoyed me, as I thought it would be common sense to do that, and could be preventative.
That guard who got a slap on the wrist for making the rape joke. I hate that "closed ranks" mentality
The whole Catholic church thing

I also suggested that if they were not satisfied with the judicial system, it would make sense (and be a bold statement) if the guards were to march for judicial reform.

Her argument was:

They dont get adequate support from successive weak governments (fair enough, I suppose)
They dont get the respect of the people
They do a dangerous job
Why should they put up posters when someone has been attacked? They dont do that in other countries.
Her dad is a guard
They work irregular hours and bank holidays

JohnMarston · 06-09-2012 10:01AM

What was the question again?

Steven81 · 06-09-2012 10:03AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaC2TxjdwWw

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:03AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What was the question again?

How much oil does a gum boil boil?

Paulzx · 06-09-2012 10:04AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What was the question again?

There wasn't one.

él statutorio · 06-09-2012 10:04AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

I had a small argument with a co-worker recently over the guards.

I accused them of being morally corrupt, she strongly disagreed. I asked her to tell me one thing that they had done recently that you could say fair play to. I kind of feel like there is a culture of apathy in the guards that negatively impacts all other parts of society.

My argument went something like this:
They havent arrested most of the bankers/politicians who have acted improperly or corruptly

They dont overly mind baton-charging protesters

They took a long time to respond to a call when our house was broken in, and then didnt take prints. (The "There's very little chance of catching him." attitude)

A girl was attacked recently at my local train station (the 3rd in 4 years), yet they havent notified the community or made requests for information. This one really annoyed me, as I thought it would be common sense to do that, and could be preventative.

That guard who got a slap on the wrist for making the rape joke. I hate that "closed ranks" mentality

The whole Catholic church thing

I also suggested that if they were not satisfied with the judicial system, it would make sense (and be a bold statement) if the guards were to march for judicial reform.

Her argument was:
They dont get adequate support from successive weak governments (fair enough, I suppose)

They dont get the respect of the people

They do a dangerous job

Why should they put up posters when someone has been attacked? They dont do that in other countries.

Her dad is a guard

They work irregular hours and bank holidays

You don't get respect, you earn it.

There are very few Gardaí who I'd respect and the ones that I do are all approaching retirement. IMHO a lot of the younger Gardaí don't give a toss.

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:06AM

on serious note i hope the lot of them get leprosy

I.S.T. · 06-09-2012 10:06AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]Why should they put up posters when someone has been attacked? They dont do that in other countries.

They do it all the time in the UK.

M cebee · 06-09-2012 10:07AM

Aganica wrote: »

on serious note i hope the lot of them get leprosy

they won't-we don't have it here

Myrddin · 06-09-2012 10:07AM

Aganica wrote: »

on serious note i hope the lot of them get leprosy

What a sad pathetic post & thread

jill_valentine · 06-09-2012 10:08AM

Aren't the Guards absolutely forbidden to openly protest their conditions?

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:08AM

EnterNow wrote: »

What a sad pathetic post & thread

Very true Garda

06-09-2012 10:12AM

Say what you will about the Gardaí, they're extremely good when it comes to solving murders/deaths. Take the examples of Manuelo Riedo and Kieran Cunningham, both killed in Galway. The culprits were found and arrested within a week or two. These are just two cases I know about, there are probably many many others. You can say what you will about the sentences they might receive, but that hasn't much to do with them.

Musiconomist · 06-09-2012 10:12AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What was the question again?

Haha, I suppose I was just looking to be proven "right" by complimentary opinions of strangers

a fat guy · 06-09-2012 10:12AM

Why did she imply that they deserve respect?

I want respect because I've got a degree, but that just isn't happening.

Musiconomist · 06-09-2012 10:13AM

EnterNow wrote: »

What a sad pathetic post & thread

What a sad pathetic post & thread

twowheelsonly · 06-09-2012 10:14AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

I had a small argument with a co-worker recently over the guards.

I accused them of being morally corrupt, she strongly disagreed. I asked her to tell me one thing that they had done recently that you could say fair play to. I kind of feel like there is a culture of apathy in the guards that negatively impacts all other parts of society.

My argument went something like this:
They havent arrested most of the bankers/politicians who have acted improperly or corruptly

They dont overly mind baton-charging protesters

They took a long time to respond to a call when our house was broken in, and then didnt take prints. (The "There's very little chance of catching him." attitude)

A girl was attacked recently at my local train station (the 3rd in 4 years), yet they havent notified the community or made requests for information. This one really annoyed me, as I thought it would be common sense to do that, and could be preventative.

That guard who got a slap on the wrist for making the rape joke. I hate that "closed ranks" mentality

The whole Catholic church thing

I also suggested that if they were not satisfied with the judicial system, it would make sense (and be a bold statement) if the guards were to march for judicial reform.

Her argument was:
They dont get adequate support from successive weak governments (fair enough, I suppose)

They dont get the respect of the people

They do a dangerous job

Why should they put up posters when someone has been attacked? They dont do that in other countries.

Her dad is a guard

They work irregular hours and bank holidays

You could have just shortened your post to the highlighted bit...

CreepingDeath · 06-09-2012 10:14AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]They havent arrested most of the bankers/politicians who have acted improperly or corruptly

They arrested Sean Quinn and his family on fraud charges.

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]They dont overly mind baton-charging protesters

As far as I know, they aren't equipped with pepper spray.

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]They took a long time to respond to a call when our house was broken in, and then didnt take prints. (The "There's very little chance of catching him." attitude)

Burglars use gloves.
Plus they'd have to fingerprint everyone in your house and previous visitors to rule their fingerprints out.
Too much work/cost.

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]A girl was attacked recently at my local train station (the 3rd in 4 years), yet they havent notified the community or made requests for information. This one really annoyed me, as I thought it would be common sense to do that, and could be preventative.

It's not their job to notify the community.
Typically local newspapers do that.
And if someone had information they should come forward, not expect a personal request for it.

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]That guard who got a slap on the wrist for making the rape joke. I hate that "closed ranks" mentality

You think they should be fired for bad humour?

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]The whole Catholic church thing

What are you talking about, 20 years ago or today?

If a claim of abuse is reported of course they're going to investigate it today.

I don't think you understand their role at all.
They're just detain criminals, make a report and see if their station sergeant agrees they've enough proof to send it to the director of public prosecutions.
It's up to the DPP to decide to proceed with a criminal case or not, and the Judges to sentence the guilty within the limits of the law for that particular crime.

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:15AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

What a sad pathetic post & thread

Another leper:rolleyes:

Duggy747 · 06-09-2012 10:16AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

[*]That guard who got a slap on the wrist for making the rape joke. I hate that "closed ranks" mentality

You mean the Corrib case where the tape was edited and released to the public to give the impression that the Gardaí were making rape jokes rather than joking about the woman who were accusing them of rape as they were arresting others?

martingriff · 06-09-2012 10:17AM

JohnMarston wrote: »

What was the question again?

He wants you to agree with him and say Garda are morally corrupt no question just shake your head yes

krudler · 06-09-2012 10:18AM

Musiconomist wrote: »

Her argument was:
They dont get adequate support from successive weak governments (fair enough, I suppose)

They dont get the respect of the people

They do a dangerous job

Why should they put up posters when someone has been attacked? They dont do that in other countries.

Her dad is a guard

They work irregular hours and bank holidays

Valid.
You earn that, the days of someone in a uniform being automatically given resect are gone.
Not always, in well populated cities sure, but in tiny rural towns I doubt there's anywhere near as much danger. "the swans escaped again" :pac:
They do.
And?
Pffft, cry me a river, so do I, so do barmen, so do people in Mcdonalds. If you dont want to work crappy hours get an office 9-5 job.

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:19AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

You mean the Corrib case where the tape was edited and released to the public to give the impression that the Gardaí were making rape jokes rather than joking about the woman who were accusing them of rape as they were arresting others?

^ Superintendent leper. Go back to your colony leper !!!!

How do you fit 47 lepers in a Volkswagen? Use a blender. How do you get them out? Use Doritos.

Aganica · 06-09-2012 10:20AM

Why did the hooker leave the leper colony?

Business was dropping off.

donalg1 · 06-09-2012 10:21AM

Anyone that can come on here and say the Guards deserve leprosy, have obvioulsy some serious issues. No different than the lads you hear saying all Guards are scum, (basically because the Guards arrest them all the time for breaking the law and wont let them rob whenever they want).

Personally I have no issues with them because I dont break the law so have no need to be annoyed with them. I do understand that there are people that also dont break the law and have maybe been burgled that have an issue with them due to the time taken to respond or to solve the problems.

They do a pretty hard job imo and have to deal with some of the worst scumbags in town, the type of people most of us would avoid at all costs and they dont get a whole lot of thanks for it. I for one would not like their job at all especially on a friday and saturday night when they are out breaking up fights and getting abused by the scum.

As for accomplishments to date well who knows as what do you measure, I suppose you would have to take them out of the equation and have no Guards around for a set period of time and compare the crime in that period to an equivalent period with the Guards there to truly measure their accomplishments.

KeithM89_old · 06-09-2012 10:23AM

Aganica wrote: »

Why did the hooker leave the leper colony?

Business was dropping off.

Banned.

Musiconomist · 06-09-2012 11:00AM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

They arrested Sean Quinn and his family on fraud charges.

Exactly. Not a politician yet. If the Quinns hadnt paid their bin charge they'd have gotten worse.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

As far as I know, they aren't equipped with pepper spray.

I assume that's a joke. Have you seen the picture of the guard batoning a protester holding up his fingers in a piece sign?

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Burglars use gloves.
Plus they'd have to fingerprint everyone in your house and previous visitors to rule their fingerprints out.
Too much work/cost.

You dont know all burglars use gloves.
Also, too much work/cost? They may as well have told us on the phone that they werent going to look for the criminal and saved on the petrol money.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's not their job to notify the community.
Typically local newspapers do that.
And if someone had information they should come forward, not expect a personal request for it.

You've missed the point. How would someone know to come forward? Word of mouth, if at all! There's not 3 million people glued to crimeline. Also, gathering evidence and possibly preventing crime isnt the guards job?

CreepingDeath wrote: »

What are you talking about, 20 years ago or today?
If a claim of abuse is reported of course they're going to investigate it today.

How many guards were aware of abuse claims, and didnt act? How many priests/bishops failed to report abuse claims and were never punished? Just this week, one admitted moving an abuser between dioceses.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I don't think you understand their role at all.
They're just detain criminals, make a report and see if their station sergeant agrees they've enough proof to send it to the director of public prosecutions.
It's up to the DPP to decide to proceed with a criminal case or not, and the Judges to sentence the guilty within the limits of the law for that particular crime.

My point is that they dont even do that part. Get the criminals into the courtrooms. At that point, their job is done. If the judge makes a bad decision, at least it's not the guards fault.

cursai · 06-09-2012 11:03AM

The most pathetic thing about this thread is my comment and the fact that I was so annoyed I felt I had to post something.

mitosis · 06-09-2012 11:06AM

Oh good. A Garda bash!

Never enough of those.

Musiconomist · 06-09-2012 11:15AM

mitosis wrote: »

Oh good. A Garda bash! Never enough of those.

Oh good. A Garda bash bash!

Never enough of those.

Fukuyama · 06-09-2012 11:21AM

Get assaulted. Verbally abused. Deal with complete scumbags. See the justice system piss all over their work. Enter the homes of dead people on the request of family/friends. See bodies twisted up in a crash. Break news to families. Conduct boring stops and deal with stupid calls wasting their time. Arrest the same little scumbag over and over. Be spat on.

This is around 1% of the stuff the gardái deal with in a single shift at times. While you're enjoying your shift in a cosy office.

I notice the people who bash the gardaí are normally softies. If you just came from a call where bodies were torn up in a crash could you grit your teeth and deal with a little nuisance scumbag or go around 'aiming to please' 100% of the time? Especially on that pathetic wage they get? No I imagine you'd go whimper and hand in your notice the next day.

Show some more respect to the people who genuinely put themselves into serious danger with little more than a metal stick.

The Gardai - Accomplishments to date

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