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RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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  • #332
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    There are none so blind as those who will not see...

    Lovely man. So sad he's dead.

    Or those who don't pay any attention to unnamed sources of quotes in the indo

    " he also sought to take a slice of the profits built up by crime gangs from drug-trafficking and robberies."

    Says plenty when even a rag like that has to couch the accusation with a term like "sought"

    so anyway, back to the gum flapping from the assorted, dirty harry wannabes and dick tracy Walts, off yiz go :)


  • #333
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Its not up to any individuals to take the law into there own hands,If Alan ryan was an Criminal/terrorist/ whatever, its not up to anonymous people to drive up and shoot him dead,Its the garda and justice departments job to convict and jail him,If we applaud & condone that kind of action it wont be to long before it will become the norm and soon there will be bodies lying on our streets everyday and no doubt some of them innocent bystanders.


  • #334
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    humanji wrote: »
    Ah, that was even more important to close as it was accusing people. Again, it's different to this situation. You can't libel the dead.

    If you really want to have this discussion on thread:

    There are plenty of past instances where threads about the recently deceased were locked due to abusive posts. With no issue of libel or contempt of court either. Keep the thread open if you want but don't pretend that you're applying some standard AH procedure in doing so.


  • #335
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bambi wrote: »
    Or those who don't pay any attention to unnamed sources of quotes in the indo

    " he also sought to take a slice of the profits built up by crime gangs from drug-trafficking and robberies."

    Says plenty when even a rag like that has to couch the accusation with a term like "sought"

    so anyway, back to the gum flapping from the assorted, dirty harry wannabes and dick tracy Walts, off yiz go :)
    I'll step aside and let the scumbag apologists take the floor for a while. "He wuz a luvley fella, he wuz", and "he didn't do nattin" - that sort of thing. Gum flapping, I think they call it.


  • #336
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'll step aside and let the scumbag apologists take the floor for a while. "He wuz a luvley fella, he wuz", and "he didn't do nattin" - that sort of thing. Gum flapping, I think they call it.

    I have no idea what sort of a person this fella was, never met him, never even heard of him before he was shot. I do, however, have some experience of how the garda and press hacks operate in these circumstances.

    You, on the other hand, seem to have a comprehensive insight into what this fella was up to. Perhaps you're a big swing in the special branch rather just some randomer who read an article in the papers. Though I would suspect not :)


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  • #337
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    The pics in the Herald where very bloody.

    I thought after reading it that the world is now a better place with him gone.


  • #338
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Bambi wrote: »
    If you really want to have this discussion on thread:

    There are plenty of past instances where threads about the recently deceased were locked due to abusive posts. With no issue of libel or contempt of court either. Keep the thread open if you want but don't pretend that you're applying some standard AH procedure in doing so.
    Closed for completely different issues.


  • #339
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    humanji wrote: »
    Closed for completely different issues.

    Please, do continue with this explanation


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054963419&page=13


  • #340
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Bambi wrote: »
    Please, do continue with this explanation


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054963419&page=13
    The thread from 6 years ago? The thread that was closed 3 years ago? The thread that was closed two years before I was a mod? The thread that was closed while the site had a different set of rules governing it? The thread that was open for 3 years and closed because it was an old thread that would serve no good in being brought back?

    Seriously, are you really going to get petty about this? If you've got an issue, bring it up in the feedback forum. There's a thread regarding condolence threads that you can fit this into if you want (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056737961).


  • #341
    Lelantos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    Bambi wrote: »
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    There are none so blind as those who will not see...

    Lovely man. So sad he's dead.

    Or those who don't pay any attention to unnamed sources of quotes in the indo

    " he also sought to take a slice of the profits built up by crime gangs from drug-trafficking and robberies."

    Says plenty when even a rag like that has to couch the accusation with a term like "sought"

    so anyway, back to the gum flapping from the assorted, dirty harry wannabes and dick tracy Walts, off yiz go :)
    You do realise no one believes anything you write? That you cannot defend the indefensible? That quite frankly, your attempt to curry favour with us by attacking the indo for using the word sought is laughable


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  • #342
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Bambi wrote: »
    Or those who don't pay any attention to unnamed sources of quotes in the indo

    " he also sought to take a slice of the profits built up by crime gangs from drug-trafficking and robberies."

    Says plenty when even a rag like that has to couch the accusation with a term like "sought"

    so anyway, back to the gum flapping from the assorted, dirty harry wannabes and dick tracy Walts, off yiz go :)

    Explain the bit in bold. I'm failing to see any "couching"


  • #343
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Lelantos wrote: »
    You do realise no one believes anything you write? That you cannot defend the indefensible? That quite frankly, your attempt to curry favour with us by attacking the indo for using the word sought is laughable

    who's the "us" I'm currying favour with here buddy? You? Will this be a hyperbole and bluster curry? The ingredients are right there for that anayway

    I've just repeatedly asked where the basis for this fella making a fortune of shaking drug dealers is? So far, we've had a report from the indo citing no sources and a very carefully phrased reference to drug dealers. If you have more on the subject to offer, fire away, should make good reading.


  • #344
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bambi wrote: »
    I've just repeatedly asked where the basis for this fella making a fortune of shaking drug dealers is? So far, we've had a report from the indo citing no sources and a very carefully phrased reference to drug dealers.
    One minute you claim you understand how newspaper 'hacks' work, the next minute you express astonishment that they don't name sources for his criminal activities.

    I'm confused by this apparent contradiction.


  • #345
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pure scumbag, pure and simple.
    no loss to society.

    and yes i would say it to his family, no problem.


  • #346
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    I can understand the sense of justice that many may feel knowing that a scumbag has been removed from this earth, but more importantly, while cheering the end of this scumbag is one thing, let's not forget that this scumbag was killed by a murdering scumbag who is still out there.

    Tangentially: I am curious if those applauding over this death are also those who are critical of capital punishment.


  • #347
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    Tangentially: I am curious if those applauding over this death are also those who are critical of capital punishment.
    I haven't read all the posts, but I haven't actually seen anyone applauding his death. And of course you make a good point - Shane Geoghegan and Anthony Campbell were murdered by the same type of criminal scumbag who offed this particular crim.


  • #348
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    let's be honest this guy was never gonna get to use his bus-pass, but i find it difficult to glorify in the brutal murder of another human being as that makes you little better than them.


  • #349
    HoggyRS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭HoggyRS


    I know a good few in the 32csm and I reckon alot of them have a real taste for the danger and all this living on the edge stuff. They all want to be martyrs to a cause. I don't reckon its worth having your door kicked in the middle of the night so the branch can search through your stuff.

    I see a few of them posting on facebook today about his death. Theres no real defence if you've got a hand in the extortion game but presumably this is about them feuding with dealers, which is asking for trouble really.


  • #350
    android1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭android1


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    I can understand the sense of justice that many may feel knowing that a scumbag has been removed from this earth, but more importantly, while cheering the end of this scumbag is one thing, let's not forget that this scumbag was killed by a murdering scumbag who is still out there.

    Tangentially: I am curious if those applauding over this death are also those who are critical of capital punishment.

    No, but you can hardly expect anybody here to show one bit of sympathy for a killer who ends up getting killed.


  • #351
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    android1 wrote: »
    No, but you can hardly expect anybody here to show one bit of sympathy for a killer who ends up getting killed.

    yes but there is a difference between not showing sympathy and glorifying in his murder.


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  • #352
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Bambi wrote: »
    who's the "us" I'm currying favour with here buddy? You? Will this be a hyperbole and bluster curry? The ingredients are right there for that anayway

    I've just repeatedly asked where the basis for this fella making a fortune of shaking drug dealers is? So far, we've had a report from the indo citing no sources and a very carefully phrased reference to drug dealers. If you have more on the subject to offer, fire away, should make good reading.
    Every newspaper article I've read has said it. Considering you don't believe newspapers, what source of proof do you want? Do you want a poster from here to go out and interview his friends and make a little youtube video for you? Only for you to tell us "they could be anyone"?
    In fact, how do you know he's dead? The newspapers are probably just saying that cos they'll say anything to sell a few papers.


  • #353
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Vicar in a tutu wrote: »
    Paul Williams has more blood on his hands than anyone.

    I kinda agree here. This self styled deputy-sheriff's stories gave The Viper the free advertising that was so necessary in launching his collection firm. Paul has glorified crime in a way that is reminiscent of the papers in Chicago in the early part of the last century. Ask an ordinary cop what they think of Williams .....


  • #354
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭h2005


    nice1franko wrote: »
    To answer your question: you don't have to at all but that's different from being glad about a murder.

    People should be concerned that murders are happening at an astonishing (and ever escalating) rate and the police/justice system don't seem to be able to handle it. Compare the number of murders happening now with twenty or thirty years ago... it's shocking.

    If he was guilty of crimes then he should have been locked up and that's the only outcome people should be hoping for or glad about.

    When people are being shot on the street like dogs it's worrying and when ordinary folk are happy about it it's even more worrying.
    The murder rate isn`t "ever escalating" its actually falling


  • #355
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    humanji wrote: »
    The thread from 6 years ago? The thread that was closed 3 years ago? The thread that was closed two years before I was a mod? The thread that was closed while the site had a different set of rules governing it? The thread that was open for 3 years and closed because it was an old thread that would serve no good in being brought back

    C'mon man... did you read the second last post of that thread? It doesn't matter how old it is, or when it was closed, or who was mod at the time. It perfectly demonstrates the very human aspects and effects that these things have on people and most importantly, on families.

    You mentioned libel earlier. Is that the only thing that Boards considers these days? 'The dead can't sue' kind of thing... to hell with empathy and common human decency like. I'll dance on his grave while his family look on.


  • #356
    Vicar in a tutu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Vicar in a tutu


    Its a bit rough having this open for his family and friends to see, you just dont know how this could effect someone, He was loved by his friends and family and deserves to rest in peace. Half of the people slating him have been influenced by the papers, from what I've heard he done alot of good in his short life.


  • #357
    Profiler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Vicar in a tutu wrote: »
    Its a bit rough having this open for his family and friends to see, you just dont know how this could effect someone, He was loved by his friends and family and deserves to rest in peace. Half of the people slating him have been influenced by the papers, from what I've heard he done alot of good in his short life.

    As for it being rough for his family and friends, don't try and suggest his family and friends weren't aware of his illegal activities. I doubt very much any of them are going to be negatively affected by anything in this thread.

    He and his kind had precious little respect for others, so why would anyone connected to him be surprised at a lack of concern for him?

    Perhaps you should consider the honest business men and women he extorted money from under threat of violence and/or death, bet they won't agree with you on the "done a lot of good" statement.


  • #358
    Vicar in a tutu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Vicar in a tutu


    Profiler wrote: »
    As for it being rough for his family and friends, don't try and suggest his family and friends weren't aware of his illegal activities. I doubt very much any of them are going to be negatively affected by anything in this thread.

    He and his kind had precious little respect for others, so why would anyone connected to him be surprised at a lack of concern for him?

    Perhaps you should consider the honest business men and women he extorted money from under threat of violence and/or death, bet they won't agree with you on the "done a lot of good" statement.


    Ah come off it, how do you know he was doing it? apart from news articles? His family and friends are now going through a very tough time and dont need to be reading all this blood thirsty crap about him, He's dead and not coming back, its tragic and I wouldnt wish it on anyone.


  • #359
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭h2005


    Stop commenting and bumping it to the front page so!


  • #360
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Vicar in a tutu wrote: »
    Its a bit rough having this open for his family and friends to see

    My degree of sympathy for that line of argument would depend on whether family had knowledge of how the deceased made a living and if so, did they knowingly gain in any material way as a result of those activities.


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  • #361
    Vicar in a tutu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Vicar in a tutu


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    My degree of sympathy for that line of argument would depend on whether family had knowledge of how the deceased made a living and if so, did they knowingly gain in any material way as a result of those activities.



    Why dont you go up and ask them instead of posting on an internet forum about ''Sympathy'' If you have nothing good to say dont say anything at all.


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