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    #842
    [Deleted User]
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    mikom wrote: »
    and Usain bolt.....

    now you can smoke Usain Bolt.

    have a gander :)

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnclarke/2012/08/10/usain-bolt-weed-for-sale-pot-shops-cash-in-on-usain-bolt-smoking-the-competition-at-london-olympics/

    Our well-informed, and prescription-carrying sources, tell us ever since the Games began, multiple weed dispensaries in the Orange County area have been selling a new product called Usain Bolt O.G.,” reports gossip site TMZ.


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    #843
    flash1080
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭flash1080


    mikom wrote: »
    I have no hands-on good experience of crystal meth, so why should I lobby for it.

    Would you vote for a candidate in a general election that you knew nothing good about?
    I wouldn't vote for someone who only had thoughts on one issue either or someone who is completely ignorant.

    ScumLord wrote: »
    I think Cannabis legalisation is different from the legalisation of other drugs to some extent. There's many angles you can come at cannabis legalisation, there's the medical grounds, commercial grounds and recreational freedom grounds. For most other drugs the only angle is freedom.
    Let's be honest about it, 99% of the people who want cannabis legalised and other drugs not taken into consideration are people who use it for recreational purposes.


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    #844
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    flash1080 wrote: »
    I wouldn't vote for someone who only had thoughts on one issue either or someone who is completely ignorant.

    *veiled putdown post*


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    #845
    Peetrik
    Registered Users Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭Peetrik


    flash1080 wrote: »
    Let's be honest about it, 99% of the people who want cannabis legalised and other drugs not taken into consideration are people who use it for recreational purposes.

    Don't agree with that at all. I'm big into sports myself so it's rare I use recreational drugs like alcohol or cannabis. I would be fully supportive of it being legalized for commercial growth as it's a sustainable and eco friendly way of boosting our economy and increasing our exports (paper, rope, fabrics, construction materials etc).


    Just makes sense to me.


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    #846
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    mikom wrote: »
    Up to date report for the uninformed who scream about cannabis being soooooo harmful..........
    ScumLord wrote: »
    I think Cannabis legalisation is different from the legalisation of other drugs to some extent. There's many angles you can come at cannabis legalisation, there's the medical grounds, commercial grounds and recreational freedom grounds. For most other drugs the only angle is freedom.

    All those grounds apply to most drugs.


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    #847
    K3lso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭K3lso


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I think Cannabis legalisation is different from the legalisation of other drugs to some extent. There's many angles you can come at cannabis legalisation, there's the medical grounds, commercial grounds and recreational freedom grounds. For most other drugs the only angle is freedom.

    Crack cocaine would have never even been experimented with had benzoylmethylecgonine been legal and purchasable over the counter. It turns out that cocaine mixed with baking powder and other junk (crack) is more than double the high than normal cocaine and thus, more addictive. It's a scourge in ghettos across the states and leads to huge crime rates.

    Cocaine, legal and above board would only impact those that made the choice to consume what they understand is a dangerous substance, not the rest of society. The same with heroin - the child, sister, father, uncle, aunt, brother, mother that gets accidentally mowed down in a drive by shooting is an innocent victim. Those that choose to shoot-up heroin are not innocent victims by any interpretation of the term.

    The problems with drugs stems from the illegality of them, not the actual drugs themselves. It would be a move in the right direction with cannabis, indeed it's a travesty that MS patients cannot access this medicine but the crime associated with other currently illegal substances would still remain.


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    #848
    Tym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tym


    @Mikon.

    You left this out:P
    The authors said the harm ratings did not take into account the availability or cost of a substance, which, it said, could explain why alcohol was so high up.

    It stressed caution over the cannabis ranking, saying the survey was conducted before the widespread availability of high-potency cannabis.

    "This is more evidence suggesting, from the views of people dealing with the problem, that stricter regulation of alcohol would be better," said Dr Joe Barry, public health specialist.

    Last bits a bit prohabition.
    The authors said one of the strengths of the study was the large number (292) of health and social work professionals involved.

    Hmmm, couldn't find that anywhere.

    I feel like making a meme about this thread...


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    #849
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The reason drugs like heroin and cocaine where made illegal is because the professionally medical doctors where prescribing them for everything from a toothache to the common cold. All these drugs where created by legal companies. Those companies and the doctors of the time where actively turning people into addicts so they could make profit.

    These are all recently invented man made drugs, I'm not to pushed to see the man made drugs legalised because they tend to overwhelm the system, bypassing all the bodies defences. The natural drugs like cannabis, mushrooms and other psychedelics have natural ways of being absorbed into the system. They're less harmful than even the man made drug alcohol as our body has had ways of processing these drugs for millennia.

    Even the coca plant when used in it's natural form has no harmful effects, it's only after it's processed into a super strong distilled drug that problems start to occur. It's along the same lines as processed food is bad for you.


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    #850
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Tym wrote: »
    @Mikon.

    You left this out:P
    It stressed caution over the cannabis ranking, saying the survey was conducted before the widespread availability of high-potency cannabis.

    Left it out because this fallacy has been debunked numerous times on these very boards.
    This thread being one of them..... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056466474


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    #851
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Medical usage has absolutely nothing to do with legalisation on recreational grounds.

    Lets get something straight. There isn't such a clear cut between medical use and 'recreational' use. Just googled 'reacreation' on a dictionary and this is what it said.
    1. refreshment of health or spirits by relaxation and enjoyment
    2. an activity or pastime that promotes this
    In otherwords healty activity. So when you take cannabis 'recationaly' I would consider it to be preventivie health care and preventive medicine. It can help with alot of aliments and keep stress level low. That adds years to your life before you are even sick!!!

    It is not like the people who take cannabis for medical reasons gets loads of benifits and the people who take 'reactionaly' dont. Even if there is nothing 'wrong' with me when i take it, i still get the same anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatory and 'potentially' anti-cancer and anti-stress ect ect benifits that people who take for 'medical reason' get.

    So to say that 'Medical usage' has absolutely nothing to do with 'recreational' use is wrong.


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    #852
    peternel
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    theres a lot of ignorant people here


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    #853
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    peternel wrote: »
    theres a lot of ignorant people here

    You registered just to post this? Ok.... but please don't keep us in suspense, are the ignorant people pro or anti herb, or distributed on both sides?


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    #854
    Triangular
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Triangular


    There's a lot of ignorant people everywhere.


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    #855
    pathtohome
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭pathtohome


    Triangular wrote: »
    There's a lot of ignorant people everywhere.

    None more than in the houses of the absolute mongs who promote the legalization of cannabis.


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    #856
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    Any argument by the anti side have been fairly piss weak, hypothetical strawman arguments. I think Mikom and Gaffer91 have debunked most of the moral outrage so far.


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    #857
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    pathtohome wrote: »
    None more than in the houses of the absolute mongs who promote the legalization of cannabis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c


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    #858
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    pathtohome wrote: »
    None more than in the houses of the absolute mongs who promote the legalization of cannabis.

    That's pretty much the standard of the anti-legalisation side.

    By deriding the people calling for it's legalisation as "mongs" it's quite easy to gloss over the fact that you don't have any valid arguments.


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    #859
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    pathtohome wrote: »
    None more than in the houses of the absolute mongs who promote the legalization of cannabis.

    You pretty much just summed up the anti legalization side.

    Ranting and raving like a child refused ice cream.


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    #860
    pathtohome
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭pathtohome


    Gbear wrote: »
    That's pretty much the standard of the anti-legalisation side.

    By deriding the people calling for it's legalisation as "mongs" it's quite easy to gloss over the fact that you don't have any valid arguments.

    It makes you a dumb dumb and insane. The cost it'd take to house all the new psychos there will be if it was legalized, would far outweigh any profits made from the government selling it.

    There you go.


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    #861
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    pathtohome wrote: »
    It makes you a dumb dumb and insane. The cost it'd take to house all the new psychos there will be if it was legalized, would far outweigh any profits made from the government selling it.

    There you go.

    [Citation Needed]


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    #862
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    pathtohome wrote: »
    It makes you a dumb dumb and insane. The cost it'd take to house all the new psychos there will be if it was legalized, would far outweigh any profits made from the government selling it.

    There you go.

    So why, with the insatiable demand for it illegally, is there no epidemic of "dumb dumbs and psychos" housed in mental institutions already ?

    I'd love to see some links to these situations in the Netherlands and other countries with regulated cannabis laws.


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    #863
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    pathtohome wrote: »
    It makes you a dumb dumb and insane. The cost it'd take to house all the new psychos there will be if it was legalized, would far outweigh any profits made from the government selling it.

    There you go.

    A dumb dumb and insane :D any links?


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    #864
    pathtohome
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭pathtohome


    Gbear wrote: »
    [Citation Needed]
    MaxSteele wrote: »
    So why, with the insatiable demand for it illegally, is there no epidemic of "dumb dumbs and psychos" housed in mental institutions already ?

    I'd love to see some links to these situations in the Netherlands and other countries with regulated cannabis laws.
    Boombastic wrote: »
    A dumb dumb and insane :D any links?

    http://www.nda.ie/cntmgmtnew.nsf/0/A3CFE76BE6EE5B7080257117005B2A1B/$File/disability_research_conference_12.htm
    Over 75,000 people in Ireland have a psychotic condition. Of these more than 35,000 have schizophrenia making it the most common form of psychosis. Each year in Ireland more than 1,300, predominately young people, develop psychosis. This condition has enormous personal costs to the individual and their family. Additionally the economic costs of schizophrenia alone are estimated to be between 1 and 3% of the total health budget. The indirect costs through loss of employment, drop-out from education and other factors are up to seven times this.

    ...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0508/breaking32.html
    The use of cannabis during adolescence increases the risk of developing schizophrenia, a study by researchers at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland has found.

    There were physical changes in the areas of the brain implicated in the use of schizophrenia following the use of cannabis during adolescence, the research published in Nature's Neuropsychopharmacology journal has found.

    The use of cannabis by teenagers can cause changes to the brain by interacting with the COMT gene, the research has shown.

    The COMT gene provides instructions for making an enzyme which breaks down dopamine, the neurotransmitter which controls the brain's pleasure and reward centres.

    It was the first study to show the combined effects of the gene with adolescence cannabis use can change parts of the brain associated with schizophrenia, the study's lead author Dr Áine Behan,of the RSCI Department of Physiology said.

    The study showed that “genetic, developmental and environmental factors interact” to adjust brain function in schizophrenia. Dr Behan said the study supported previous behavioural research.

    “Increased knowledge on the effects of cannabis on the brain is critical to understanding youth mental health both in terms of psychological and psychiatric well-being,” Dr Behan said.

    Three areas of the brain assessed in this study, which was carried out on mice, were found to show changes in cell size, density and protein levels.


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    #865
    Real Life
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    pathtohome wrote: »
    It makes you a dumb dumb and insane. The cost it'd take to house all the new psychos there will be if it was legalized, would far outweigh any profits made from the government selling it.

    There you go.

    so whats your excuse for being dumb?


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    #866
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    pathtohome wrote: »
    http://www.nda.ie/cntmgmtnew.nsf/0/A3CFE76BE6EE5B7080257117005B2A1B/$File/disability_research_conference_12.htm

    Without establishing how(if at all and then how much) Cannabis intake actually effects Schizophrenia that's pretty worthless.


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    #867
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    pathtohome wrote: »
    http://www.nda.ie/cntmgmtnew.nsf/0/A3CFE76BE6EE5B7080257117005B2A1B/$File/disability_research_conference_12.htm

    I don't see the link to cannibas in the bit you quoted, maybe I'm too dumb:o


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    #868
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    so what is everyones philosophy on liberty?


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    #869
    pathtohome
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭pathtohome


    Boombastic wrote: »
    I don't see the link to cannibas in the bit you quoted, maybe I'm too dumb:o
    Gbear wrote: »
    Without establishing how(if at all and then how much) Cannabis intake actually effects Schizophrenia that's pretty worthless.

    http://www.nda.ie/cntmgmtnew.nsf/0/A3CFE76BE6EE5B7080257117005B2A1B/$File/disability_research_conference_12.htm
    Over 75,000 people in Ireland have a psychotic condition. Of these more than 35,000 have schizophrenia making it the most common form of psychosis. Each year in Ireland more than 1,300, predominately young people, develop psychosis. This condition has enormous personal costs to the individual and their family. Additionally the economic costs of schizophrenia alone are estimated to be between 1 and 3% of the total health budget. The indirect costs through loss of employment, drop-out from education and other factors are up to seven times this.

    ...

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0508/breaking32.html
    The use of cannabis during adolescence increases the risk of developing schizophrenia, a study by researchers at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland has found.

    There were physical changes in the areas of the brain implicated in the use of schizophrenia following the use of cannabis during adolescence, the research published in Nature's Neuropsychopharmacology journal has found.

    The use of cannabis by teenagers can cause changes to the brain by interacting with the COMT gene, the research has shown.

    The COMT gene provides instructions for making an enzyme which breaks down dopamine, the neurotransmitter which controls the brain's pleasure and reward centres.

    It was the first study to show the combined effects of the gene with adolescence cannabis use can change parts of the brain associated with schizophrenia, the study's lead author Dr Áine Behan,of the RSCI Department of Physiology said.

    The study showed that “genetic, developmental and environmental factors interact” to adjust brain function in schizophrenia. Dr Behan said the study supported previous behavioural research.

    “Increased knowledge on the effects of cannabis on the brain is critical to understanding youth mental health both in terms of psychological and psychiatric well-being,” Dr Behan said.

    Three areas of the brain assessed in this study, which was carried out on mice, were found to show changes in cell size, density and protein levels.


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    #870
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    The use of cannabis during adolescence increases the risk of developing schizophrenia, a study by researchers at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland has found.

    No one thinks that adolescence should be takeing cannabis. :confused:

    Can we please keep the argement to adults.


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    #871
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    crazy cabbage wrote: »
    No one thinks that adolescence should be takeing cannabis. :confused:

    Can we please keep the argement to adults.

    Study was carried out on mice. No one is suggesting mice should be smoking cannibas either:)


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