Priest says priests are often seduced by children?

Tombi! · 02-09-2012 12:58AM

Pottler wrote: »

Shit happens. It's how we deal with it that makes the difference. You were probably flirting wildly anyway, according to Fr Grubscrew.:D

Well uh... those shorts were from my job in a strip club. Some kids are forced to work full time you know!

Pottler · 02-09-2012 01:00AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well uh... those shorts were from my job in a strip club. Some kids are forced to work full time you know!

Harridan!

Tombi! · 02-09-2012 01:02AM

Pottler wrote: »

Harridan!

Now, if only there was a term that described the victim seducer, you could do with defending these lads in court!

mackg · 02-09-2012 01:04AM

Jesus sorry to hear that, glad you got over it and hope they caught your man.

Tombi! · 02-09-2012 01:09AM

mackg wrote: »

sorry to hear that, glad you got over it and hope they caught your man.

I had a little convo with Millicent a while back in the thread about yer man caught looking at cartoon child porn.

Long story short: I didn't know him at all since I was about 6 or 7 at the time and it was literally a one off and it's a lot of bollocks to explain; I was a kid so you can understand why I didn't come forward with it

Basically I'd rather your man be cured of what he needed to do (what he did to me) and I'd be happier than seeing the poor fecker in jail.
But that's just me; I'm sure thousands would scream for his head.
Just difference of opinion and all

mackg · 02-09-2012 01:54AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I had a little convo with Millicent a while back in the thread about yer man caught looking at cartoon child porn.

Long story short: I didn't know him at all since I was about 6 or 7 at the time and it was literally a one off and it's a lot of bollocks to explain; I was a kid so you can understand why I didn't come forward with it

Basically I'd rather your man be cured of what he needed to do (what he did to me) and I'd be happier than seeing the poor fecker in jail.
But that's just me; I'm sure thousands would scream for his head.
Just difference of opinion and all

Way I'd see it, cure away but he committed a crime and should do his time for it. He has urges but he still has willpower. Whatever they do with him if he's attacking kids he needs to be off the street. I'm not the sort that wants to see him killed/castrated with a spoon/raped in prison either.

Tombi! · 02-09-2012 02:05AM

mackg wrote: »

Way I'd see it, cure away but he committed a crime and should do his time for it. He has urges but he still has willpower. Whatever they do with him if he's attacking kids he needs to be off the street. I'm not the sort that wants to see him killed/castrated with a spoon/raped in prison either.

Difference of opinion

Honestly, I get entirely where you're coming from.

Show Time · 02-09-2012 10:05AM

The quicker Irish and World society is rid of the kiddie fiddling scum from Rome the better. The governments of the world would do better to out law this sick lot and distribute their wealth to the countries of the world.

dharma200 · 02-09-2012 10:14AM

what I found more unbeleivable in this interview, the priest says that he feels first time abusers should not be given jail., as they did not mean to do the abusing.

In my opinion if first time abusers were given heavy heavy sentences, then there would be no second time.

The 'oh lets wait and see does the poor fellow do it again' is exactly why people like Cardinal brady should be locked up along with all the abusers who were alolowed to perpetrate crimes to children over and over again.

Profiler · 02-09-2012 10:17AM

What's even worse about this attitude is how the Church and the scumbag Pedo protecting lawyers who defend them have used this, Child seduced the Priest, defense in court.

Someone plucks up the courage to take their abuser to court seeking justice and then they get put through that. The priest abuses them and then lawyer attacks them.

"My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be.”... that near fatal car crash wasn't near fatal enough Mr Groeschel.

Still, not too worry, father time will finish that job soon enough and when it's done, may you be greeted in person by the Devil himself at the gates of hell.

shopaholic01 · 02-09-2012 10:32AM

His example was a man having a nervous breakdown. Were all priests having nervous breakdowns throughout all the years they abused children? Remarkable that they could still continue with their duties in the midst of such prolonged breakdowns.

The sad thing is that this might well be the opinion of many in the RCC. It might explain why they felt justified in silencing victims for so long.

demanufactured · 02-09-2012 10:49AM

The lot of them should be lined up and shot.....simple solution .

Actor · 02-09-2012 11:03AM

demanufactured wrote: »

The lot of them should be lined up and shot.....simple solution .

If you said that about Jews, you'd be banned instantly.

RobbingBandit · 02-09-2012 11:11AM

Rev. Benedict Groeschel. Chris Hansen and Dateline are coming to get you.

desertcircus · 02-09-2012 11:12AM

Actor wrote: »

demanufactured wrote: »

The lot of them should be lined up and shot.....simple solution .

If you said that about Jews, you'd be banned instantly.

What on earth does that have to do with anything? The discussion is about priests who commit or attempt to excuse child sexual abuse. Can you really not tell the moral difference between child rapists and Jews?

Actor · 02-09-2012 11:13AM

desertcircus wrote: »

What on earth does that have to do with anything? The discussion is about priests who commit or attempt to excuse child sexual abuse. Can you really not tell the moral difference between child rapists and Jews?

The reason I highlight it is that it demonstrates that anti-Catholicism is par for the course on boards.ie.

Do you think all priests should be "lined up and shot"?

shopaholic01 · 02-09-2012 11:17AM

Actor wrote: »

The reason I highlight it is that it demonstrates that anti-Catholicism is par for the course on boards.ie

It's more an anti-paedophile sentiment.

That being said, the RCC knowingly covered up years of extreme child abuse so it is open to criticism and rightly so.

There is a difference between criticising the RCC as an organisation and criticising an individual's religious beliefs.

You just edited your post after I quoted - I think people are calling for the punishment of all those involved in clerical abuse - the perpetrators and those who helped cover it up, not all priests.

Actor · 02-09-2012 11:22AM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

It's more an anti-paedophile sentiment.

Let's ask the poster to make that very clear then, shall we?

shopaholic01 wrote: »

That being said, the RCC knowingly covered up years of extreme child abuse so it is open to criticism and rightly so.

Not all priests and bishops are paedophiles. And not all paedophilia is restricted to the Catholic Church (most paedophilia occurs within the family home).

shopaholic01 wrote: »

There is a difference between criticising the RCC as an organisation and criticising an individual's religious beliefs.

The comment was inappropriate.

Motorist · 02-09-2012 11:22AM

I think the priest is awkwardly pointing that children have a sexuality also. It doesn't just appear when they are of the legal age of consent. Referring to them as a seducer when they have had contact with a paedophile is obviously ridiculous though.

Show Time · 02-09-2012 11:24AM

He is only making more excuses for this cult of evil.

Actor · 02-09-2012 11:24AM

Show Time wrote: »

He is only making more excuses for this cult of evil.

Here we go again. Yet more anti-Catholicism. Are there no mods on this morning?

shopaholic01 · 02-09-2012 11:27AM

Actor wrote: »

Not all priests and bishops are paedophiles. And not all paedophilia is restricted to the Catholic Church (most paedophilia occurs within the family home).

Yes, I acknowledged that. We all know that paedophilia is common outside the chutch, but this thread is in response to a comment that children encouraged abuse from priests.

Actor wrote: »

The comment was inappropriate.

How so?

Actor · 02-09-2012 11:29AM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

How so?

Do you agree that comments calling for people to be "lined up and shot" is inappropriate?

shopaholic01 · 02-09-2012 11:37AM

shopaholic01 wrote: »

You just edited your post after I quoted - I think people are calling for the punishment of all those involved in clerical abuse - the perpetrators and those who helped cover it up, not all priests.

Actor wrote: »

Do you agree that comments calling for people to be "lined up and shot" is inappropriate?

I quoted my own response so clarify. Those involved in any way sould be punished. The 'lined up and shot' remark may not have been meant literally - this is after hours. However anyone involved in paedophilis should be punished, both clerical and lay people.

The anger towards paedophilia in the church is justified, we were brought up to trust priests, their actions are in direct conflict with the teachings of catholicism and it was covered up for years.

No, I personally do not think they should be lined up and shot, I would opt for chemical castration.

Corkfeen · 02-09-2012 11:44AM

Actor wrote: »

shopaholic01 wrote: »

How so?

Do you agree that comments calling for people to be "lined up and shot" is inappropriate?

While I would not endorse the death penalty for anyone. It is an emotive issue for everyone, that the church's authorities engaged in a large scale cover up yet managed to avoid all forms of punishment including the paying of compensation.. You may believe it to be anti-Catholic(the organisation perhaps) but it is based on the actions of the moral authority in the RCC.

Why aren't you responding to the subject of the priest claiming that those who claim to be molested are supposedly seducing the priest. I'd consider his idiocy to be far more worrying that he would prefer to claim that the organisation is incapable of doing wrong and victim blame instead.

Biggins · 02-09-2012 12:31PM

Rather than have two threads about priests, I'll just post this here: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3525880.ece

Police have obtained a European Arrest Warrant for a Catholic cleric accused of historic sex offences who failed to answer bail, they said today.
They have gained the warrant for Father Laurence Soper, who is wanted over allegations of child abuse dating back to when he taught at St Benedict’s School, a private independent Catholic school which is part of Ealing Abbey in west London.

...Fr Soper, who was abbot of Ealing Abbey from 1991 to 2000, was believed to have been living in a monastery in Rome, and was due to return to London to answer bail in March last year.
However he failed to show up... “It is believed he may be in Italy"

Now I wonder what part of Italy is that!

shopaholic01 · 02-09-2012 01:06PM

Biggins wrote: »

Rather than have two threads about priests, I'll just post this here: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3525880.ece

Now I wonder what part of Italy is that!

Hmmmmm, let's think about this logically ....................... apparently all roads lead to Rome;).

EZ24GET · 03-09-2012 02:36AM

Anyone who abuses sexually- I did say abuses not talking about consensual sexual behavior between adults- should be reported and legally punished. This includes unwanted sexual activities aimed toward adults. Recently some prominent people have voiced the opinion that there exists legitimate rape, as opposed to what? illegitimate rape?? Rape is rape. Rapists no matter who they are, no matter from what community they come, regardless of wealth or social standing, should be punished for their criminal behavior - not protected.

Show Time · 03-09-2012 10:54AM

Actor wrote: »

Here we go again. Yet more anti-Catholicism. Are there no mods on this morning?

What would you call a cult that has their way with the youngest and weakest element of society time after time and continue to deny or cover it up????

EZ24GET · 03-09-2012 03:11PM

I believe those who prey on children seek jobs and vocations that place them in positions with access and authority over children. priests, pastors, youth ministers, teachers, counselors etc. None of these professions can be painted with a broad brush. What I object to in the instance of the priesthood is the denial and cover up. The catholic church is not the only organization to cover up these cases but it is a major player. In some cases it may be a reluctance to take financial responsibility, but to many moving priests from place to place, still allowing their access to young children seems to be acceptance of this crime against children. I realize that cover ups are not limited to the catholic church and it is not my intention to bash the church, but I do believe that if you set your self up as being morally above the common man you should accept a higher degree of responsibility.

Priest says priests are often seduced by children?

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