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Traveller woman beaten to death in Louth.**Mod warning in post 1**

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  • #32
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    RIP to the victim and condoleces to her family.
    Hopefully the Gardai will catch those responsible quickly.
    By all accounts this was a quiet decent family (according to those in the area) who caused no trouble no offence to those around them.


  • #33
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    I put the fact that she was a traveler in the title because she was a member of the travelling community and to stop a million and one threads being started about the same topic.

    Is that a generalization? No its a fact.

    No speculation is a rule we enforce in a lot of threads like this.

    Fair enough. Fwiw, I wasn't suggesting that you were generalising. I just meant that including that bit in the title could easily lead to others doing so or assuming that it was somehow pertinent to her being killed.


  • #34
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    Beating someone to death like that is just unimaginable, pure savagery.
    Hopefully this doesn't escalate already poor tensions into an even worse fude as it always seem to be the more innocent on each side that suffer most.


  • #35
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    According to the newspaper reports her family has been involved in a violent feud for a long time. Some incidents related to the feud would be the Dalton Park riot a few years back and the grenade attack in Navan last year. Anyone from Mullingar or Navan will be able to cite many more incidents.

    According to the Herald there was a big family gathering in the Red Cow on Tuesday at which many involved in the feud attended. Not long afterwards this woman was supposedly beaten to death at her home. The prime suspect is reported to be someone known to her and also someone who has been heavily involved in the feud.

    So people can make their own conclusions from the newspaper reports.

    I don't think anyone can deny that the traveller culture has become a very violent one. The feuding and the bare knuckle boxing is well documented. It's very unusual for women to be involved in this though, other than in a purely supportive role. So if indeed this woman was killed as part of the feud it means the violence has escalated to a new level. And if the family decide not to cooperate with the investigation, you can expect some serious retaliation. It's unlikely this feud will be solved with fair fights.


  • #36
    Monty Burnz
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    34 year old man arrested in connection with the murder. I'm inclined to wonder if her husband is 34, same as she was.


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  • #37
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    MagicSean wrote: »
    According to the newspaper reports her family has been involved in a violent feud for a long time. Some incidents related to the feud would be the Dalton Park riot a few years back and the grenade attack in Navan last year. Anyone from Mullingar or Navan will be able to cite many more incidents.

    According to the Herald there was a big family gathering in the Red Cow on Tuesday at which many involved in the feud attended. Not long afterwards this woman was supposedly beaten to death at her home. The prime suspect is reported to be someone known to her and also someone who has been heavily involved in the feud.

    So people can make their own conclusions from the newspaper reports.

    I don't think anyone can deny that the traveller culture has become a very violent one. The feuding and the bare knuckle boxing is well documented. It's very unusual for women to be involved in this though, other than in a purely supportive role. So if indeed this woman was killed as part of the feud it means the violence has escalated to a new level. And if the family decide not to cooperate with the investigation, you can expect some serious retaliation. It's unlikely this feud will be solved with fair fights.
    Could you please link to these newspaper reports, Sean?


  • #38
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Most of those quotes are in here

    http://www.herald.ie/news/suspect-in-murder-of-movie-mum-jacqui-tried-to-attack-priest-3215114.html


  • #39
    MagicSean
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Could you please link to these newspaper reports, Sean?

    Well my thread was locked so I can't link my post but they are listed here in post 1 and 9. And the others have been quoted here already.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056741105


  • #40
    SocSocPol
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    34 year old man arrested in connection with the murder. I'm inclined to wonder if her husband is 34, same as she was.
    Reports on the news had her husband as 42 initially, I could be wrong though.


  • #41
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I don't think anyone can deny that the traveller culture has become a very violent one. The feuding and the bare knuckle boxing is well documented. It's very unusual for women to be involved in this though, other than in a purely supportive role. So if indeed this woman was killed as part of the feud it means the violence has escalated to a new level. And if the family decide not to cooperate with the investigation, you can expect some serious retaliation. It's unlikely this feud will be solved with fair fights.

    I have to agree. Any time I've heard of any violent incident that was committed by someone in the traveller community (And I'm not saying all travellers are violent. they're not. I'm just saying that any time an incident has been reported) , it's pretty much always been a male perpertrator. Women can occasionally have a go at other women, but I've never heard of a male participating in a violent act against any female member of the traveller community.

    I have no idea if this is the kind of thing they would cooperate with law enforcement with. But if I were responsable, I think I'd feel safer in police custody.


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  • #42
    Monty Burnz
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Reports on the news had her husband as 42 initially, I could be wrong though.
    If he is, that would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons.


  • #43
    ITS_A_BADGER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭ITS_A_BADGER


    IF it was someone from a rival family this is really gonna escalate things between them and more then likely more frequent and more violent clashes in the future.


    R.I.P


  • #44
    2Scoops
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Reports on the news had her husband as 42 initially, I could be wrong though.

    In Knuckle, it says the husband was 18y at their wedding in 1997.


  • #45
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    2Scoops wrote: »
    In Knuckle, it says the husband was 18y at their wedding in 1997.
    Like I said, I could be wrong.
    For the sake of the children I hope its not a case of dad killing mum, terrible scenario for any family.


  • #46
    tayto lover
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    34 year old man arrested in connection with the murder. I'm inclined to wonder if her husband is 34, same as she was.

    Nail on head, i'd say.


  • #47
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Nail on head, i'd say.

    He was arrested in Dublin. I'd wonder about the husband being in Dublin the day after the murder of his wife. Surely he'd still be helping local Gardai with their investigations?


  • #48
    OnTheCounter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭OnTheCounter


    I suspect the reason it has been mentioned is that her death is more than likely related to an ongoing traveller feud in Finglas.

    I have never heard of a female traveller being attacked by a male member of another family but its likely that it wouldnt be known outside the community if it had happened.

    if the person in custody is charged with this murder i cant imagine they will be safe in any irish prison.

    is there any speculation about which family the suspect belongs to?

    its sickening to hear about the brutality of the attack on a defenceless woman.

    if the suspect is convicted of her murder i would have no sympathy for anything that happens to him but i hope the families dont start an all out war over the actions of what has been reported to be a mentally fcuked person. Throw him to the wolves to save the lives of the young lads in both families.


  • #49
    OnTheCounter
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    Jesus folks use your heads, the suspect was arrested in Dublin, the husband was at the house. Its not the husband in custody.


  • #50
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Grayson wrote: »
    I've never heard of a male participating in a violent act against any female member of the traveller community.

    Are you serious?


  • #51
    tayto lover
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    He was arrested in Dublin. I'd wonder about the husband being in Dublin the day after the murder of his wife. Surely he'd still be helping local Gardai with their investigations?

    He is custody in Dundalk now afaik. Local grapevine.
    Nothing to do with any fued.


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  • #52
    MagicSean
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    from reading the Herald it sounds like the suspect travelled with them to Dundalk. If that's the case it's more likely to have been a domestic argument.


  • #53
    MagicSean
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    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    Are you serious?

    i think he means outside of a domestic setting.


  • #54
    tayto lover
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    from reading the Herald it sounds like the suspect travelled with them to Dundalk. If that's the case it's more likely to have been a domestic argument.

    It was a domestic alright i'm told locally.


  • #55
    MagicSean
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    It was a domestic alright i'm told locally.

    It doesn't necessarily exclude it from being related to the feud as that was between close family members. It drove quite a wedge through them. If it wasn't in anyway related to the feud then it may actually play a part in ending it, or at least calming it down.

    It's still very unusual for this kind of attack on a woman within the traveller community. I can think of only one or two plausable scenarios that would cause it.


  • #56
    tayto lover
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    It doesn't necessarily exclude it from being related to the feud as that was between close family members. It drove quite a wedge through them. If it wasn't in anyway related to the feud then it may actually play a part in ending it, or at least calming it down.

    It's still very unusual for this kind of attack on a woman within the traveller community. I can think of only one or two plausable scenarios that would cause it.

    Not related to any fued. A domestic. All will be revealed in time.


  • #57
    later12
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not related to any fued. A domestic. All will be revealed in time.
    Hello!
    Are you by any chance Mystic Meg?


  • #58
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    later12 wrote: »
    Hello!
    Are you by any chance Mystic Meg?

    No but it's common knowledge locally. I live close to that estate.


  • #59
    stuar
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    It was her husband arrested, local knowledge. 100%


  • #60
    SocSocPol
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    stuar wrote: »
    It was her husband arrested, local knowledge. 100%
    If it's true then it's sad,sad for the three kids who have just lost their mam, because of the violence of their dad.My thoughts would be with them.If it is true.


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  • #61
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Anyone else noticing how few thanks the sympathy posts are getting in comparison to normal threads?


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