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The search for historical artifact's of lion's fighting tigers
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09-08-2012 12:25amHowdy to all the Archeologist out there I had conducted a search for historical artifact's protaining to the conflict's o lion's and tiger's of the past, I was wondering if anyone had anymore picture's to add to my list of any culture....
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You can find them on the same conteinent i india, place's like Persia, Goona, palamau, the gengis river, Himalaya, Gir forest an many other place's there territory's over-laped. They were imported to many counrty's like Rome, Britain, China, japan, pretty much the biggest country's in the world.
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Well there would be a time limit of those images considering the extinction of the lion in many areas where tigers now exist. Interestingly though in all those images the lion seems to be winning. Where they have met in captive situations the tiger nearly always came out on top.0
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To: Steddy teddy
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Hmmm, thats funny, the last time I checked the tiger had only a little over 30 times won threw out history an 80% were of [male] tigers killing [female] lions. While lions have the exact opposite of that, theres around a little over a 120 accounts of lions killing tigers an 80% were of female an male lions killing male tigers.
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So I dont know where your getting your numbers from buddie, but that ratio an percent is basically is in the same range of the artifacts, which theres only 4 artifacts for the tiger an as you can see above 50 for the lion, that in no way can be coincidence that the sum reaches almost the same numbers of...
30<120= 8/10 times an 4<50 9/10 times the lion has killed the tiger.
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Unless you can produce more than 30 accounts the tiger has killed the lion than its still at 8/10 times the lion has [already] won for thousands of years.0 -
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A Bengal tiger has killed a lion at Ankara Zoo after finding a gap in the fence separating their cages, say zoo officials in the Turkish capital.
The tiger severed the lion's jugular vein in a single stroke with its paw, leaving the animal dying in a pool of blood, officials said.
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@ Cork boy 55
A wiki Page, thats it? Try this on for size...
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{Recorded Historical Document’s of Lion’s Killing Tiger account’s}
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1.Genius books/Animal facts, Lion named Nero killed Tim the tiger in
an Australian zoo – Documentary.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigeratzoo.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52688717?searchTerm=
2.1936 Agartala zoo in bengal, a lion kills a male tiger.
When a connecting door between two cages was left open at Agartala, Bengal, by a forgetful zoo attendant, a very large tiger charged its neighbor, a lion. The fight was ferocious, but did not last long, the lion literally tearing the tiger to pieces.”
(Local news report)
3.1935 Sikestonians saw a lion kill a siberian tiger in a local town circus
act.(Documentary)
http://newspaperarchive.com/danville-bee/1935-09-16/
4. 2 tigers died, In the the big cage tiger from a lion-(Video)
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f4826dc5d50606ed235b18234caf25ad70d5e4a2_r.jpg
which clyde beatty is talking about lion’s in general… when they are intermidiate family they will gang up on other lions an or tiger’s, other than that, lion’s will not help another lion, and are exellent free for all fighter’s an all clyde beatty’s fight’s for the movie was one on one by properganda’s of the director of the movie.
5.1955 oct, 6 Naturual history society, Page 465-468, 3 separate
accounts lion won all 3.(Documentary)
6.1960 Korea pit fights Male lions won majority of all fights refferrenced by zoo keeper lee young phil.(Hidden news Report)
http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html
lee young phil statement said, there were a few tiger and lion fight’s staged an recorded, and only one that the female tigris fought the lioness was aired in the colloection of animal fight’s… with harsh wording’s of the korean narrirator saying, the lioness was no match for there symbol of power, yet it was a 50/50 fight having the tiger the one bleeding to death. Also saying they were edited an spliced in favor of the tiger, which if there were more than a few male fight’s recorded, why werent they ever shown. It is highly concluded the male lion’s won all, an the video’s were destroyed due to cultrual idlelization’s of the korean’s. Here’s the other alibi to that same fight here…
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HA28Dg01.html
7.1981 Martin. L Albert witnessed a lion kill a siberian tiger.(Documentary)
8.1954 Lion kills tiger with one blow in Boltimore zoo.(Documentary)
9.1935 In the town Bedford, Masachusetts a zoo lost a tiger to a
lion. “A lion and a tiger battled to the death here. The lion won. When Biller Brothers Circus moved on to its next stop, it left behind the carcass of the loser, a tiger weighing a little over a quarter of a ton.”
~Guinness book of animal fact and feat
10.Gir foreset 3 tigers vs 3 lions, all lions won an lion #2 mauled the male tiger. (Video) -Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdpiIxMnMM
11.2011 two teen lions killed a adult male Bengal tiger in an
enclosure.(Video)- Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNlRBGq3rmk
The story was one of the worker’s were on break, an went down the road to a store taking the key’s to the gate an car they usually break up minor scruffle’s with, , when two… 1.5 year old boy cub’s chased around an harrased a adult male bengal tiger, until he colapsed from exaustion,
http://i.imgur.com/rUyZN.jpg
He tried despertaly to protect himself,…
http://i.imgur.com/8zr8Q.jpg
but the two 1.5 year old brother’s showed no mercy, the tiger roared with hurendous moan’s in agony, after on looker’s shouted for the lion’s to stop shortly after one got a hold of his throat an took his life…
http://i.imgur.com/sApCb.jpg
12 King Edward the lion kill’s Dan the male tiger. (Book)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight3.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/tigerandlionfight4.jpg
13.Calcutta zooligical garden’s a lioness kills a adult male tiger (New’s article)
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessfightswithatiger.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionessdefeatstiger.jpg
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=GRA18960323.2.25
14.Gambier bulton, brittish mengerine saw a lioness kill a tiger.(New’s article)
15.1925 Rudolf kludsky had said several lions had killed his tiger’s.Several mean’s more than 4= A few years later, Rudolf Kludsky again decided to train a mixed group (22 animals). Mistake. It took three months to get them used to each other. But they were not yet ready to perform. During one of the first shows, the nervous and inexperienced animals engaged in a free for all. One tiger was killed by a lion. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
1925, Rudolf Kludsky trains this mixed group of lions and tigers in the stadium or Turin. In the same year each group of species had to be separated as the lions oftentimes attacked the tiger and even killed several specimens.
http://squaresolid.tumblr.com/
16. M. Herbert’s mengerine lion kills male royal bengal tiger. (New’s article)
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionkillstiger-1.jpg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/828442?searchTerm
17.1970 pittsburgh Press lion kill’s male tiger in india.(Video)
18. Mr F.c owner of bowstock had a lion kill a male tiger before his act.
(New’s article)
19.1949 in fitchburg a lion kill’s Roger the male siberian tiger in circus act. 500 Pound Circus Lion Arrives In Fitchburg Today After Killing Huge Tiger. The incident, as related today by the trainer of "cats," who has been engaged in this daring business for 29 years or since he was nine years of age took place before the end of the act.The prince, who boasts of partial American parentage, his mother being a native of the United States and his father a Spaniard, said that the battle lasted but five or six minutes.”
Fitchburg, Mass, Friday, June 3, 1949 (New’s article)
20. 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” a lion killed a tiger witnessed by local native’s of India an German Zoologist’s.
~(German new’s atricle)
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/topic/2388/Velar-Male-Lion-vs-Royal-Bengal-Tiger-valauble-rare-account-
21.1985 Alan gold’s circus lion kill’s male tigerAlan Gold also had a mixed group. In 1985, a free for all erupted. He lost two lions and one tiger. The lions were killed by other lions. The tiger was killed by a lion. Gold, regarding the way both cats fight, compared to Beatty. He stated lions fight in a calculated way, where as tigers, in a free for all, are nervous and vulnarable. Source=Tiger fan named Peter Yuku.com
22. Lion kills siberian tiger: in a circus act (February 1951. Detroit).
23. Lioness kills siberian tiger: Happened in a zoo (September 1951. Madras Zoological Gardens).
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
http://animalsversesanimals.yuku.com/sreply/8061/t/Some-new-accounts-just-for-fun-.html
24. Dave hoover tiger’{s} killed by lion’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers2.jpg
25. Beatty-cole lion’s kill 2 tiger’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg
26.Clyde beatty’s circus act Ceasar the lion kill’s bobby the tiger.
“Down sprang Caesar, determined to seize the offensive, but before he could do so, Bobby had battled his way through Caesar's paws, grabbed his mane so stubbornly that he couldn't move. For the next couple of minutes each struggled and strained for an advantage, but Bobby's hold was so tenacious that they only succeeded in twisting a little. With the cameras continuing to grind and getting nothing but a little harmless tug of war… Energy spent, the exhausted Bobby tried to roll away from Caesar, but Caesar's hold now was as firm as Bobby's which had been on his mane. Seeing this turn in affairs, I dashed into the cage. Already Caesar's jaws had crunched Bobby's neck and when I got there Caesar was shaking Bobby's limp, bloody head and throat from side to side. Bobby's eyes were turning starey. He was dead and it was only two minutes since I was keenly sorry that I had done it, but in thinking it over I became convinced that my part had been negligible. The lion is frequently the superior; he doubtless would have been the winner in this case no matter what I had done.”
27. Bavenna, OH, Lioness kills tigress
28. 2008 Cheongi the lion kills siberian tigress name Hobi jeonju zoo. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/166/748tb0.jpg/
An this is Hobi after the incident with cheongi, the not so friendly lion…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/117_36355.html
29. 2006 lion kill’s huge siberian white tigress in leberic and czech zoo. There was only one bite mark on Isabella’s throat an no other wound’s concluding even though 2 lion’s occupied the same encloser with isbella the tiger, only one lion attacked isabella.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2009-11-19-Czech-Republic_N.htm
30. Lion kills Puna the male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-80.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/Image-81.jpg
31. A lion kills a tiger in a pit fight on a palace compound of an indian maharajah prince in front of thousand’s this is not the gir fight.
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It’s on this site called tiger territory, on lairweb .com here…
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/
32, TIGER; THE STORY OF THE INDIAN TIGER 1977 By well known Indian Zologist Kailash Sankhala. Saw four accasion’s lion’s defeated tigers in the wild.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-n1cZ9FyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
His book was taken from his oringinal text here…
http://bks4.books.google.de/books?id=3_baAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&source=gbs_api
33. Jam sahib well respected of 40 year’s of zoology of lion’s and tiger’s in india has wittnessed 3 fights having all lion defeat tiger’s in his book here…
http://shared.knights.co.uk/albums/KSAMar12/images/lot0706.jpg
Also in his summary, when he exploited keshari singh he point’s them out again here…
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
34. 1834 diary of a literature lion defeat’s tiger.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/liondefeatstiger.png
35. A lion kills a bear and tiger in 1 fight.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png
37. Bob greene speak’s of an old video of local’s of india having a pit fight with a lion fighting a tiger, and the lion won, due to his mane…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/books-2.png
38. The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage. There is one instance I remember where a full grown lion and very large tiger engaged in combat, by unforeseen chance of course. It was when the John O’ Brien Show had its winter quarters in Philadelphia and I was connected with it. “A lion and a tiger were in a compartment cage, with a partition between. In some manner this partition was battered down in the night and the two big fellow’s got together. They had probably been issuing challenges to each other and promising what they would do to one another if the chance came. When morning arrived we found the two in the lion’s cage, the tiger dead and the lion all chew and clawed to pieces, but still full of fight.”
~George Conklln, “Adventures With a Circus”
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
39.Another lion kills male tiger(Fort Wayne Gazette, 1882
40. Male lion kills male tiger, The Hammond Times, 1935 ,
41.Male tiger killed by a lion (Tri-City Herald, 1956 ,
42.Adult male tiger was killed by a male lion , F. Jefferies, 1834
43. Lion kills male tiger, Fort Wayne, 1902
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NEW YORK. Nov. 2. -Tradition that the tiger is a better animal then the lion in a fight has been disproved as Sr. Nicholas Garden, where one of the biggest striped denizens of the Bengal jungles is suffering from rips and tears inflicted upon him by one of the late king of the South Africa forests. The press agent did not give this story out. Probably he would lose his job if he had, for Bostock is careful to suppress any news tending to show that his animals ever exhibit sanguinary instincts when in the arena. The two big cats in question were brought together several days ago to become familiarized with each other for purposes of a contemplated act in the show ring. The tiger walked nervously up to the lion and began rubbing his nose over the latter's haunches. A low growl was the response. But when the tiger inserted his teeth in the lion's mane, Leo uttered a roar, unmasked his ivories and crouched. The tiger retreated a few feet and then sprang high in the air, intending to come down on the lion. But Leo deftly side-stepped and when the tiger alighted he grabbed it by the head. A twisting of the teeth and a large section of the tiger's face, including one eye, was gone. The trainers and attendants now tried to separate the beasts, which for several minutes rolled over and over each other, snarling, roaring, biting and scratching. Finally they were separated. The tiger, mutilated and bleeding, cowered in a corner, while the lion was defiant in another.
FORT WAYNE MORNING JOURNAL GAZETTE, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1902.
44,lion kills male tiger Syracuse Herald, 1929
http://newspaperarchive.com/syracuse-herald/1929-09-15/page-84/
45.,lion kills tiger O. Breland, 1963
.A Lioness slew a male Bengal Tiger (Ward, Lock, Bowden, 1896 )
46.Animal reserve:Lion kills 2 tigers one juvi siberian tiger and 1 adult bengal tiger, an had another lion whiped 2 tigers in the same cage…
...I seen a african lion maul our adolescent male Siberian tiger to death. The adolescent was a year old. It is extremely sad that these fights are used for entertainment but at the same time I was awed to see one lion defeat two large tigers with all 3 animals in the cage at the same time.
-My teammates and I were transporting a male African Lion into a cage neighboring a Bengal Tigers cage in Kenya. There was a small opening in between the two cages for intermingling of neighboring animals. It was supposed to be closed at the time but someone forgot to close it. The lion sprang from the transportation container through the opening and mauled the tiger of similar size. We tranquilized the lion but it was too late. Two days later, the tiger died due to fatal wounds. It was a very one sided fight where the lion spent much time chasing the tiger.
http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview/junglebook/14687797%28p5%29
47. lion kills male tiger
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/lionkillstigerinafight.jpg
48. lion kills male tiger Logansport Press, November 15., 1934
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount2.jpg
49. "A lion slaps on the face of a tiger as they fight for the control of a pool at a zoo in Nanjing, east Chinas Jiangsu province July 18, 2004. The lion finally occupied the cool water of the pool in the summer heat wave after it defeated its challenger in two minutes."
~Peoples Daily Online
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount31.jpg?t=1312670134
50. lion kills tiger ~Coventry Evening Telegraph, 25. of september 1903
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount1.jpg
51. Thrill’s at Galore lion kills tiger
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount5.jpg?t=1312674003
52. lion kills tiger "The Jungle behind Bars" by Courtney Ryley Cooper
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/liontigeraccount10.jpg
53. lion kills three tiger’s Source: Altoona Mirror, September 27., 1928
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/lionvstigeraccount4.jpg
54. Lion kills another tiger source: The Herald
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18991223.2.87
55.lion kills tiger in Roman arena
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/books-2.png
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http://books.google.com/books?id=6zG_SuhbQWcC&pg=PA254&dq=The+amphitheatre+had+grown+so+still,+that+the+clear+melody+of+the+flute+was+distinctly+audible+over+the+whole+vast+space.+As+soon+as+the+disturbance+ceased,+the+king+of+the+beast,+apparently+untroubled+by+the+new+visitor&hl=en&ei=RdhKTs6-KoTV0QH0ooXrBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20amphitheatre%20had%20grown%20so%20still%2C%20that%20the%20clear%20melody%20of%20the%20flute%20was%20distinctly%20audible%20over%20the%20whole%20vast%20space.%20As%20soon%20as%20the%20disturbance%20ceased%2C%20the%20king%20of%20the%20beast%2C%20apparently%20untroubled%20by%20the%20new%20visitor&f=false
57. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it's ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses.
The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced. There are 3 films that have been made about fights between a male lion and male tiger and in all three the lion won. 'Lion-Tiger Fight', 1930's, Castle Films (16 mm) is a short documentary about a fight between a lion and a tiger which occurred during an expedition to capture some tigers in the Gir region of India (The only place where you can find lions and tigers living together).
http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm
58. lion kills male tiger in pit fight
http://books.google.com/books?id=LyesAyRMj1MC&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q_nlCbHve1&sig=6aJ9sku6f0_rPCbpHI4vcsZho-0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3oAGULKfI4qO2wXAzqWSBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg
59. 1957 Frankfurt Zoological Gardens,
a free for all erupted at performance of 10 big cats 8 lions an 2 tiger’s the 2 tigers were killed by the lion’s and 2 lions were killed by the remaining 6.
Animal facts and feats: a Guinness record of the animal kingdom
60. Lost Atlantis Or the Great Deluge of All
And slew before their wond'ring sight, A wild beast conquered in the fight. A tiger
who confronting stood And from this lion sought for blood ; But in this sanguinary
strife The tiger sacrificed his life. While with flesh torn from slaughtered prey, ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=VwzA4gENNOUC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=lions+slew+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=9CU5hIxytT&sig=EqyrCd5x1yafy2uDAgC3hUqvWz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1Y8IUOuPJqrq2AXKwcTPBw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
61. The lion mangles in his lair the tiger of the east
http://books.google.com/books?id=j8hZAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA563&lpg=PA563&dq=lion+fights+combat+tiger++dead+abu&source=bl&ots=Fdgs65WC2_&sig=H7vWueW753wdCAb9rkRSImuqoKs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MnQGUJaIHKGQ2QWN7PW_BQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA
http://c48743.r43.cf3.rackcdn.com/Images/2009_04/08/0003/147355/147355_c40ec03c-3661-4b2e-b4f7-5314cb28b9b4_-1_273.Jpeg
62. http://books.google.com/books?id=4ILtFslJTDQC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=lion+and+tiger+sculpture+italy&source=bl&ots=_zZtRj-Xbt&sig=oeLY3wwRpGtG6PCWb1OlQ64zL6Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwgPUKSmNMuJiwLE74HIDw&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw
63. Art in the Hellenistic Age
Another mosaic in the House of the Faun , now badly damaged, showed a lion
standing over a prostrate tiger. http://books.google.com/books?id=vt9JwsNcKzwC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=lion+tiger+faun&source=bl&ots=isc59w57MT&sig=EYFviHdwZOCiZa-eQuPmGwQcEbc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_g4PUNLlJaf5iwLPuYHgDw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
64. The tale of Pompeii
http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&source=bl&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&sig=UZk7DGd_GtYPMpb0m_uR4-m1xtc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jQ8PUMuIA4aYiQKlsICYAg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=dztAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA44&ots=7a-6_-8mNV&dq=lion+standing+over+tiger&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
65. LION AND TIGER FIGHT CASTLE FILM lion kills tiger
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/8/4/1/7/7/webimg/543364200_tp.jpg
66. Preferred Argument Structure: Grammar As Architecture for Function lion fights an kills tiger page 412 {Book}
http://books.google.com/books?id=dmAaKhGWq90C&pg=PA412&lpg=PA412&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+mountain&source=bl&ots=r0PWHpU3wg&sig=qsqYyR8IoG-whvJjEMM1jm1cLl4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZJMdUND_BKHViwLxpIGoAg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
67. Western Reserve University bulletin, Volume 1 A lion the victor of a fight with a mangled tiger.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jKk4AAAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA44&lpg=RA2-PA44&dq=lion+killed+tiger+fight+reserve&source=bl&ots=natKyEmXlK&sig=vZruY1SzKLv-Wg_9OX0dlYt8pYM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IZsdULXCF4zFiwLlm4D4Bw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCDgK0 -
Do you have a dog in this fight?
Do you have a pro-lion bias?
Where did you get this list from?
Have you read Jerry Pallotta book on the subject Lion Vs. Tiger (Who Would Win?)?
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@Cork boy 55
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No dog...
No Bias, just a man looking for the truth.
I looked...
Jerry? You mean this guy...
http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/sites/default/files/contributors/pallotta_jerry_lg.jpg?1313000264
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Hmmm? his data seems as good as a 7th graders research, an I wonder why he admited he dident like lions...maybe because hes jeoulus that the lion has a full head of hair XD XD. I have jerrys cover on a few #'s but its just to have shown a book cover with them clashing...but you bring one source again an think that you'll have something to brag about?
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Again...try this on for size...
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{Expert’s, Trainer’s, Scientist, Owner’s, Zoologist’s Opinion’s on Lion vs tiger’s}
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1.Tiger an lion Expert Dave hoover, said lions are the better fighter’s.
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/2c726fd5c00746832d1bff2d2a483ae1a1c6b6b8_r.jpg
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Hooverlionsvstigers.jpg
2.Indian Zooligist Jam sahib exploit’s bias cat enthusiasist “Karish singe” an witnesses 4 ocasian’s lion’s beat tiger’s an give’s his opinon on lion’s.
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/pagetwoju9.jpg
3. Animal Trainer of over 40 year’s in the bisness and Expert Louis Roth, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight. In his book
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Louis-Roth.jpg
4. Animal Expert Alfred court, thinks the lion wins over the tiger in a fight he’s the same person who had a lion kill a polar bear in his act [Book]
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Life-With-Big-Cats.jpg
5.Animal Trainer John Helliot, favors the lion over the tiger in a fight he’s the guy on the right hand side of clyde beatty who also had a lion kill a polar bear article.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2381/2071380105_d4b400547f.jpg
6.Animal Expert Dave Salmoni, says he’d give the edge to a lion in a
fight with a tiger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A64glNYb-NM
7.Animal Tamer an trainer of 40 year’s training Hyena’s, Leopard’s, Jaguar’s, Wolve’s, Tiger’s, Cheetah’s, Bear’s, Puma’s, Lion’s, an more the God father animal expert Mr. Clyde Beatty, said lions will win 9/10 against tigers in a fight.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books-83.jpg
8.Animal enthusiast and poet Oliver Goldsmith, ranked the lion over the tiger.
http://www.scharlau.co.uk/scharlau.co.uk/prints/images/lions4701.jpg
http://books.google.com/books?id=0axEAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=oliver+goldsmith+lions'&source=bl&ots=g1TAll-5xC&sig=DGi-ZspT444D1ZdbX5jYWUItBO4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oEu7T_L7OaiviALuyoXVDQ&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA
9.Animal Expert an Tamer Courtney cooper, said lions usually win more
in tiger fights. In her book she state’s
LIONS"N"TIGERS"N"EVERYTHING 1924 By Courtney Riley Cooper.
Page 32, I like the tiger cat more than I like the lion cat.
This^^^ Show s he is not bia’s…
Page 68, lions are "King Of Beasts"
Page 70, lion kills a tiger in a very brutal fight.
Page 78, Cooper says lion is "King Of Beasts" and a good father.
Pages 84-85, FEMALE tiger kills heavier MALE tiger defending her cubs.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-867ud6Wa9NQ/TpV7MZsSYLI/AAAAAAAAnHY/NHhpK6OBdVw/s1600/The%2Bbook%2Bdetails%2Bthe%2Blife%2Bof%2Ba%2Btypical%2Bzookeeper%2Band%2Bhis%2Banimals.jpg
10.Poet an painter an animal enthusiast Geroge Buffon, picked lions over tigers in a fight.
http://www.artprints.com/images/OWP/large/owp9316c.jpg
http://diogenesii.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/404px-buffon_1707-1788.jpg
11. Big cat trainer Jim Chipperfeild support’s the lion in a fight with a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51O-3K-LtuL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
12.Big cat trainer Edward. jewitt wheeler, say’s the lion is superior to the tiger. {Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100619524/lion-vs-tiger-isabel-thomas-hardcover-cover-art.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
13.Big cat tamer, Isac kaufman funk, agree;s lions are superior to tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100619524/lion-vs-tiger-isabel-thomas-hardcover-cover-art.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
14.Lion an tiger trainer, Willam seaver wood’s, say’s a lion would beat a tiger.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100619524/lion-vs-tiger-isabel-thomas-hardcover-cover-art.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
15.Tiger an lion tamer Arther stimson Draper, says lion’s uaslly win against tiger’s.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://i43.tower.com/images/mm100619524/lion-vs-tiger-isabel-thomas-hardcover-cover-art.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
16.Brother of Isac kaufman funk, wilfred john funk agree’s lions are superior.
{Lion vs tiger Book}
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51O-3K-LtuL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionandtigerlionsuperiorfightingabi.jpg
17.---{1991}---Marco peter’s lion and tiger owner and trainer say’s tigers are afraid of male lion’s.
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Lionusuallywhipsatiger.jpg
18.Big cat expert Alex Kerr goes with a lion in a fight with a tiger.
19.Indian zooligist Kalish shankala say’s lion’s beat tiger’s due to mane’s an being superior fighter’s.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/boldchamp/boldchamppics031-1.jpg
20. Sir Frank . owner of bowstock say’s lion’s are more dangerous than tiger’s.
http://www.nfa.dept.shef.ac.uk/jungle/index1a1.html
21. Lee Yong Phil zoo keeper, say’s male lion’s usually dominate’s tiger’s.
http://animal-tigers.blogspot.com/2011/02/dominated-by-black-tigers-in-everland.html
22. Although lions and tigers are anatomically virtually the same, male lions regularly fight to attain and maintain pride females…"I suspect that male lions on average would be more aggressive and persistent than male tigers, hence would prevail."
~Frank C. Mendel, professor of pathology and anatomical sciences at UB
http://medicine.buffalo.edu/content/medicine/faculty/profile.html?ubit=fcmendel
23. Chapter 4 Sajamu, religous dance’s rein acting of lion’s that killed an ate tiger’s of one of the first importation’s of lion’s hundred’s an hundred’s of year’s ago in Singapore.
http://www.mask.kr/coding/english/sub08.asp
24. Circus performer an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s in his book the male lion has the advantages over other cat’s: The lion also is protected around the neck by the heavy mane, which is an advantage.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510U7xDeJ3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
25. Beatty cole state’s that lion’s do kill tiger’s
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/tamerdaveHoover.jpg
26.Caroll soo holl apperntly know’s lion’s are capable of killing male siberian tiger’s even if the lion is old an the tiger is in his prime…
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/boldchamp/Atigerissupposedtowinafightwithalion.jpg
27. Burt Nelson owner an trainer of big cat’s, say’s lions usually whips the tiger’s
http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad19/JinenFordragon/books-84.jpg
28. Entire team of Tiger territory a site that has 200 page’s of studying information dedicated to the tiger, has a conlusion that lion’s are superior to tiger’s in fighting…
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict7.html
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29.1842 animal new’s article having a trainer of all animal’s…saying lion’s were the most dominate animal and feared more above tiger’s.
http://www.cqout.com/item.asp?id=12636137
30. The mengerine…Lions will not stay in the same cage with tigers. We tried this once, putting a lioness in with a Bengal tiger. There was a fierce fight and the lioness nearly killed the Bengal."Chapter V11
http://www.circushistory.org/History/OnRoad2.htm
31. Caviar and Cabbage [Book] Melvin B. Tolson .
Tolson was the professor, poet and writer portrayed by Denzel Washington in
The Great Debaters , which is based on a true story from 1935 America. Saying the title King doesent belong to the tiger, it belong’s to the lion for unity.
http://www.marcnorton.us/93588/102643.html
32. Sir Samuel w. baker has carefully compared the strength and other qualitie’s of the lion an tiger an he decide’s in favor of the lion.
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles35/animals-2.shtml
http://books.google.com/books?id=5XFRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA762&lpg=PA762&dq=sir+samuel+baker+lions+and+tigers+book&source=bl&ots=vytNsXChw7&sig=pbFGbyGmNsYlG4GzpAyy_us2C6o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5JHBT_XeN4aUiQLH4oHjBw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw
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http://www.hotfreebooks.com/book/Wild-Beasts-and-their-Ways-Sir-Samuel-W-Baker--6.html
33. THE CATS OF SHAMBALA 1985 By Tippi Hedren and Theodore Taylor Page 176, tigers are the original scaredy-cat. Although most ferocious under certain conditions, adults are scared silly over numerous odd things. Thunder and Lightning which a lion takes in stride, panics a tiger. Silver reflectors scare tigers, if you want to take over a room full of tigers walk in wearing a silver suit. In the movie ROAR a big siberian tiger name ivan backs down from a tiny lion cub. Tippi Hedren is a former actress that has lions and tigers and other animals on her compound in Acton, Ca.
34. Animal Planet team of zoologist enthusiast and scientist, concluded the lion would win in a fight with a tiger…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo
35. Interesting read on Dr.Sc Giuliano Russini view on Lions and Tigers.
...African lion presents phenomena of aggressiveness which, contrary to what is thought render it more dangerous in the wild than the tiger and more difficult to manage in captivity, as observed by the zoological biologists.... This caused by overheating corporeal overheating phenomena, is in fact a handicap in case of prolonged fights, drawback not found in the lion who, as they say, “will struggle up to the death”.Same can be said for the fighting techniques, which all stand in favour of the Panthera leo ,accustomed, as it is, to face in the savannah a great variety of preys and competitors, in comparison with the solitary tiger....
http://www.photomazza.com/?Panthera-tigris
36. Circuss owner an big cat owner Geroge conklin say’s lion’s are stronger in term’s of pure power.
http://www.readbookonline.net/read/53518/99655/
37. Randy miller favor’s a lion against a tiger in a fight.
38. Craig busch favor’s a lion over a tiger in a fight.
39.Lion’s have harder strike’s, shown in this clip hitting a bigger and hevier tiger the mane dosent weigh that much, it’s just very thick an dense hair an by the size of the tiger, his mass look’s even the same size of the lion’s mane, concluding the tiger is hevier an the lion still outpower’s him by bashing him with the usual haymaker’s lion’s throw, in the same instance the tiger threw first, yet the lion’s more powerful strike’s goes right threw the tiger’s attempt for a double strike which they usually use to grab , but the lion strike’s with such percsion an power he bashes the tiger so hard, he completely fliped the tiger on his back a meter away…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/output_3.gif
40. Lion’s are stronger in the front limb’s there bigger, taller, broader and stronger shoulder’s aid’s them in being better fighter’s an out wrestle’s tiger’s…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/output_1.gif
41. Pound for pound lion’s are way stronger than tiger’s, this lion look’s bigger but it’s only because of the mane, both lion and tiger are about the same size, yet he still hit’s harder, also chasing off the competition as they usually do, due to dominant trait’s of the male lion…also proving a lot of expert’s correct as tiger’s only throw wildly not accurately, in this fight the tiger misses 6 time’s an mostly all other fight’s tiger’s always’s miss more than 50% fighting a lion, here…
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/lionsmackstiger.gif
42. people like to use this video as the tiger is winning? It only prove’s what 80% of animal trainers an expert’s say…which is tiger’s are explosive fighter’s an tire themselve’s out quickly aiding there poor stamina, but how many time’s did the tiger land any thing at all? Let’s count them 1st lunge, barly nips the mane…which lunge’s cost energy…2nd lunge, misses which cost energy…3rd lunge misses…which cost’s energy, By doing so the lion is only using superior fighting tactic’s of dodging because they hardly clinch as tiger’s do, This video prove’s the other video^^^ that tiger’s have very poor accurate swipe’s more of just swinging wind mill’s along with the end every swipe is absorbed by the mane as the tiger must reap what hit’s his head area…
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6757/511ak4.gif
43. 80% of swipe or bite is protected by the mane, as you can see the mane protect’s bite’s that can usually add up on a tiger, yet it has no effect on the lion in terms the lion can completely focus what he is doing which is draging around and mauling the tiger, which in the big cat fight world, every bite count’s…
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu130/boldchamp/inage-4.gif
44. Even when the tiger is bigger lion’s have stronger front limb’s shown here a smaller lioness out fighting and out powering a bigger tiger…
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/Princesslioness1989/lion%20vs%20tiger/lionessrules.gif
45.Zoologist graph of the usual outcome
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rlDAF7tuHKI/TBpC6w-NoyI/AAAAAAAAAhw/GjIM97CMDW8/s1600/LEAO+X+TIGRE.jpg
46.---{1959}--- A tiger never fight’s fair, but in a fair fight a lion can whip any animal…
Source: Milwaukee Journal november 12, 1959
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/snider_/hdasg.jpg
47. But to get back to the lions and tigers, apparently it is a very hard thing to put lions and tigers together. I read that scientists say that lions have the strongest forelegs of the big cats, and they have a knack to being more ferocious. Even though tigers are heavier and longer, it's ferocity that determines a winner. Lions have all the equipment of a fighter with huge forelegs, the mane, and the stocky body. Because of the mane the male lion is a poor predator. He however has a fierce desire to defend his territory. They have been known to kill or drive off rhinos. The tiger is nervous around a male lion and cat trainers have said that this has caused problems in zoos and circuses.
The same trainers have mostly said that the male lion appears to have no fear of the tiger even in a large group of tigers. The big cat trainer Clyde Beatty lost 12 tigers to lions and didn't lose a single lion. He once had a tiger and lion fighting in a live performance and tried to stop it he couldn't and the lion went on to maul the tiger to death in front of all these people. He also had a lion he called Sultan the First and he beat ever male tiger he ever faced.
http://arlene-wright-correll.wrytestuff.com/swa642954-Finding-Our-Grandfather-In-The-Attic.htm
48. the sixth extinction a tiger will avoid a lion…
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ytb3eYZMTmwC&pg=PT405&lpg=PT405&dq=african+lion+fights+tiger&source=bl&ots=GF61VCkZe7&sig=kvAF8ZtDyaWQujf_E75d95fIkqY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bYQGUIddxdjZBayptK0F&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCDgK
49. The Asiatic journal and monthly miscellany ...
the lion is so powerful an animal as the tiger, but he fights much better. A tiger will
make his attack, and then retire ; but a lion never retreats ; he fights until- he is
killed.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZWN3-payo_8C&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=lions+slayed+fight+tiger&source=bl&ots=Q9RLRCwtLl&sig=T9BeweLp0Y8d147ni5sjyu3SXlU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yYQIUOGCCKuI2gX0mpjSBw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA
50.lion dominate’s an chases tiger around the arena in Rome
Blackwood's Edinburgh magazine, Volume 27
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx1lkqo4q8YC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=oQP1EtnaeB&sig=OJogE0OvxMuNQxhCBmuOCJBVYmM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VXIfUKbHKOzqiQKPwYHICg&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
51. Tiger’s avoid lion’s in combat
Army and Navy chronicle, Volume 6
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q_kRAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA411&lpg=RA1-PA411&dq=ancient+lion+battle+tiger+fight&source=bl&ots=6SgbuGhV-3&sig=NVNf1GQYYoCLvPysS7qQmB2U3Qc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tXkfUN3QM4vnigLR9oGQDQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBjhG
52.Tigers avoids lions
The Quiver
http://books.google.com/books?id=w-9MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA253&lpg=PA253&dq=lion+tiger+avoided+combat&source=bl&ots=F-gBFHhbez&sig=sjpgzXZ35URQFAgkUHLvT4_TNo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LoAfUJmvJuLJiwKh0oHoCw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
53. . lion defeats tiger to rescue man
"The ferocity of the tiger's disposition has been exaggerated; but although capable of being made quite gentle, they are unreliable in their habits, and apt at any instant to attempt the gratification of a blood-thirsty disposition. Keepers of menageries, however much confidence they may feel in the friendship of the "king of beasts," are always nervous about the tiger, and cautious in their movements. We think it was Van Amberg who was unexpectedly set upon by a tiger, when the lion came to his rescue, and actually threw the tiger down, and held him fast until the man escaped."
Source: http://www.harpers.org/archive/1855/05/0037640
54. chained-up lion defeats tiger 5 times
“The lion is the king of among beasts in other ways than in looks. I once put a big tiger in a cage with a lion, chaining the lion but giving him slack enough to stand up and turn around. It was a night parade and the red fire was burned on the top of my wagon and the animals became greatly excited. The tiger pounced on the lion but I stopped the battle with the stool upon which I had been setting. Later the fight was renewed, the lion knocking the tiger down five times.”
Source: William H. Blackburne, head keeper of the National Zoological Park, 1929
55. 2 lions on a single tiger is just too much…a lion is the biggest of the carnivores in india, they have bigger skulls than tigers…
The Children's hour, Volumes 11-12
http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA166&lpg=RA1-PA166&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&source=bl&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&sig=BQZW9HO646T41rqopL0XjuYtleE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JJAxUK-LL8rTigLS-YGYBg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw
http://books.google.com/books?id=9-kaAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA167&lpg=RA1-PA166&ots=L2zJSGeZ1K&dq=lions+better+fighters++tigers&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
56. the lion not the tiger is the unbdisputed King of the forest
http://books.google.com/books?id=8icYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=lions+undisputed+fighter+tiger&source=bl&ots=Ay1UmC74cw&sig=TrqQL7rHRl7AXgskSoPbAmW9lHA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_5QxUOrNK8r2iwK2-ICwBQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA0 -
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Father an adult fully grown siberian or Amur tiger can have 200 pounds on an adult lion.0
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Thats funny last time I checked lions can reach whatever weights the tiger can...
408kg=904 pound lion named Ali owned by Charle’s mason of King’sbridge<br>
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Two…900 pound lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUtjFBx6eM
- 900 pound lion
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818 pound lion named Ponto star of Ringling bro's circus biggest cat fight’s off 2 tiger’s an terrorizes crowd
http://newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1959-03-27/
826 pound lion named Simba
http://junglephotos.com/africa/afanimals/mammals/lionnathist.shtml
802 pound lion named Mubasa
http://www.kansastravel.org/britspaughzoo.htm
http://www.thirdage.com/humor/800-pound-lion-receives-root-canal-video
810 pound lion named Baron attack’s tarzan 1967, in Cleveland, OH
John (Tarzan) Zarbeini with his 800 pound lions..
http://www.tzproductions.com/index.php/history
2… 800 pound lion’s 1 named Prince an 1 named Clarence
http://mfinley.com/tumor/bt-bwana-mike.htm
806 pound lion named Rutledge
800 pound lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=r_itw5QtTkUC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=800+pound+lion+africa&source=bl&ots=L7PO7yWlAS&sig=Da81WuQXgd9ZRE6mRQtvA6qaGy8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MNoNUNOJGuKC2wWUuYC4AQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA
800 pound lion in circus
Trump: The Art Of The Deal
But Irving was very much like a lion tamer. You've seen these guys, maybe I50
pounds, who walk blithely into a cage where there's a magnificent 800~pound lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ye6e_VxM00kC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6XuRpqILHh&sig=FPFItABXapR4OZWM76XTRCImwz0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mHwGUICmL-Pg2gWQxMXTBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ
800 pound lion named woody owner Hells angels
http://books.google.com/books?id=9MIDKlXj60AC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=800+pound++lion&source=bl&ots=6qj9mAg4nV&sig=oYDzO5qhhaADM55op3qdUPe0FLc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VX0GUJC2Leqi2gXO4MmPBQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK
900 pound lionCBS News investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian speaks about the debate and what it was like doing an interview within feet of a 900-pound lion.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/x364597531/Morning-Jolt-Haunted-home-for-seniors
800 pound lion <br>
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/last-lions-india/asiatic-vs-african/asiatic-vs-african.html
800 pound lion named Leo breaks double plated window in Radio station1932
http://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionunleashedinwbzstudio.jpg?w=300
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=apghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1205,5537289&dq=800+pound+lion&hl=en
822 pound lion named Nero Killed With One Shot. Nero Slain As It Devoured Cow In...<br>
Daily Star - Oct 2, 1908
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MMVUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uI8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6318,5099819&dq=lion+killed+with+one+shot+nero+slain+as+it+devoured+cow+in&hl=en
Two 800-900 pound lions escaped from the Ringling Bros. and Bar- num & Bailey Circus Saturday los Angeles Times - Jun 17, 1973
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/692669012.html?dids=692669012:692669012&FMT=CITE&FMTS=CITE:AI&type=historic&date=Jun+17%2C+1973&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=1+of+2+Circus+Lions+Killed+After+Escape&pqatl=google
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Tiger weight’s show they avearge no bigger than lion’s
The bengal tiger is thinner an lighter than the lion
http://books.google.com/books?id=BRVaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA278&lpg=PA278&dq=china++lion+fights+fighting+kills+tiger&source=bl&ots=MN04rRtSHs&sig=Nz3XMnyzoBeXmXUUAFzpcZ9KLAc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aZQGUOiWEIHg2gWah9S6BQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK
http://www.tigers.ru/articles/tab_eng.html#tab1
Hewett (1938), Inverarity (1888), Baker (1890), Buton (1933, 1948), Hornaday (1885), Meinertzhagen (1939) and Sanderson (1912) shows an average of 422 lbs, not far from the 420 lbs mark, isn't it?
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k625/Leofwin/DunbarBrandersaverage.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/averagesizeofadultamurtigers.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s214/craigkennion/dsfdfsdsfdsfdfsd.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/SiberianCloseto400.jpg
http://bigcatrescue.org/2011/tiger-facts
http://english.savechinastigers.org/node/31
http://www.redorbit.com/education/reference_library/science_1/mammalia/2578132/bengal_tiger/
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/Tigersandme/55.jpg
Male Siberian Tiger Weights
Here's some more weights from "CONFLICTS BETWEEN MAN AND TIGER IN THE RUSSIAN FAR EAST",(first published in Russian in "Bulletin Moskovskogo obshchestva ispytateley Prirody", 1993, v. 98, i. 3)
by Igor G. Nikolaev and Victor G. Yudin
=Male Siberian Tiger Weights=
1. 166 kg Body Fat - H
2. 192 kg Body Fat - H
3. 136 kg Body Fat - L
4. 170 kg Body Fat - L
5. 150 kg Body Fat - L
6. 149 kg Body Fat - H
7. 175 kg Body Fat - H
8. 171 kg Body Fat - L
9. 180 kg Body Fat - H
10. 168 kg Body Fat - M
11. 130 kg Body Fat - L
12. 178 kg. Body Fat - Not Stated
13. 136 kg Body Fat - S
14. 157 kg Body Fat - S
15. 185 kg Body Fat - L
16. 135 kg Body Fat - H
17. 148 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
18. 178 kg Body Fat - Not Stated
19. 165 kg Body Fat - M
20. 93 kg Body Fat - S
21. 92 kg Body Fat - M
22. 170 kg Body Fat - L
23. 160 kg Body Fat - H
24. 125 kg Body Fat - M
25. 102 kg. Body Fat - L
26. 129 kg Body Fat - S
You see what this guy said^^^ weight’s are usually overexaggerated, these weight’s here even say un-confirmed, to 800 an uses the – sign as in 800-900 as a estimation or this 1,000pound cat is the world record an another cat that’s hevier meaning how would he then have a title of world record? Because they are only estimation’s none were weighed as shown from the first link’s they only average 400-500 pound’s like the lion not these weight’s here…
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f189/01978/bigtigerlist1.jpg
THE WAY OF THE TIGER 2002 By K. Ullas Karanth.
Page 47, The tigers weighing record weights in captivity where overfed obese individuals who would not survive in the wild.
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{ Size comparison show’s tiger’s average no bigger than lion’s}
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http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/l.jpg
http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/12/621-ringling-bros-lions-tigers.jpg
http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff428/FreeWilli/charlesknie1.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/COPYRIGHTtigerlion01.jpg
http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/lions/TigerNLion-detrock1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/815/a17dr.jpg/
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/029/b/c/circus__lion_and_tiger_by_never_over_strange-d38brsq.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/84191/1834942-lion_and_tiger_super.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1741/news2006622213238.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/t5q7KN-8sW8/hqdefault.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1toZ5D2024k/T0wLMMtlYpI/AAAAAAAAFGI/dtmri9K0HVc/s1600/dieck_neu.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EgYN6vENFl0/SdzMhH8gGUI/AAAAAAAAC1E/NL4mANg-3_0/s400/Circus_Lions%26Tigers.jpg
http://www.yun158.com/Image/20100520150834190
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/27/2733/V1MND00Z/posters/denis-diderot-lion-and-tiger.jpg
http://www.yun158.com/Image/20100617091431428
http://www.flixya.com/files-photo/s/a/n/sandeepr-2283995.jpg
http://www.yun158.com/Image/20100617091431427
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4610/3d5f660920c7ecfb3ac763f.jpg
http://www.vintage-views.com/MeyersKonversations/Vol14/wood/images/0527730k6-Raubtiere5.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/6c17022cf4ad87d490f0820.jpg/
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/IJ3N4Wpseeo/hqdefault.jpg
http://prehistoric-fauna.com/img/orig/cats_size.jpg
http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab235/misty242010/fc686a63a122dc760c33fa1a.jpg
2 male’s spaid lion with no mane.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/4122394019_8e1ccbd81f.jpg
http://utterlycute.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Lion-Bear-Tiger-610x441.jpg
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lion-tiger-bear-living-together-11.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgYN6vENFl0/SdzMge19lII/AAAAAAAAC08/1XAJ9HBqw_c/s400/Circus_Lions%26TigersStanding.jpg
http://specialhells.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/earsgail_bowen_with_lionblog.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oj5YIHOS4uk/T0mhuVHMENI/AAAAAAAAGbM/OunRXyp0aIs/LION%252C%2520TIGER%2520AND%2520BEAR.jpg0 -
The lionm verus tiger art was used for political puropses was it not
For example this one titled
The British lions vengeance on the Bengal tiger
The tiger appears to be eating a White women
Perhaps this was introduced in wake of some Indian atrocity against British civilians in India
The British Lion's Vengeance on the Bengal Tiger. Punch, 33 (22 August 1857): 76-77
Like "Justice," this cartoon shows the degree to which Punch and the popular press wanted vengeance against the native troops who had committed atrocities against women and children. Note how using the lion to represent England and the tiger to represent India does several things: first, it conveys the impression that the two parties are equal, which they are not. Second, it relies on a diametrical opposition of England and India, colonizer and colonized, when in fact the British were able to put down the mutiny in part because large numbers of Indian troops remained loyal
http://www.victorianweb.org/periodicals/punch/53.html
The British empire use Lion versus tiger art as a symbol of their superiority over the Indian i.e The British lion defeating the Indian Tiger.
For example this is from the Crimean war showing the "British Lion"
fighting the Russian bear
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Indeed not all have a account tied into the artifact but around 70% do...would you like me to show you which ones were tied in with an actual account?
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An this ^^^ is the document tied into the artifact to this...
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31’st of March, 1851, In the “Landshuter Zeitung” (“Landshut Newspaper”)
A drama at the Ganges.
I’ll tell of one of these terrible fights, one you wouldn’t see again in a hundred years, a scene of blood and death that forever will haunt my mind. […] The lion and his rival, the tiger, need air and space in great quantity. Here, and only here, are they really able to live and to rule. […] (A long description of lions and tigers and how fierce both of them are, the actual event follows now) A Malayan slave ran towards us and shouted: “Lion! Lion! Down there, at the river! It’s a big, fierce lion!”
“One more reason to take shelter in the house,” continued the colonel. “Come, my friends, take the weapons! The lion is a troublesome guest.”
We closed the house’s doors; the slaves got weapons and guarded the basement. We, to welcome this guest admirably, climbed up to the gallery from which we could overlook the Ganges. An unusually big lion walked haughtily down there, not looking around as he does when he has to fight an opponent, but instead ambling slowly and thoughtfully like a philosopher, he walked there. He stopped from time to time to rest a minute, and then continued majestically his way. Under a magnificent palm, he stopped, turned around two times, and finally lay down in the shadow. This was the rest of a magnificent ruler that had nothing to fear from any adversary. He rested easily, as do those who have made no enemies.
Scarcely ten minutes had the lion lain there, when suddenly, he jumped up as though struck by lightning, roaring very deeply and scratching the ground with both hind legs, as though challenging an adversary. He lowered his head and, in a single bound, jumped at the palm’s stem to look about, to the right and left. Then he jumped down to ground to wait again, and his gaze lingered at one particular spot on the horizon.
“An enemy seems to approach,” the colonel said, “a terrible enemy, if we look at the lion’s reaction. I predict that it will be a fierce fight, and many rich people would pay a great sum to see it if they were here right now.”
“And why,” I asked, “don’t they stage some fights from time to time, if they would pay so much?”
“Because what we have here is very rare. The lion won’t fight against a human but against a fierce animal, one as strong as he himself, such as a rhinoceros, an elephant, or a tiger.”
“A tiger! It’s really a tiger!” one of us shouted pointing a finger at the dangerous beast which jumped in huge leaps towards the lion. It was breathtaking, our eyes wandered from the lion to the tiger and from the tiger to the lion. The lion still was lurking. It was a terrible spectacle and we wagered who will win. Now they stood eyeball to eyeball with each other. They’d seen each other and wouldn’t leave unless one of them was lying dead at the ground. The tiger was unbelievably huge and beautiful with his long black stripes distributed all over his yellowish body. His fearful eyes seemed to burn, his head was lowered. We stood, at the most, 200 feet away. The sun shone brightly, so we could see their every move. I don’t think I have to mention that our hearts were in our mouths. The tiger closed in on the lion, but the lion remained calm. In the latter, we could see the force of the calmness in his powerful position; in the tiger, one could believe to see the violent tension of someone who has the impudence to disrespect a close danger, one who had the will to assault it. We could see a certain twitch in his legs, but he wasn’t about to flee. Did the crouching tiger want to kill the lion? I believe it did, and I admire the royal tiger’s courage, he would rather lie down in a burning furnace than be accused of cowardice!
The lion had not moved at all, but we could see what was happening inside him by looking at his erected mane. From time to time, his countenance suggested a submissive gesture. But he, the king of animals, didn’t want to show any fear, but rather boldness, to his opponent. A duel was now inevitable. For the tiger it may be a glorious day, but for the lion it was certainly a festive day.
With one leap, they could grab, bite, tear each other; with one leap they’d jump over the space of 20 feet that separated them from each other. Then, they leaped! The crash equaled the crash of two ships in a tempest! We could hear the bones breaking under the weight of their terrible paws, we could see chunks of flesh falling to the ground. They made no sound, but their gruff moaning indicated their rage and pain. Neither showed superiority and we wondered who would win. If the lion were to think that he had overpowered the tiger, the latter could earn the victory with a single move, shattering the surprised lion.
The fight now lasted 10 minutes, and suddenly, as if they came to an agreement, both loosened their grip to gain their breath again. It was the motionlessness of the rage, but it was the calmness of the king. A few moments later, an unexpected incident which resurrected the fight took place: The tiger, which saw not only his defeat but also his death, used the moment. While his opponent was licking his wounded hind leg, he leaped 10 feet up the palm’s stem and stayed there. The lion looked around and couldn’t see his foe anymore; he roared, looked upwards, and he jumped at the tiger. But in this position it was impossible to continue the fight. They knew that only one of them would survive. The tiger jumped down and the lion followed him, but his leg caused him to shiver. A long fight wasn’t possible any more. Their claws were blunted, their jaws were tired, and they had lost much blood.
The fighters’ jaws were wedged in each other as they bit at each others’ heads; we could feel the bones crushing. Suddenly the tiger retreated, wavered and fell down. The lion seized him with his terrible paws and it seemed like he wanted to punish the defeated opponent for his resistance.
He didn’t loosen his grip, the merciless king of the forest, the feared lord of the wilderness; he tore the tiger apart, he crushed its skull. Suddenly a crocodile appeared out of the river. It seized the lion at his injured hind leg and dragged him into the water. The only remains of this fight were the dead tiger under the palm and some read streams of blood on the water surface.
This German zoologist than requested an artist to draw an deplict what he saw...
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lion kills tiger in Roman arena
Same Here...
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An as for lions fighting bears, they have fought each other many times in the past an the score card more favored the lion, they are just built to fight an kill exceptionally well, theres a few accounts of bears killing lions but theres more of lions killing bears...
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Lion kill’s bear’s
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1.1902 lion named roosevlet killed peary the polar bear.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-CIWrL1-cEGk/T6YitbFpChI/AAAAAAAAANg/8KRGCnZZgKE/le%25C3%25B3n%2520vs%2520oso%2520blanco.j%20pg
2.John heliot’s circus lion named brutus kills polar bear.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/ScottBanks/lionkillspolarbear.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-nNkI_hEYI3E/TtlLoqCWU2I/AAAAAAAABCQ/unl46hTE2K8/s800/BRUTUS.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-1cavjSB78DU/TtlLikxy4cI/AAAAAAAABCI/3hR6R-C2cEg/s800/LION%252520KILLS%252520POLAR%252520BEAR%252%2052520IN%252520HARD%252520FIGHT%252520-%252520BRUTUS.JPG
3. lion kills polar bear 1955 By Alfred Court.[Book]Pages 131-132,
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Life-With-Big-Cats.jpg
4. lion kills polar bear Louis Roth, forty years with jungle killers, [Book]
page 204-205.
http://www.worthpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Louis-Roth.jpg
5.1893 Pezon in limoges, Leo the lion maul’s polar bear
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-9W0zfcHzAHs/T6Z52mThgGI/AAAAAAAAAOY/ryc0taAxzgY/POLAR%2520BEAR%2520VS%2520LION%2520DREADF%20UL%2520DUEL.jpg
6.Boltimore the lion kills russian grizzley
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg265/scaled.php?server=265&filename=sdffti0.jpg&res=landing
7. Lion stale mate’s enormous grizzley bear
THE OAKLAND TRIBUNE APRIL 1, 1895 "A DRAW" PARNELL FIGHTS A BIG BEAR.
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES APRIL 2, 1895 "BRUIN THROWS LEO
At 4 P.M. yesterday, in the bull ring at New Laredo, Mexico, the African lion Parnell fought a terrible battle with an enormous grizzly bear of the American type. The attendance was large. The animals fought desperately for two rounds until completely exhausted, but contrary to expectation, neither was killed. It was a bloody combat.
The crowd went wild when twice the American grizzly threw his African opponent and erstwhile king of beasts, so hard upon the ground that once, had time been called according to the usual rules, the lion would have been counted out
Throughout the battle the lion showed more agility and treachery.
Parnell is owned by Colonel F. Daniel Boone, the lion tamer, and is the beast that killed its keeper at the Midwinter Fair.
The bear is somewhat larger and heavier than the lion, and was secured at New Orleans where he killed two keepers.
It is the first time on record that such a combat has taken place. Mr Zarcombe, editor of the Laredo Times, was fortunate enough to secure four excellent instantaneous photographs of the battle. The fight took place in a large circular steel cage twenty feet in diameter and fifteen feet in height.
No more thrilling spectacle was ever witnessed than the spring made by the lion as he bounded into the cage, with a magnificent leap fully fifteen feet, and grappled with his antagonist.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oCVJiNSw5jI/T8Rs1da0lAI/AAAAAAAAnqI/FFyZpwKevLU/s1600/PRNLLVRMDMPRMO.jpg
8. Lion kills bruin the grizzly bear
http://www.pictures-of-cats.org/images/lion-vs-bear.gif
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-oj5YIHOS4uk/T0mhuVHMENI/AAAAAAAAGbM/OunRXyp0aIs/LION%252C%2520TIGER%2520AND%2520BEAR.jpg
9.http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk45/brentlion_2008/brentonlion/books_003-25.png0 -
another propaganda piece from punch Britannia holds the British lion and the Indian tiger (now "allies" representing the army of india) in preparation for an assault on Afghanistan
note how scared the tiger is
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Cool bro, I seen that one a few times...but I was more so looking for artifacts of tigers an lions in (combat), I can get alot like those but the ones portraying them fighting is whats prized right now. But still cool artifact dude, I can always appreciate quality art.
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As for the British having a lion thats not native, I think is compenisation for there former loss of the european lion, the cave lion. They were indigedous to some of europe, so it only makes sense they favor the most closesly relative... the lion. I my self would go with Presica an leo leo, they had the most fullest manes that covered almost 80% of there body, from there head all the way down to there belly...an of course I would go with the Siberian an Summatran tiger, for they tend to have a more fluffyer an thicker coat of fur than the bengal.
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I havent searched latley for any artifacts, but I know a few canidates coming my way, I'm eager to see who they will have portrayed winning, I emailed a person selling a 8,000 dollar gold artifact of a lion fighting a tiger an another friend of mine has a artifact of a lion fighting a tiger from the era of Cleopatra. But I dont know whos gonna be portrayed getting the upper hand for I dident ask yet, I have 4 for the tiger an I have almost 60 for the lion, It cant be coincedence that the accounts match the amounts of artifact at this point, because the more I'm looking for both all I'm finding is the lion winning, so its almost conclusive that the lion nearly almost won everytime. I wont draw a conclusion just yet, I only started the search not to long ago, there could be literaly thousands I dont know of...so I'll just remain on the search.
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But its all about the site you request the data about I guess, because all you have to do is find the right cultrual preserver an you could stumble onto a gold mine of artifacts, from antiques, to scriptues an remnents, statues, sculpures, carvings of wood, metal, glass, jewelry, to art deco of paintings, ecthings, printings an more, theres hundreds of possibilitys an craftings of a artifact you just have to look...I really want to find both sides too, not just the lions but at this point what ever comes first...comes first.0 -
Are you a collector of these artifacts?
You should contact Braddah Keala of Hawaii.
I think he is the world's expert on the lion vs tiger debate.
I think it is fair to say that Braddah favours the lion in a lion versus tiger fight but he is fair in his assessment.
On this website there is also an Arts section
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=632
and a Collectibles & Antiques section
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=394
Maybe they can help you.0 -
I'll look in to those links...thanks ^_^0
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not to relevant historical wise, but i watched a nature program last week about the reintroduction of lion into parts of India.
The big worry was would they survive when confronted by a tiger as the tiger could grow a lot bigger in the wild and was know to kill them.
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I think this is a pretty cool find...
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LIONS AND TIGERS.
TWO lions and a tiger!" said Louis, A holding up a picture. "Aren't they splendid-looking fellows? I wonder if they're going to fight?"
"The tiger would get the worst of it, I'm afraid," answered the boy's father as he examined the picture. "Two lions to one tiger are more than a match. They
\ are splendid-looking fellows, that's a fact. ) How grandly the artist has drawn them \" ) "Don't you think, papa, that the tiger • is a little scared?"
) "I shouldn't wonder, for the two great .; lions look as if they were going to eat him ) up. But it isn't likely they'd find that a 5 very easy thing to do, for a tiger is about / as strong as a lion, and more active. He'd j make a hard fight for his life, even with • two against him."
"I think he wants to get off," said
> Louis. "You see that his head is set away from the lions; but they could catch ) him, I reckon.''
•{ "In a race the tiger would beat them. At a single bound he could go eighteen or
> twenty feet."
I "Then he'd better be off," said Louis.
"So I think. Running will be better for him than fighting. Two lions to one' tiger are too much."
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Of course it has been shown that 1 lion is more than enough by people like Kailash sahnkala a Inidan Zoologist, an accounts like the Velar account, but as this man says....2 lions might be just too much for a tiger.0 -
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