Jews refuse to shop at ‘Hitler’ store in India

karma_ wrote: »

Yeah disease played a part, however, as soon as the next Columbus thread goes up I'll be there to argue the point that he was one of the most evil and brutal cúnts that ever graced this planet.

To be fair Columbus was a pretty minor figure in the conquest of the new world. He never even lived to see the actual American continent.

As for the Neanderthals, of course I was just making a point, the fact remains, not a single one remains to tell the tale.

Sometimes species are outcompeted and die out. Doesn't require a genocidal impulse or intent. It's more likely that those folks were slowly outcompeted because we had slightly more kids and more of a support network from other groups. Plus the 4% of Neandertal DNA any of us that aren't African folks have shows they're still here pulsing through our veins. Which is a nice thought.

randylonghorn wrote: »

I think there's some truth there, Wibbs, but it's only one factor.

Certainly, but it is a pretty large factor. It's by far and away the most "popular" atrocity of relatively recent history. Celebrated - for the real need for a better word - in popular western culture. Hell it's damn near atrocity porn for some. Sadly.

Very bloody much so. I grew up with a childhood mate whose family had lost a whole generation in that period. Mercifully with enough familial distance that it wasn't so deeply raw as many in Europe after the dust settled and the truth came out. I grew up listening to the stories of two rellies who's been involved in liberating such camps, or observing same soon after. Like you said RLH it happened on our doorstep and that makes the atrocity that much keener and as was pointed out before the long history of shíte the Jewish people had lived under in Europe just added to it.

The name itself says everything "the final solution". The Nazis invented feck all. The previous "solutions" of identification, exclusion and ghettoisation et al were long before them and in their eyes only went so far. The final solution was annihilation. That's what they invented and followed through with. A 2000 year old arrow pointed at history with a Nazi telescopic sight added in.

It's why it still makes Europeans uncomfortable today(and I include America in that as a large cultural island of Europeanness) . But like I said it;s cos we're exposed to it all the more. We make movies and documentaries and books and all the rest, maybe as some mass cathartic expression? The sheer volume of popularity would suggest so. IT's why it hits so hard and makes us rate it as the worst. IMHO there's an element of race/culture snobbishness to it too. We deep down expect this guff from the "foreigner, the fuzzy wuzzy, the chink, the other" but this period wrankles because we were the "other" to ourselves and for the most part we can't quite explain it. Yet.

Add in the natural political stuff that stemmed from the formation of the state of Israel. They needed to keep it in the public mind of those who mattered and I don't fcuking blame them TBH, though I have serious misgivings over how they sought and seek to achieve what they need and deserve. History can repeat itself in ironic ways hand in hand with real shabbiness coming along for the ride.

I agree with you that despite some black marks, the Irish are relatively free of this negative history; had the Jewish population in this country been bigger, I wonder if we would have been so? Have the attitudes you have no doubt seen reflected on this forum from some members over the last 10 years towards immigrants from Africa and even from Eastern Europe given you reason for confidence that the possibility for race hatred does not exist in the Irish psyche?

Honestly? I think it's a more recent thing and influenced by outside cultural stuff. If you look back through history from the first texts of the Irish monks in cold damp blessed cells you see a feeling of wanting to be part of the greater, the wider world. Isolationists they were not. Neither were for the most part the diaspora that spread across the world(and not just America). We're similar to the Jews in that respect, both of us could be described as wandering, oft self hating, oft paranoid, oft at odds with who we are, and we have Irish mammies and Jewish mammies and shíte cuisine too My childhood mate had an Irish Jewish mammy. He was boned from birth

I do reckon our xenophobia is relatively recent. IT's only a generation ago when Irish men and women went on "the missions" to far flung parts of this globe to try and make a difference and maybe escape what it is to be us still here. A couple of 100,000 went and are largely forgotten today, except in those countries they went to. And we went to places beyond where "irish american" politicians hoover for votes sporting the green. The South Americas are positively infected with MIcks. Che Guevara Lynch but one example(a close mate of mine is a distant rellie of his). As a culture we've traveled and were welcoming to the wayfarer, like Columba, Columbanus et al a thousand years before us. One Saxon writer was flabbergasted to note that the Irish welcomes all seekers of learning for no recompense. We could do well to plug into that cultural history today.

More as an interesting fact than anything else, one of the witnesses of the Nanjing Massacre was German businessman and Nazi Party member (as you pretty much had to be in Germany at that time if you had any aspirations to a successful business) John Rabe.

He was horrified at what he was witnessing, and appealed to Hitler to intervene with the Japanese government. Hitler refused. Rabe personally sheltered and hit many Chinese on his estate during that time, and documented the atrocity in his diaries, which became one of the few independent records of events which the Japanese High Command at the time made every effort to cover-up.

So Hitler's hands were not even clean in the matter of the Nanjing Massacre.

And not everyone who joined the Nazi party was a bastard.

True and true.