Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

TheDoc wrote: »

It is ABUNDANTLY clear and visibly clear when you see Anderson, Rooney and a number of other players, carry some extra weight when they are not playing regularly.

I know lads I played football with, that only gained peak fitness and stamina from playing games.

This comes from maybe a lack of effort on the players part during training, the way their body works or their eating habbits.

I don't need to give specifics, its ****ing obvious....

Read a few times that Rooney and Anderson have weight problems - similar to Cantona - and that the way they combat this is by playing football. Rooney generally plays consistently (in terms of number of games) so it is dealt with early enough in the season. The pre/post Euro break won't help us this season with him, and his leg injury likely to compound the problem. Anderson is always seemingly injured. When he is fit and playing consistently you can see the rapid change in body weight and stamina. When he is constantly picking up little injuries it slows/stops this progress. Ando himself has said he and Rooney are the worst trainers at the club.

I don't know why there is such an arguement over this to be honest. It is very clear that neither Rooney nor Ando treat their body like a temple and maintain 100% professional dedicated to fitness at all times (like, for example, Ronaldo does).

As briefly pointed at above - seemingly Cantona was the same, needed to be playing regularly to keep himself at a 'fighting weight'.

Berba's Facebook.

Please, don't read newspapers..Only lies and speculation in the moment..

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Fergie, get rid of Rooney, Giggs, and Anderson please.

No.

Roger Sterling wrote: »

The reason Hatton's weight explodes when he's not training is because he's a borderline alcoholic.

But he also had one of the most rigorous training regimes in boxing to get him at the right weight and fitness.

TheDoc wrote: »

It is ABUNDANTLY clear and visibly clear when you see Anderson, Rooney and a number of other players, carry some extra weight when they are not playing regularly.

I know lads I played football with, that only gained peak fitness and stamina from playing games.

This comes from maybe a lack of effort on the players part during training, the way their body works or their eating habbits.

I don't need to give specifics, its ****ing obvious....

Yeah sorry but what are those lads doing during training or do they train?,It's impossible to base you're fitness around minutes/games played...

Manchester United is on of thee most professional teams in World Sport with Top notch training regimes throughout the year & with Top notch sports scientists who put together specific diets for individual players.

Theirs a difference between Anderson/Rooney and the typical Asto-turf player...

Not trying to fall out with anyone just stating a fact,you cannot get away with not having 100% fitness at Manchester United its laughable to suggest a player on Sir Alex's books depends on playing time to reduce body fat,laughable.

I imagine Ando will be like Brazilian Ronaldo when he retires. He'll have some pot belly! If he doesn't keep up the high intensity training when he retires, he's gonna be a rolly polly looking guy.

Brenireland wrote: »

Yeah sorry but what are those lads doing during training or do they train?,It's impossible to base you're fitness around minutes/games played...

Manchester United is on of thee most professional teams in World Sport with Top notch training regimes throughout the year & with Top notch sports scientists who put together specific diets for individual players.

Theirs a difference between Anderson/Rooney and the typical Asto-turf player...

Not trying to fall out with anyone just stating a fact,you cannot get away with not having 100% fitness at Manchester United its laughable to suggest a player on Sir Alex's books depends on playing time to reduce body fat,laughable.

Not to be smart, but you ever played football at any decent level?

You always come across lads who get fitter with matches. They are putting the effort and time in with training, but they are not pumping adrenaline and there is some other specifics as to why.

And as Mitch already pointed out, Rooney is normally fine because he is playing games consistently enough.

The only thing laughable here, going by your thoughts, are that SAF played two players in the PL that were not training properly, slacking and unfit.

Its nothing to fall out over, but its a very obvious, real and common enough trait in footballers, and just sports people at most level. I must try find the specifics on it, but its basically that without the mental state/atmosphere of competition and competitiveness, the body basically isn't operating in the same way for this individuals.

I remember Gary Pallister was a prime example. Now even though he was " old skool" he used to say he would benefit more from 90 minutes on the pitch where he might only be active for 20% of the time, then spending 90 minutes on a tradmill in a gym.

TheDoc wrote: »

Not to be smart, but you ever played football at any decent level?

You always come across lads who get fitter with matches. They are putting the effort and time in with training, but they are not pumping adrenaline and there is some other specifics as to why.

And as Mitch already pointed out, Rooney is normally fine because he is playing games consistently enough.

The only thing laughable here, going by your thoughts, are that SAF played two players in the PL that were not training properly, slacking and unfit.

Its nothing to fall out over, but its a very obvious, real and common enough trait in footballers, and just sports people at most level. I must try find the specifics on it, but its basically that without the mental state/atmosphere of competition and competitiveness, the body basically isn't operating in the same way for this individuals.

I remember Gary Pallister was a prime example. Now even though he was " old skool" he used to say he would benefit more from 90 minutes on the pitch where he might only be active for 20% of the time, then spending 90 minutes on a tradmill in a gym.

Where did I say SAF "played two players in the PL that were not training properly, slacking and unfit".....

What I did say was that it is impossible to tell visibly if Anderson or Rooney are over weight at the moment but thats not to say they'll balloon over the next few months etc...

However my point was SAF and his team of sport scientists deem Anderson & Rooney to be underweight & fit their-fore they are not overweight and are still with united.

Fitness & Body-weight come hand in hand what was pallister doing?...Exercise if done proper will keep you fit & at the correct weight not sure where adrenaline comes into play either,sure we all like to get pumped for exercising or running on a threadmill...some of us use music as a motivator

Just looking on FB a few minutes ago and i see Berba updated his own page with " Please, don't read newspapers..Only lies and speculation in the moment.. " i wonder does he mean the Fiorentina move ?

Brenireland wrote: »

Look at the silverware we've won.:cool:

this is the 3rd season out of 4 that weve had injury problems. for those previous 3 seasons, we have won one carling cup and one league title.

hardly inspiring is it?

Brenireland wrote: »

Where did I say SAF "played two players in the PL that were not training properly, slacking and unfit".....

I realise that you didnt say that, but I'm just taking up your point on the high class facilities and experts. Surely they wouldnt play two lads who are unfit, slacking or being unhealthy. I'm sure what they realise, is that the boys gain fitness from actual matches.

What I did say was that it is impossible to tell visibly if Anderson or Rooney are over weight at the moment but thats not to say they'll balloon over the next few months etc...

No one is saying that, I didnt. What I did say is that both, when not playing regularly, visible gain weight/struggle to keep their weight down.

However my point was SAF and his team of sport scientists deem Anderson & Rooney to be underweight & fit their-fore they are not overweight and are still with united.

Incorrect. If the players were slacking and messing they would be gone and we would hear about it. What has most likely happened, as I suspect, is that its recognised the two benefit more from participating in matches to gain fitness, and its been deemed they will be fine after a run of games. You cannot deny there is some VERY visual signs there.

Fitness & Body-weight come hand in hand what was pallister doing?...Exercise if done proper will keep you fit & at the correct weight not sure where adrenaline comes into play either,sure we all like to get pumped for exercising or running on a threadmill...some of us use music as a motivator

Kinda incorrect aswell, not to nitpick, but you can get "fitter" and actually put on weight. Youd be suprised to know most profesional footballers weigh more then the average person of their height and age. They are finely tuned and contain some pretty extraordinary muscles in their legs and lower back, and then some move onto upper body work.

Again that might be nit picking, but its not as simple as " train by running around the pitch and youll be fine" ( not saying you said that)

The advances in sports science, fitness, nutriton etc means that there is a more understanding of the individual needs of a body/person, rather then "en mass" blanket regimes for every player.

TheDoc wrote: »

I realise that you didnt say that, but I'm just taking up your point on the high class facilities and experts. Surely they wouldnt play two lads who are unfit, slacking or being unhealthy. I'm sure what they realise, is that the boys gain fitness from actual matches.


No one is saying that, I didnt. What I did say is that both, when not playing regularly, visible gain weight/struggle to keep their weight down.


Incorrect. If the players were slacking and messing they would be gone and we would hear about it. What has most likely happened, as I suspect, is that its recognised the two benefit more from participating in matches to gain fitness, and its been deemed they will be fine after a run of games. You cannot deny there is some VERY visual signs there.


Kinda incorrect aswell, not to nitpick, but you can get "fitter" and actually put on weight. Youd be suprised to know most profesional footballers weigh more then the average person of their height and age. They are finely tuned and contain some pretty extraordinary muscles in their legs and lower back, and then some move onto upper body work.

Again that might be nit picking, but its not as simple as " train by running around the pitch and youll be fine" ( not saying you said that)

The advances in sports science, fitness, nutriton etc means that there is a more understanding of the individual needs of a body/person, rather then "en mass" blanket regimes for every player.

You win,all good points I never considered.