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Menage-a-trois marriages?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    A threesome has been legally given civil partnership in Brazil. This somewhat undermines the argument that legalising gay marriage opens up the door to other arrangements too.

    I'd say it supports rather than undermines that 'open door' argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    How does that work?
    Is it like a will situation or... I mean if one of them dies, what happens to their property and stuff and all that?

    But if you mean in general about a three way civil union, nope, not an issue.

    Marriage, yes. Two people only for that. But hey, if you someone willingly marries three people and it's good in their eyes, fine by me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Giselle wrote: »
    I'd say it supports rather than undermines that 'open door' argument.

    Indeed, that was what I meant to say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Awesome


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭ITS_A_BADGER


    Giselle wrote: »
    I'd say it supports rather than undermines that 'open door' argument.

    twill be back door and front door, No arguments ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    I would like foursome marriages to be legal, then there would always be enough for a decent game of dawn or bridge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    And the next thing you know the dogs are laying down with cats, men are marrying horses and the whole of society crumbles into one mass of heaving filth and wipes itself out.

    All because same sex couples want to have the same rights as other couples.

    This is why we can't have nice things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    And the next thing you know the dogs are laying down with cats, men are marrying horses and the whole of society crumbles into one mass of heaving filth and wipes itself out.

    All because same sex couples want to have the same rights as other couples.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    Marrying horses, you say?
    :cool:
    I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Its the natural next step really. Whatever 2/a group of adult humans choose to do... bla bla bla


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    Civil marriage is a legal contract, it is possible to be in a partnership which is governed by a legal contract with more then one person, so I don't see why civil marriage is restricted to a partnership with just one person.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Civil marriage is a legal contract, it is possible to be in a partnership which is governed by a legal contract with more then one person, so I don't see why civil marriage is restricted to a partnership with just one person.

    I was thinking that myself. But then I figured, how's it going to work with a three way contract?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Civil marriage is a legal contract, it is possible to be in a partnership which is governed by a legal contract with more then one person, so I don't see why civil marriage is restricted to a partnership with just one person.

    But contracts can be drawn up in very complicated circumstances covering all manner of business practices with no analogue in relationships.
    Do you envisage any reasonable limitations being put on such marriage contracts if they were expanded beyond two people?
    What about, say, 5 oul lads and a 18 year old girl? Or a marriage that says you and I are married Monday to Friday, but at the weekend I'm married to someone else?
    I think applying the model of contract law to relationships is not necessarily the way forward.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Civil marriage is a legal contract, it is possible to be in a partnership which is governed by a legal contract with more then one person, so I don't see why civil marriage is restricted to a partnership with just one person.

    The word marriage is key here, and its different from business contracts in the spirit, if not the letter of the law.

    Business partnership contracts have always had an open number of partners, marriage is restricted both culturally and by all precedent, to two.

    Personally I don't care who marries who, in what combination or number, as long as everyone is equally happy with the arrangement and that inheiritance and parental rights are legislated for, with regard to the childrens stability.

    How stable a kids life can be with four dads and six mums is another question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    And the next thing you know the dogs are laying down with cats, men are marrying horses and the whole of society crumbles into one mass of heaving filth and wipes itself out.

    All because same sex couples want to have the same rights as other couples.

    This is why we can't have nice things.
    tried that once. She was a right nag. everything was just 'ney, ney, ney'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Are Mormons not polygamists?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Are Mormons not polygamists?

    Not for over a century. There are some offshoot Mormon cults from the main church which still practice it illegally though. The head of one of them got banged up a few years ago for the usual culty behaviour - shagging all the women (and young girls), disinheriting and expelling the lads, and stockpiling weapons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Not for over a century. There are some offshoot Mormon cults from the main church which still practice it illegally though. The head of one of them got banged up a few years ago for the usual culty behaviour - shagging all the women (and young girls), disinheriting and expelling the lads, and stockpiling weapons.

    Is that currently true of every state as in is it illegal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    And the next thing you know the dogs are laying down with cats, men are marrying horses and the whole of society crumbles into one mass of heaving filth and wipes itself out.

    All because same sex couples want to have the same rights as other couples.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    I used to be married to a horse. Was an absolute nightmare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Are Mormons not polygamists?

    I think it was 1889 when another divine revelation came from the angel who revealed polygamy is not the way. What that meant was Utah could join the Union.

    There was something similar in 1979 when it was declared black people no longer bare the mark of cain, so as of from then, black people could become mormon priests.

    It sounds like my type of religion, nice and Mitt Romney or wacky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Is that currently true of every state as in is it illegal?

    Yes. It's a felony in most, and a misdemeanour in Texas and a few other states. In some states it's illegal even for groups to co-habit without marrying.
    It's legal only in a handful of West African nations and some Muslim Asian states, and in all cases only to permit one man to have more than one wife.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    wasn't polygamy big in the OT?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Yes. It's a felony in most, and a misdemeanour in Texas and a few other states. In some states it's illegal even for groups to co-habit without marrying.
    It's legal only in a handful of West African nations and some Muslim Asian states, and in all cases only to permit one man to have more than one wife.

    Out of interest why is it a misdemeanour in some states and a felony in others, maybe it is ignorance on my part but I know which one I would rather be caught for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 RBX


    There have been cases before, where marriage wasn't always between two people. There have been cases where women have married themselves (
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/22/us-taiwan-wedding-idUSTRE69L0NY20101022 and http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/new-marriage-mockery-bride-marries-self ). Other cases have had people marry objects ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_sexuality )

    Having that said, I believe this development is original. There have been polygamous marriages in the past, but that would have been one person married to two or more other people. The two or more other people wouldn't AFAIK have been married to each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Out of interest why is it a misdemeanour in some states and a felony in others, maybe it is ignorance on my part but I know which one I would rather be caught for.

    States get to make their own laws over there. I'm sure there are historical and cultural reasons for the differences in approach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    RBX wrote: »
    There have been cases before, where marriage wasn't always between two people. There have been cases where women have married themselves (
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/22/us-taiwan-wedding-idUSTRE69L0NY20101022 and http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/new-marriage-mockery-bride-marries-self ). Other cases have had people marry objects ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_sexuality )

    None of those were legal marriages or even partnerships. They don't even have the status of the 'common law' polygamy practiced by Aboriginals in Australia. They're just crazy people having parties for themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    If A wants to divorce B and C but C does'nt want to divorce A what happens to B and C?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    kneemos wrote: »
    If A wants to divorce B and C but C does'nt want to divorce A what happens to B and C?

    Milk?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Milk?

    Mmmmm eh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Milk?
    kneemos wrote: »
    Mmmmm eh.

    I know this is Afterhours, and it is late, but I appear to have overestimated the quality of contributions to this discussion. Ah well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I know this is Afterhours, and it is late, but I appear to have overestimated the quality of contributions to this discussion. Ah well.

    My cabbage is curly.


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