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Tailgating and Road Rage

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  • #332
    coolbeans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    You see the worst in people when they drive. This thread proves it. Full of self righteous knobs who consider themselves good drivers and the rest incompetent. Trouble is nearly every driver has this mindset of being a good driver whilst the rest are useless. Trouble is this doesn't quite add up when you look at the appalling level of driving generally. Not one person has said that their driving could improve. This is why i have come to hate driving.


  • #333
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

    As for being bad for the engine, what size engine are you referring to?

    The man who battered the English man to death probably had a number of anger issues, only sparked by a tailgater, it wasn't the only factor


    Yes, my beeping alerts them to their mistake, should they be unaware of it. How am I to know whether they are aware of it or not? I'd like to make sure they are

    yes, I have indeed. So what I do is stay in the lane and, if I have to, go a way I don't intend to because to stop there and block the lane to others who haven't made such a mistake is extremely selfish. Why should someone else be delayed because I can't figure out a basic road layout?

    I'm not talking about getting out of the car, or verbally abusing people. My point is simply letting people know they've inconvenienced you by not thinking about their actions. How else can people become aware of their mistakes, and hence avoid repeating them again?

    Too many people are far too selfish, and the above example you provided is an excellent one. Anyone inadvertently caught in the wrong lane has two choices, either continue, go the wrong way then try and get back on track, or block and delay everyone else because of their mistake. Anyone choosing the latter should not be allowed on the road, and should be made feel embarrassed


    120 on the motorway is the limit not the goal. a lot of people drive between 80 and 100. smaller engines like a fiat punto do not handle 120plus that well.

    the beeping can be unnecessary. if someone cuts out they are aware that something has gone wrong. I beep only if a car is coming out in front of me and the driver is not looking and a collision is imminent. you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.


  • #334
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    coolbeans wrote: »
    You see the worst in people when they drive. This thread proves it. Full of self righteous knobs who consider themselves good drivers and the rest incompetent. Trouble is nearly every driver has this mindset of being a good driver whilst the rest are useless. Trouble is this doesn't quite add up when you look at the appalling level of driving generally. Not one person has said that their driving could improve. This is why i have come to hate driving.

    assume everyone on the road is a fool and is going to mess up. makes you more vigilant.


  • #335
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    MusicalMelody wrote: »
    I have terrible road rage! All drivers are inferior to my skills... I need therapy :-s


    you jest but there are people on this thread who would willingly push someone towards an accident.

    I was on the motorway doing 80km in torential rain where i could barely see and cars were speeding past at 120 with no lights on.


  • #336
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    MusicalMelody wrote: »
    I have terrible road rage! All drivers are inferior to my skills... I need therapy :-s

    No you don't, everyone else needs therapy. ;)
    Fuinseog wrote: »
    you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.

    Woah woah woah...let's just keep this clean. Less of your vulgarity and more about driving. :p


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  • #337
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    What really p1sses me off is the amount of fcuktards who constantly veer over the line to the other side of the road on bends.

    Seriously, spacial awareness seems to be rubbish in a lot of cases in this country.


  • #338
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    The only time I tail gate is when people do stuff like not move off quick enough at the lights (as if its a fcuking shock that the light has changed from red to green), or when people are slow going through ambers etc

    You do realise that you're supposed to stop at an amber light?


  • #339
    preddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭preddy


    Valetta wrote: »
    You do realise that you're supposed to stop at an amber light?

    Only if safe to do so. Jamming on would cause more problems!


  • #340
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    david wrote: »
    Not sure if it's been mentioned but the type of car you drive has an impact on how other drivers respect you IMO

    true, a female colleague told me she was driving a small car along a country road and she was behind a beamer. when she went to overtake he moved out and refused to let her pass.


  • #341
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    preddy wrote: »
    Only if safe to do so. Jamming on would cause more problems!

    you see the light and prepare to stop.its all about reading the road. a lot of people see the light and floor it.


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  • #342
    gubbie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭gubbie


    Topper Harley wrote: »
    2) Even if not, can I briefly and easily speed up slightly to overtake a bit quicker and facilitate the car behind? (don't be overly pedantic here, it'll only be for a few seconds)

    I'd disagree to this part.

    If I had sped up, the car behind me would have sped up too and sat on my bumper again. All speeding up does is make it worse should I have to brake suddenly.

    Why should I have to facilitate him? Why can't he facilitate me by allowing me this extra 20 seconds it would take to complete the maneuver before speeding off.
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Obviously if someone stalls are similar I'm not going to. Regarding the tailgating at 110kph, I specifically stated I wouldn't do it, just that I have no sympathy for those that are tailgated at that speed. My rational is that its perfectly safe on a motorway (wx conditions dependent) to do 120kph. So why not do it and avoid unnecessarily delaying others?

    In my example, I was doing over 110kph. My dial reads in miles so I generally stick to just past the 70mph which is about 114kph (as it's pretty hard to see the kph dial). Do I deserve to be put at risk?


  • #343
    Jo King
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Jo King


    gubbie wrote: »


    In my example, I was doing over 110kph. My dial reads in miles so I generally stick to just past the 70mph which is about 114kph (as it's pretty hard to see the kph dial). Do I deserve to be put at risk?

    Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.


  • #344
    [Deleted User]
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    david wrote: »
    Not sure if it's been mentioned but the type of car you drive has an impact on how other drivers respect you IMO

    That's true.
    Everytime i see an STi or a Skyline, they are being tailgated by a micra, fiesta, civic etc.


  • #345
    The Idyll Race
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭The Idyll Race


    Jo King wrote: »
    Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

    It's remarkable just how similar the idea that those being tailgated are at fault to the old discredited trope that women who were assaulted were asking for it.


  • #346
    TonyStark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭TonyStark


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    120 on the motorway is the limit not the goal. a lot of people drive between 80 and 100. smaller engines like a fiat punto do not handle 120plus that well.

    the beeping can be unnecessary. if someone cuts out they are aware that something has gone wrong. I beep only if a car is coming out in front of me and the driver is not looking and a collision is imminent. you will blow the wrong person some day and they will come after you.

    People with cars they are uncomfortable to drive at the speed limit on the motorway should really not be using the motorway. There are plenty roads around the country where there are speed limits are low enough to facilitate their skill level in terms of driving.

    Ironically, In general I find those in such cars tend tailgate slower moving traffic like buses and lorries themselves and show in my personal experience poor overtaking skills. This is part of where the frustration arises IMHO.

    I can see the puzzlement on their faces when they go to perform an overtaking manouvre and enter the overtaking lane and then they realise that there is car suddenly right up their arse, flashing lights etc. 9/10 they probably have checked their mirror, but have failed to exercise any judgement in relation to the speed of traffic in that overtaking lane already and have simply arrived into a faster lane. They then gradually accelerate towards the speed limit in the hope that this will carry them clear of whatever they are overtaking and dismiss the car behind as a lunatic of some sort.

    It's not very considerate on their part to those who are already engaged in an overtaking manouvre already to impede them from it. It borders in my mind of driving without due care and consideration. From my understanding of the rules of the road, faster moving overtaking from traffic behind you always has right of way.

    In general I find the safest way to overtake a vehicle is to accelerate faster than it and clear it as quickly and safely as possible returning to the driving lane as soon as the opportunity arises. I do this to keep myself safe and those travelling in the overtaking lane behind me safe. At all times throughout the manouvre i feel competant and safe driving at 120kmph and when necessary faster than the speed limit in order to carry myself clear from any potentially fatal threats.


  • #347
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Jo King wrote: »
    You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

    Absouloutly wrong. There are lots of legimate reasons why someone might be driving below the speed limit. There are no good reasons to tailgait someone, the tailgaiter is allways at fault.


  • #348
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Well then drive on a road or lane where the expectation isn't that you drive at 120kph.

    I wonder could you provide a link to the driving guide that informs us that we are all expected to drive at exactly the speed limit.


  • #349
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    RVP 11 wrote: »
    That's true.
    Everytime i see an STi or a Skyline, they are being tailgated by a micra, fiesta, civic etc.

    That's funny cos I once caught an STi from a little tailgating in a micra :D


  • #350
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    Jo King wrote: »
    Allowing for under calibration you were probably doing about 106 Kph. If it is safe to do 120 KPH and you are doing that speed you are going to cause frustration. You should not be put at risk but you should realise that your own behaviour is putting you at risk.

    But you cant allow for under calibration. If you assume your speedometer is under calibrated and decide that the real 120 KPH is really 130 KPH indication you are knowingly breaking the speed limit.

    When the sign says 120 or 100 or whatever, that is the indicated speed you should not exceed.


  • #351
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    If you're being tail-gated folks, the chances are you are going too slowly. A now non-taught (unfortunately) and mostly forgotten rule of the road is make progress. Please bear this in mind.


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  • #352
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    karma_ wrote: »
    If you're being tail-gated folks, the chances are you are going too slowly. A now non-taught (unfortunately) and mostly forgotten rule of the road is make progress. Please bear this in mind.

    It still does not make tailgating and flashing lights the correct thing to do.


  • #353
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Elfinknight wrote: »
    It still does not make tailgating and flashing lights the correct thing to do.

    And if people made progress, they wouldn't be tail-gated.


  • #354
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    karma_ wrote: »
    And if people made progress, they wouldn't be tail-gated.

    But driving under the speed limit is not illegal, whereas exceeding it and tailgating are


  • #355
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Elfinknight wrote: »
    But driving under the speed limit is not illegal, whereas exceeding it and tailgating are

    No, it's not illegal, but it can cause other problems on the road.


  • #356
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    karma_ wrote: »
    No, it's not illegal, but it can cause other problems on the road.

    well try using that as an excuse when your caught for dangerous driving by the Gardai


  • #357
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Elfinknight wrote: »
    well try using that as an excuse when your caught for dangerous driving by the Gardai

    I never tailgate, I will flash lights occasionally on the motorway if some one is hogging the fast lane. Fortunately I possess one of the other long lost skills of the road, the ability to overtake.


  • #358
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    karma_ wrote: »
    I never tailgate, I will flash lights occasionally on the motorway if some one is hogging the fast lane. Fortunately I possess one of the other long lost skills of the road, the ability to overtake.

    I would think that would still be classed as dangerous driving because flashing the lights at the guy in front of you, just because he is not travelling fast enough for you, is aggressive driving.


  • #359
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    I am a pretty good driver generally. But I think I do tend to get angry at people who I perceive to have done wrong.

    At one point some random set of random circumstances resulted in a toy gun appearing in my car.

    So, as it was there I said I might as well use it.

    Instead of getting angry at other drivers I'd pull the trigger on the toy gun and calmly imagine their faces imploding.

    It took a few hours before I realised that pulling the trigger of a gun every time somebody annoyed me on the road was probably not a viable or sane long term solution.

    You dont drive a taxi do you?

    I got into a taxi in Swords one day, and the taxi driver turned around to me with what looked like a Walther PPK in his hand and said "Does this look real to you?". My chin was on the floor and I gurgled a "what" at him. He said again "Does this look real to you?". He ejected the magazine, pulled back the top slide, no round was ejected and he put the magazine back in. "What" I managed again. He then went on to say "Its good isnt it? Very realistic. Some kid left it in the car, and I was wondering if it looks authentic. I thought I could use it on drunks or what not."

    I bet that was you.


  • #360
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Elfinknight wrote: »
    I would think that would still be classed as dangerous driving because flashing the lights at the guy in front of you, just because he is not travelling fast enough for you, is aggressive driving.

    I honestly cannot say what the police would make of that one, I'd imagine though they would rather someone not sit indefinitely in the fast lane holding traffic up. That lane is only for overtaking, and should not be used at any other time.


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  • #361
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    karma_ wrote: »
    I never tailgate, I will flash lights occasionally on the motorway if some one is hogging the fast lane. Fortunately I possess one of the other long lost skills of the road, the ability to overtake.

    Hogging the overtaking lane is p1ss poor inconsiderate driving. Tailgating is dangerous driving.


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