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what's the story with water metering?

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  • #32
    hoochis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭hoochis


    eth0 wrote: »
    They could put in a one way valve but they might also rather pocket the money. The pressure isnt that high in a lot of places but really if i was able to supply decent quality water they should allow me to inject water into the supply as with electricity. It might be cheaper than storing the rain water, pump could run only at night

    Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.


  • #33
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    hoochis wrote: »
    Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.


    With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


    Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high


  • #34
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    syklops wrote: »



    I do see metering as a good thing. You pay for what you use.

    But it has to be drinkable. The Tap water in the Shannon is just pure **** altogether. The dogs won't even drink it.

    We easily have to buy 30 litres of water a week for ourselves.


  • #35
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    So we are due water charges next year which will be metered.

    I recently noticed some new decorations to the side of my rural road. Colouredy slabs of stones that stick up and out from the road. I'm guessing these must be the water meters.

    Wouldn't you expect a meter placed outside of every home/house? Instead they are placed every couple hundred metres apart. Like one for every third/fourth house.

    Is that it? Neighbours sharing their water bills or something,

    Have they got 'S.V.' wrote on them, if so you're in trouble:eek:


  • #36
    hoochis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭hoochis


    eth0 wrote: »
    With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


    Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high

    I cant see the economics of it stack up really! You would have to supply an awful lot of water to cover the cost of a pump, rainwater harvesting equipment, maintenance and water testing. 1000 square feet roof coverage will only supply about 100,000 litres of water per year.


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  • #37
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,610 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    hoochis wrote: »
    I cant see the economics of it stack up really! You would have to supply an awful lot of water to cover the cost of a pump, rainwater harvesting equipment, maintenance and water testing. 1000 square feet roof coverage will only supply about 100,000 litres of water.

    Don't think they're gonna let any tom,dick or harry pump untreated water into the system either,you'd have a public outcry.


  • #38
    sunnysoutheast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭sunnysoutheast


    eth0 wrote: »
    hoochis wrote: »
    Even if you could pump water into the network, I don't think it would be cost effective for the council. They would have to send out a council worker every so often to collect and test the water you are pumping.


    With every council worker entitled to a 200e 'getting up off your arse bonus' under the croke park agreement as well as their intention to make a profit out of this it wouldnt be worth it for them at all but that doesnt mean my right to contribute water should be denied. Testing could be done by a private company you send samples in to and occasionally call round to do tests


    Having individuals contribute to the system will help competiton and prevent the council from pushing their prices too high

    There will be no feed-in tariff eqivalents for water, if you stop and think about even for a second the idea is ludicrous.

    Meters are fitted with non-return valves to prevent backflow. if it is an advanced or smart meter this triggers an alarm which is picked up the next time it is read or transmits data, same with leak alarms.


  • #39
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Don't worry about the water meters, the cost, like that for bins will be covered by the household charge.




    Won't it ?


  • #40
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    kneemos wrote: »
    Don't think they're gonna let any tom,dick or harry pump untreated water into the system either,you'd have a public outcry.

    A squirt of domestos in the barrel after a good shower, 2 if its after a dry period and the roof of the shed is covered in bird shyte. Itd be grand sure thats what the council do anyway and charge a fortune for it. Also people contributing wont put in any fluoride.

    Ould wans will still be crying out but tis sure to improve the water quality from what we have now


  • #41
    WhatNowForUs?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭WhatNowForUs?


    eth0 wrote: »
    They could put in a one way valve but they might also rather pocket the money. The pressure isnt that high in a lot of places but really if i was able to supply decent quality water they should allow me to inject water into the supply as with electricity. It might be cheaper than storing the rain water, pump could run only at night


    So many things wrong with this. Apart from the economics of it the Health & Safety issue is paramount. Contamination could not be controlled - you can't really contaminate electricity.


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  • #42
    Elfinknight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Elfinknight


    eth0 wrote: »
    A squirt of domestos in the barrel after a good shower, 2 if its after a dry period and the roof of the shed is covered in bird shyte. Itd be grand sure thats what the council do anyway and charge a fortune for it. Also people contributing wont put in any fluoride.

    Ould wans will still be crying out but tis sure to improve the water quality from what we have now

    Anything is an improvement on what comes out of our taps.


  • #43
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    And I also can't imagine the price of water being that much. How much could it possibly cost?
    I dont think its about the cost of water. Govt coffers more like!


  • #44
    annoyedatthree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭annoyedatthree


    news today ...water meters may well never be put in ...the logistics and money to put them in far outweighs the money that would be recovered let alone the cost of maintaining them and reading..Ireland only has to start charging for water by 2014 under the agreement we are NOT obliged by the agreement to install meters and as such it will be a flat charge for everyone governed by the amount of people living in the house..a flat charge the first year then amended the second year..remind you of anything..I am one of the dumb schmucks that that did the water meter course with chevron..I did it because of the advertisements by the government and also by chevron..I am a plumber by trade but you are only allowed to fit them if youve got a cert so i did the course..it cost €500 euros to do ..non plumbers are being charged a thousand euros to do the course ..the cert only lasts 5 years and there wont be meters put in in 5 years so you will have to do it again bullsxxt:mad: corruption in this country is getting to a point of no return as i here on the news just now that a TD put in a bill of €5000 for travel expenses in 1 month yet never left the country...and had it paid...what a place to live in:confused:


  • #45
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    It now seems its gonna take longer then expected to have domestic water meters installed around the country.



    The
    government was dead set on bringing in water charges by 2014, however, according
    to senior water industry sources it looks like 2016 is a more realistic
    target.


    For
    a while there, all that everyone could talk about was the introduction of water
    meters. Then, for some reason (most likely the Household Charge) everyone
    stopped talking about them. Well they’re back in the news again and this time it
    looks like they’re going to be delayed. Well we’re not complaining...





    Apparently,
    the water meters can’t be installed until the number and location of all the
    stopcocks in your house have been determined and it's taking a lot longer to
    find this out than was originally expected.





    Minister
    for the Environment Phil Hogan initially wanted to get work started by the end
    of this year with plans for finishing up in 2014. The government also said that
    it would not charge for water until the meters have been installed across the
    country.





    According
    to senior industry sources, the government was a tad off with their prediction
    that it would all be completed by 2014 and that finishing by Spring 2016 would
    still be a difficult target to reach.

    http://www.joe.ie/easygoing-joe/relaxation-101/looks-like-we-wont-have-to-worry-about-water-meters-until-2016-0027975-1

    PLANS
    TO start installing domestic water meters by the end this year are looking
    increasingly remote because of a lack of information on the location of
    household water supply points.


    Water
    meters cannot be installed until the location and number of household stopcocks
    has been determined. Tenders for the supply of meters have yet to be
    advertised.


    Senior
    water industry sources now say it would be inconceivable that universal metering
    could be in place by 2014, the date by which the Government has committed to
    charging for water. The sources say it will now be 2016, at the earliest, before
    national metering could be achieved.


    In
    addition, they warn the upfront installation of meters by the Government target
    date of 2014, would be prohibitively expensive and could result in households
    being charged more than if a flat charge were used initially.


    Minister
    for the Environment Phil Hogan said last April the installation of water metres
    would begin before the end of this year and would be completed by 2014.The
    Government has also said it will not charge for water until meters have been
    installed nationally.


    A
    pilot survey to establish the number and location of stopcocks in three local
    authority areas is set to begin in October.


    Fingal,
    Kerry and Wexford are understood to be the first counties to be surveyed in an
    attempt to establish how many stopcocks, which are located underground,
    generally just outside property boundaries, are serving homes across the
    State.


    The
    pilot surveys alone are likely to take several months to complete. It is not
    known when the remaining 30 local authorities will begin assessing the location
    of their stopcocks.


    One
    senior figure in the local authority water sector said it would take about four
    to six months to conduct the pilot surveys.


    “I
    can’t see how there’ll be meters in the ground on a national basis in 2014,” the
    source added. “If everything went extremely smoothly in the procurement process
    they could be finished in Spring 2016, but that would be a best case
    scenario

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0831/1224323383072.html
    It its gonna take that long to install water meters-I predict they will attempt to apply a flat rate water charge for the next few years, given if its set to take four years to install the meters.


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