Breaking News - WW2 UXB found in Schwabing, Munich

Cienciano · 28-08-2012 04:52PM

Thinly veiled "my relatives live in the plush city district of Schwabing" thread

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 04:59PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Thinly veiled "my relatives live in the plush city district of Schwabing" thread

None of my relatives live in Schwabing. Some of them work there.

dj jarvis · 28-08-2012 05:03PM

who_me wrote: »

Found this fascinating, googled it, not sure this is the same one:

"The munitions dump in the Beaufort's Dyke trench, off Stranraer - which holds more than 1 million tons of bombs, rockets and shells, including 14,000 tons of rockets with phosgene poison gas warheads,is seven times larger than previously thought."

"More dangerous chemical weapons were disposed of in deep water further out to sea.The letter also details operation Sandcastle, in 1955-56, in which 71,000 quarter-ton German bombs filled with the nerve gas tabun were loaded into the hulks of three merchant ships and dumped between 2,000 and 2,4000m down, 80 miles north-west of Ireland."

1 megaton in Beaufort's Dyke? (although, in fairness, much of that might not still be dangerous). Yikes.

the guy i heard said that in fact it get more unstable as time goes by , it very well could be the same one , and by all accounts , if and when it goes we will not miss it , can you post the link to where you found your info ? i would be really into reading more about it , cheers

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 28-08-2012 05:12PM

Can we not mention the war please :pac:

Lapin · 28-08-2012 06:27PM

Mike Godwin would love this thread.

Lapin · 28-08-2012 06:33PM

marcsignal wrote: »

None of my relatives live in Schwabing.

marcsignal wrote: »

An unexploded WW2 Bomb has just been found in the plush city district of Schwabing in Munich.
Just got a phone call about this 10 mins ago, from relatives living there.

Did they move out of the plush city district when the bomb was found ?

imme · 28-08-2012 06:52PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Yep, I know here I am, and unless you're a re-reg, I've known it 5 years longer than you (1)

Because Munich is in Germany, in the EU, and thousands of Irish are living, visiting, and studying there. (2)

There are about 10 Irish people in the vast expanse that is Afghanistan. Some members of our Defence Forces, and probably some Aid Workers. Why should we be even remotely concerned, when some Afghan fuzzy wuzzy straps a bomb to himself, and blows a load of British or American soldiers up ? That war is none of our business. (3)

You couldn't be more wrong, there are estimated to be 4'000 UXBs in Berlin alone, and between 2006 and 2009, approx 15,000 WW2 ordnance devices were found in the UK.

Not new devices, but still bloody dangerous. (4)

Posting this in AH was for reach purposes only. Posting in in Humanities, or Needlework wouldn't have had quite the same effect. (5)

(1) Is this the first day of school. :cool:

(2) Hurricane in Florida, there are Irish people there. Floods in Myanmar, there are Irish people there. Your point?

(3) News is made and reported by the media. Your non story wasn't reported in Ireland because it is a non story in Ireland, to Irish people in Ireland.

(4) There is no new stock of WWII bombs. Bombs that were dropped in WWII are still waiting to be discovered but as you acknowledge there are no new bombs, the war is over, whereas the war in Afghanistan is live and continuing.

(5) "Reach Purposes",

whatever.

There is a Military section you know:P. Yes, I know you know before you say 'I know".

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 07:11PM

imme wrote: »

(1) Is this the first day of school. :cool:

(2) Hurricane in Florida, there are Irish people there. Floods in Myanmar, there are Irish people there. Your point?

(3) News is made and reported by the media. Your non story wasn't reported in Ireland because it is a non story in Ireland, to Irish people in Ireland.

(4) There is no new stock of WWII bombs. Bombs that were dropped in WWII are still waiting to be discovered but as you acknowledge there are no new bombs, the war is over, whereas the war in Afghanistan is live and continuing.

(5) "Reach Purposes", whatever.

There is a Military section you know:P. Yes, I know you know before you say 'I know".

(1-5) Listen 'Bell End' I couldn't give a tuppenny, fuck if you are alive or dead, nevermind what you actually think :rolleyes:

Boombastic · 28-08-2012 07:24PM

Mayson Scary Balloon wrote: »

Ga this is bollocks. They are trying to defuse it with remote control now. If they fail then they cannot do a controlled detonation until tomorrow which means anotehr night of this ****e.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Webcam oder Gehen Sie die **** aus!

Heir ist ein Webcam

Micky Dolenz · 28-08-2012 07:31PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

They freely elected a party that pushed for a war. And got it.
And you need to look at the devastation their bombers caused through out Europe.
Sickens me, that as time goes by, people try to disassociate the Nazis from the general German population.
Its not like they were a seperate ethnic group. The nazis were German. And at the time the Germans were HAPPY to be nazis.
Seperate thread probably. Rant over

Most of the war time Nazi's are dead now.

Move on. Like the rest of Europe has.

fergiesfolly · 28-08-2012 09:12PM

A lot of the older generations of Poland, France, Belgium, Holland etc havn't moved on and can't.
As can't the survivors and their children move on from the concentration camps. Such was the mental scars left by the atrocities committed there.
Those who cannot remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.

marzic · 28-08-2012 09:39PM

O holy good fcuk! I was just in a bar down there with my mate...

in November 1998

Lapin · 28-08-2012 09:50PM

marzic wrote: »

O holy good fcuk! I was just in a bar down there with my mate...

Was it 'plush' ?

Cú Giobach · 28-08-2012 09:59PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

A lot of the older generations of Poland, France, Belgium, Holland etc havn't moved on and can't.
As can't the survivors and their children move on from the concentration camps. Such was the mental scars left by the atrocities committed there.
Those who cannot remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.

There is a difference between remembering the past, and holding a grudge, and it was the holding of a grudge that allowed the whole bloody mess to get going.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 10:09PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

A lot of the older generations of Poland, France, Belgium, Holland etc havn't moved on and can't.
As can't the survivors and their children move on from the concentration camps. Such was the mental scars left by the atrocities committed there.
Those who cannot remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.

I hate this line. History is all about the repition of mistakes. WW2 happened because Hitler came to power mainly by protesting the "unfair" reparations of the treaty of Versailles, and now you;er saying we should make Germany continuously suffer again??

Or what are you propsing?

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2012 10:12PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

similar story to that one but on a more massive scale

off the welsh coast , in the irish sea the brits dumped all spare munitions from ww1 and a sizable amount from ww2 ( a deep trench on the sea bed )

Actually most of it is between Northern Ireland and Scotland.
One million tonnes and includes nasty things like phosphorus and nerve gas http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4032629.stm

He told the programme: "Most of the weapons dumped in the Beaufort's Dyke... weren't designed to go under water.

"There are sporadic explosions two or three times a month, I should think, in the Irish Sea, popping off all the time."

Asked whether the oldest munitions in the Dyke were losing their ability to withstand corrosion, Mr Fellows said: "Yes. They are getting old and they're liable to go bang."

A local councillor in Northern Ireland, Oliver McMullan, told Costing The Earth the Dyke contained sarin and tabun (both nerve gases), phosgene, mustard gas and explosives.

Incendiary bombs containing phosphate used to drift onto the shore each winter, said Mr McMullan.

http://www.kimointernational.org/DumpingatSea.aspx

"Estimates suggest that in excess of one million tonnes of munitions were dumped in Beaufort's Dyke (Irish Sea), some 168,000 tonnes in Skagerrak and some 300,000 tonnes in the North Sea...There are 148 individual dumpsites spread from Iceland to Gibralter."

karma_ · 28-08-2012 10:17PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Spiegel Online article with pics.

I thought I heard something recently about the U.S. to soon send people in there on a large scale to try to clean all that up. This is all I can find on it at the moment.

Was this not regarding a proposed partial cleanup of Agent Orange?

dj jarvis · 28-08-2012 10:21PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Actually most of it is between Northern Ireland and Scotland.
One million tonnes and includes nasty things like phosphorus and never gas http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4032629.stm

http://www.kimointernational.org/DumpingatSea.aspx

quote of the thread "Yes. They are getting old and they're liable to go bang."

is that a line from 50 shades of grey ???

marzic · 28-08-2012 10:21PM

Lapin wrote: »

Was it 'plush' ?

Positiv üppig Liebling!:pac:

Capt'n Midnight · 28-08-2012 10:22PM

It's a big problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7797710/German-bomb-disposal-experts-killed-while-trying-to-defuse-US-bomb.html

Three German bomb disposal experts were killed when the Second World War bomb they were trying to defuse exploded.
...
Builders discovered the device 24 feet underground while working on the construction of a sports stadium in a densely populated area.
...
More than 2,000 tons of American and British aerial bombs are discovered in Germany each year,
...
"The last few years we've found that the detonators we take out of such bombs are increasingly brittle," he said in 2008.

"We had three extracted detonators go off with a pissssh sound while they were being transported away, all it took was a bit of vibration.

"One day such bombs will be so sensitive that no one will be able to handle them."

Now consider Cambodia, from October 1965 to August 1973, the United States dropped a staggering 2,756,941 tons of ordnance there. Also between 4 to 6 million land mines.

BUBBLE WRAP · 28-08-2012 10:24PM

Boombastic wrote: »

That's explosive news!

I laughed atthat for about 10min. Your username makes it somuch better.

:D:D

Lapin · 28-08-2012 10:37PM

Well they finally let it off -

BrokenArrows · 28-08-2012 10:40PM

Lapin wrote: »

Well they finally let it off -

Links?

Pottler · 28-08-2012 10:44PM

Someone around here, ahem, might have found a hand grenade his auld lad kept as a WW2 "momento" in the attic and brought it to school for a "show and tell" jobbie, unbeknownst to parents.:o This might have led to quite a schamozzle, several large lies, an unbelievable amount of blue lights and the discovery(eventually:D)that the fuse had been removed long ago. Said youngfella went right off "show and tell" sessions after that, apparently... On another note, if there's nerve gas dumped underwater, would one of two things happen? 1, it gets dissolved and absorbed by aquatic organisms, or 2. It bubbles to the surface and is released into the environment. Probably best not to be too close to either eventuality?

Lapin · 28-08-2012 10:50PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Links?

Yup.

fergiesfolly · 28-08-2012 10:52PM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

There is a difference between remembering the past, and holding a grudge, and it was the holding of a grudge that allowed the whole bloody mess to get going.

Probably easier to not hold a grudge when we are so far removed, geographically, historically and emotionally from the events that ocurred.
I read a book recently(name escapes me at the moment) that chronicled the lives of some of the suvivors of the concentration camps. The interviews continued up untill the early 90s and the scars on the lives of these people and their decendants is clear to see and humbling to read.
Do I hold a grudge against the German people of today.No
Do I hold a grudge against their parents and grandparents. Most certainly yes.
What struck me over the years of reading, listening and watching stories about the years of nazi dominance in Germany, was the lack of willingness to accept blame by the general German population for their part in the events that happened. Plenty of shame that these things happened on German soil and were perpetrated by German people. But they never seemed to want to accept their own individual roles in it. Claims of ignorance and innocence peppered their conversations on the past. These claims seem incredulous, when the scale of what happened is fully appreciated.
Its hard to forgive a nation that won't accept its own complicity in the society they created.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 10:53PM

Not really much to see, but fwiw....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOhtLUivKHI

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 10:58PM

So how did we get from this...

fergiesfolly wrote: »

I think its a good thing that the Germans are reminded that once upon a time, people used to stand up to them. And bombed the **** out of them.

... and this ...

fergiesfolly wrote: »

They freely elected a party that pushed for a war. And got it.
And you need to look at the devastation their bombers caused through out Europe.
Sickens me, that as time goes by, people try to disassociate the Nazis from the general German population.
Its not like they were a seperate ethnic group. The nazis were German. And at the time the Germans were HAPPY to be nazis.
Seperate thread probably. Rant over

... to this?

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Do I hold a grudge against the German people of today.No

n900guy · 28-08-2012 11:01PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

What struck me over the years of reading, listening and watching stories about the years of nazi dominance in Germany, was the lack of willingness to accept blame by the general German population for their part in the events that happened. Plenty of shame that these things happened on German soil and were perpetrated by German people. But they never seemed to want to accept their own individual roles in it. Claims of ignorance and innocence peppered their conversations on the past. These claims seem incredulous, when the scale of what happened is fully appreciated.
Its hard to forgive a nation that won't accept its own complicity in the society they created.

Well then I hope you feel personally responsible for the economic crisis in Ireland. After all, you are here, complacent, voted for either the previous government or current government, and you personally are responsible directly for the actions of the government. They answer your bat-phone directly.

Confusing the political ambitions of governments with the people who are but for notions of democracy mostly powerless under threat of death or imprisonment is ludicrous. It;s like blaming Americans for the political decisions to firebomb Dresden, invade Iraq or allow 1 million Germans to die in "Allied" internement camps after WW2.

Your children will blame you personally I presume for the current Irish economic crisis. Perhaps you will live with that guilt forever, only ever uttering when they ask "wir wussten nicht".

Guy:Incognito · 28-08-2012 11:08PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

I think its a good thing that the Germans are reminded that once upon a time, people used to stand up to them. And bombed the **** out of them.

We should show them whos boss and refuse their money.

Breaking News - WW2 UXB found in Schwabing, Munich

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