Breaking News - WW2 UXB found in Schwabing, Munich

Fuinseog · 28-08-2012 12:23PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

I think its a good thing that the Germans are reminded that once upon a time, people used to stand up to them. And bombed the **** out of them.

just like the boys of three para stood up to those unruly Fenians in Derry in 1972.

Fuinseog · 28-08-2012 12:25PM

OSI wrote: »

Yes, because the Germans weren't known for indiscriminate bombings/killings at all.

these days there are no bombings, but surgical strikes that only kill bad people.

Fuinseog · 28-08-2012 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They really don't seem to like when I bring it up though.

Irish people do not like when Germans bring the IRA.

the nazis is the limit of the horizon for a lot of Irish people. name a famous German-Hitler. he was Austrian but ignorance is bliss.

Fuinseog · 28-08-2012 12:29PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

They don't mind blaming all of us for a few bankers, builders and politicians

we partied hard and demanded the government spend every penny. we went along with it. any fool would have recognised that the bubble would burst at some stage.

fergiesfolly · 28-08-2012 12:38PM

Marcsignal. Did you READ the article you quoted.
"SMALL isolated groups"
Of course they had opposition, but they also had a large slice of the electorate that voted for them(mid 40s%),so they were hardly a small unsupported group that gained power by illegal means. Ands its not as if they hid their agenda from the German people. Bar the "Final Solution" which had not yet been dreamt up, their policies were well known.
And while I sympathise with any innocent casualties caused by any bombing( my earler "bomb the **** out of them" line was a bad joke and showed poor taste and I apoligise), many of the people killed in the bombings in Dresden and other German cities, probably would have cheered at the newsreels of German victorys( and Bombings) in other citys.
It seems to me that a lot of the blame for atrocities caused by the nazis tries to airbrush the German people out of the equation. It would be a hard sell by Europes politicians to sell political, financial and social integration to its citizens, when the largest country in that group would have systmatically slaughtered millions of their brethern just a few decades earlier. And so, the general concensus among political, media and assorted interested groups is to disassociate the two.
Also, Marcsignal.
While your sisters inlaws may well have been completely innocent, there wern't many germans coming forward after the war claiming to be fervent followers of Hitler and admirers of his ideology.
Not saying your sisters inlaws are lying, but many did

dj jarvis · 28-08-2012 12:52PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

It's not like Ireland had anything to do with standing up to them.

i think you will find 50,000 people who would disagree with that statement ( 5,000 alone deserted from the irish army to fight germany and the axis powers )

Oat23 · 28-08-2012 12:53PM

They found an American WWII bomb under the pitch (around the penalty box) in Bayern Munich's reserve team stadium a few months ago. The first team used to play there up until the 70s also.

http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.1366433.1337880956!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg
http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.1366467.1337892592!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg

Boombastic · 28-08-2012 12:58PM

Fuinseog wrote: »

we partied hard and demanded the government spend every penny. we went along with it. any fool would have recognised that the bubble would burst at some stage.

Did we? Did everybody? or only those that are complaining the loudest now?

dj jarvis · 28-08-2012 12:59PM

Pilotdude5 wrote: »

I'm still waiting for this to blow..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery

SS Richard Montgomery was an American Liberty ship built during World War II, one of the 2,710 used to carry cargo during the war. The ship was wrecked off the Nore in the Thames Estuary in 1944 with around 1,400 tonnes (1,500 short tons) of explosives on board,[1] which continue to be a hazard to the area.

similar story to that one but on a more massive scale

off the welsh coast , in the irish sea the brits dumped all spare munitions from ww1 and a sizable amount from ww2 ( a deep trench on the sea bed )

now apparently they think it might have been a bit of a woopsie seeing it all might go boom one day , being under water does not prevent a ignition and then a jolly good whhhhhoooooshsshhshsh

dont want to be on the sealink when that goes up - they guy i heard on newstalk said that if it does go up the noise will be heard as far away as paris - amsterdam - dublin - belfast - glasgow and poss copenhagen :eek:

( i have no link to confirm this - i heard it on the wireless )

Franticfrank · 28-08-2012 01:00PM

Yeah, really this is everyday news in Germany. They find these things almost daily and its rare for someone to get hurt. Just some evacuations. I think 2 or 3 years ago, some construction workers were drilling on the autobahn and struck an American bomb. There wasn't much of the JCB left...

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 01:22PM

I’m going to have to go off topic here, but…..

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Marcsignal. Did you READ the article you quoted.
"SMALL isolated groups"

Yes I did, although that article is grossly understated @ 77’000 people. The actual figure, according to Laurence Rees, from his documentary film ‘The Nazis, A Warning from History', 1997, is closer to 250’000.
The reason I didn’t post the episode in question, is that I cant put my hand on it, amongst the 250+ similar Documentaries I have in my possession on the subject.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Of course they had opposition, but they also had a large slice of the electorate that voted for them(mid 40s%),so they were hardly a small unsupported group that gained power by illegal means. Ands its not as if they hid their agenda from the German people. Bar the "Final Solution" which had not yet been dreamt up, their policies were well known.

The Nazis fed into Germany's mistreatment under the Versailles treaty. The overwhelming majority of mainstream historians today will freely acknowledge, that this mistreatment, was the readily available fuel that brought the Nazis to power.

The Nazis fed on latent Anti Semitism that existed throughout Europe, not just Germany. In fact, before Hitler’s rise, it is also widely acknowledged that Jews enjoyed more freedom and assimilation into German society, than most any other country in Europe. Hardly surprising that Yiddish is derived from Bayerisch (Bavarian German). A Jewish Rabbi, today, speaking Yiddish, could easily converse with a Bavarian Farmer speaking Bayerisch. If you’re looking for ethnocentric hatred of Jews in Europe, in the late 19th and early 20th century, look no further than France. Dreyfuss Affair ??

It’s interesting to note though, that there was a Jewish delegation of 110 present at Versailles.
The Nazis, no doubt, cashed in on this.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

And while I sympathise with any innocent casualties caused by any bombing( my earler "bomb the **** out of them" line was a bad joke and showed poor taste and I apoligise)

Apology acknowledged and accepted, with the utmost sincerity.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

many of the people killed in the bombings in Dresden and other German cities, probably would have cheered at the newsreels of German victorys( and Bombings) in other citys.

Many Germans believed their own propaganda, that they were forced into that war. What else would you expect the average Joe, or Hans to do ??

fergiesfolly wrote: »

It seems to me that a lot of the blame for atrocities caused by the nazis tries to airbrush the German people out of the equation. It would be a hard sell by Europes politicians to sell political, financial and social integration to its citizens, when the largest country in that group would have systmatically slaughtered millions of their brethern just a few decades earlier. And so, the general concensus among political, media and assorted interested groups is to disassociate the two.

All of the people responsible, and nearly all of those that took part, are dead.
What do you want their Children and Grandchildren to do ? Eat roots and wear hair shirts for the next hundred years ?

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Also, Marcsignal.
While your sisters inlaws may well have been completely innocent, there wern't many germans coming forward after the war claiming to be fervent followers of Hitler and admirers of his ideology. Not saying your sisters inlaws are lying, but many did

I have to acknowledge, that that may very well be true. Having said that, I firmly believe, that if we (the people of the world) are to learn anything from the lessons of WW2, it is to remain cognisant of, and alert at all times, to Propaganda. There’s a lot of it flying around today, from some of the victors of WW2, and unfortunately, it is being used, to perpetuate their own wars, for their own gains, be they Idealistic, or Economic. It seems we have learned little.

I’m not in the business of falling out with anyone on this thread, so let’s just agree to disagree, on certain points, and return to the subject of the OP.

imme · 28-08-2012 01:28PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Nothing on the web or news here yet.

LOL x 6,000

Why should it be on the news here

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 01:30PM

imme wrote: »

LOL x 6,000

Why should it be on the news here

why should bombs in Afghanistan be on the news here ??

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 28-08-2012 01:30PM

I live across the road from this. Really nothing to see. This is the fifth case in Munich this year although it seems this bomb is a bit more tricky to defuse they are not sure what to do with it. They can't move it. Its a pain in the hole and I better get to go home tonight. Also I know tonnes of other Irish people in this area evacuated. I didn't realsie there were so many in Munich

You can follow live updates albeit in German here http://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/inhalt.bombenfund-in-schwabing-az-liveticker:-bombe-entschaerfen-oder-sprengen.0db9be54-42ba-48a5-a7ad-3e7584954b17.html

imme · 28-08-2012 01:32PM

marcsignal wrote: »

why should bombs in Afghanistan be on the news here ??

that's a whole other minefield

seriously though, you're straying into politics, new world order

etc

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 01:32PM

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Marcsignal. Did you READ the article you quoted.
"SMALL isolated groups"
Of course they had opposition, but they also had a large slice of the electorate that voted for them(mid 40s%),so they were hardly a small unsupported group that gained power by illegal means. Ands its not as if they hid their agenda from the German people. Bar the "Final Solution" which had not yet been dreamt up, their policies were well known.
And while I sympathise with any innocent casualties caused by any bombing( my earler "bomb the **** out of them" line was a bad joke and showed poor taste and I apoligise), many of the people killed in the bombings in Dresden and other German cities, probably would have cheered at the newsreels of German victorys( and Bombings) in other citys.
It seems to me that a lot of the blame for atrocities caused by the nazis tries to airbrush the German people out of the equation. It would be a hard sell by Europes politicians to sell political, financial and social integration to its citizens, when the largest country in that group would have systmatically slaughtered millions of their brethern just a few decades earlier. And so, the general concensus among political, media and assorted interested groups is to disassociate the two.
Also, Marcsignal.
While your sisters inlaws may well have been completely innocent, there wern't many germans coming forward after the war claiming to be fervent followers of Hitler and admirers of his ideology.
Not saying your sisters inlaws are lying, but many did

Are you suggesting that the Germans who born long after the war should still be held accountable for these crimes? The people who supported Hitler will be will into their 70s and most of those who voted for him would be dead by now.

The reason for the disassociation is simply that theer are no comparisions between 1930s Germany and modern Germany.

imme · 28-08-2012 01:34PM

Mayson Scary Balloon wrote: »

......it seems this bomb is a bit more tricky to defuse they are not sure what to do with it. [/url]

German efficiency how are you. :rolleyes:

Safe Home.

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 01:35PM

imme wrote: »

that's a whole other minefield

seriously though, you're straying into politics, new world order etc

wtf are you on about ???

Germany, like us are part of the EU. So we should be totally unconcerned about a bomb (that could go off at any time) in another EU partners city ?? Like Ikky Poo 2 said earlier, more than Germans are affected by this.
I personally know loads of Irish living in Munich, and some in Schwabing.

fergiesfolly · 28-08-2012 01:41PM

marcsignal wrote: »

I’m not in the business of falling out with anyone on this thread, so let’s just agree to disagree, on certain points, and return to the subject of the OP.

I certainly don't want to fall out with you either and we'll have to accept we're not going to agree on much on this subject.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 01:41PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Did we? Did everybody? or only those that are complaining the loudest now?

Another tangent! Yay!

But to answer your question, anyone with some common sense could tell you that inflated house prices and 100% mortgages over 40 years were never good long term ideas.

imme · 28-08-2012 01:43PM

marcsignal wrote: »

wtf are you on about ???

Germany, like us are part of the EU. So we should be totally unconcerned about a bomb (that could go off at any time) in another EU partners city ?? Like Ikky Poo 2 said earlier, more than Germans are affected by this.
I personally know loads of Irish living in Munich, and some in Schwabing.

This is After Hours you know OP. Well, you chose to post in AH so I guess you should know that it is AH.

Back to the topic, even though this is AH.

Not a thing for people in Ireland to be concerned about imo. You need to relax.

Earlier you asked why news of bombs in Afghanistan should be on the news in Ireland when I asked why news of a WWII bomb should be of news in Ireland.

Well, I don't think an historical bomb is comparable to a bomb placed by someone in Afghanistan trying to kill people today.

There will be no new WWII bombs, but there could be new Afghan bombs.

marshbaboon · 28-08-2012 01:50PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

With the amount of bombs dropped during the war, I'm surprised this kinda discovery isn't more common.

They do tend to explode a lot...

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 02:04PM

imme wrote: »

This is After Hours you know OP. Well, you chose to post in AH so I guess you should know that it is AH.

Yep, I know here I am, and unless you're a re-reg, I've known it 5 years longer than you

imme wrote: »

Earlier you asked why news of bombs in Afghanistan should be on the news in Ireland when I asked why news of a WWII bomb should be of news in Ireland.

Because Munich is in Germany, in the EU, and thousands of Irish are living, visiting, and studying there.

imme wrote: »

Well, I don't think an historical bomb is comparable to a bomb placed by someone in Afghanistan trying to kill people today.

There are about 10 Irish people in the vast expanse that is Afghanistan. Some members of our Defence Forces, and probably some Aid Workers. Why should we be even remotely concerned, when some Afghan fuzzy wuzzy straps a bomb to himself, and blows a load of British or American soldiers up ? That war is none of our business.

imme wrote: »

There will be no new WWII bombs, but there could be new Afghan bombs.

You couldn't be more wrong, there are estimated to be 4'000 UXBs in Berlin alone, and between 2006 and 2009, approx 15,000 WW2 ordnance devices were found in the UK.

Not new devices, but still bloody dangerous.

Posting this in AH was for reach purposes only. Posting in in Humanities, or Needlework wouldn't have had quite the same effect.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 28-08-2012 04:05PM

Ga this is bollocks. They are trying to defuse it with remote control now. If they fail then they cannot do a controlled detonation until tomorrow which means anotehr night of this ****e.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-08-2012 04:18PM

Mayson Scary Balloon wrote: »

Ga this is bollocks. They are trying to defuse it with remote control now. If they fail then they cannot do a controlled detonation until tomorrow which means anotehr night of this ****e.

Webcam oder Gehen Sie die **** aus!

WIZE · 28-08-2012 04:21PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

With the amount of bombs dropped during the war, I'm surprised this kinda discovery isn't more common.

Its very common to find unexploded bombs from WW2

A few are found every year .

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 28-08-2012 04:31PM

That link I posted earlier is saying defusing these things can take two weeks.

who_me · 28-08-2012 04:32PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

similar story to that one but on a more massive scale

off the welsh coast , in the irish sea the brits dumped all spare munitions from ww1 and a sizable amount from ww2 ( a deep trench on the sea bed )

now apparently they think it might have been a bit of a woopsie seeing it all might go boom one day , being under water does not prevent a ignition and then a jolly good whhhhhoooooshsshhshsh

dont want to be on the sealink when that goes up - they guy i heard on newstalk said that if it does go up the noise will be heard as far away as paris - amsterdam - dublin - belfast - glasgow and poss copenhagen :eek:

( i have no link to confirm this - i heard it on the wireless )

Found this fascinating, googled it, not sure this is the same one:

"The munitions dump in the Beaufort's Dyke trench, off Stranraer - which holds more than 1 million tons of bombs, rockets and shells, including 14,000 tons of rockets with phosgene poison gas warheads,is seven times larger than previously thought."

"More dangerous chemical weapons were disposed of in deep water further out to sea.The letter also details operation Sandcastle, in 1955-56, in which 71,000 quarter-ton German bombs filled with the nerve gas tabun were loaded into the hulks of three merchant ships and dumped between 2,000 and 2,4000m down, 80 miles north-west of Ireland."

1 megaton in Beaufort's Dyke? (although, in fairness, much of that might not still be dangerous). Yikes.

My name is URL · 28-08-2012 04:50PM

Hundreds of people are killed every year in Laos by unexploded bombs which were dropped during the Vietnam War and you rarely hear a peep about it. Can you imagine the pressure that would be put on the UK & US etc to pay for the cleanup if that was happening in Germany today. Afaik the US have never paid the Lao people any reparations for the loss of life since the war ended, and they've only given a relatively tiny amount of money to pay to clean up the mess they left behind.

marcsignal · 28-08-2012 04:51PM

Spiegel Online article with pics.

My name is URL wrote: »

Hundreds of people are killed every year in Laos by unexploded bombs which were dropped during the Vietnam War and you rarely hear a peep about it. Can you imagine the pressure that would be put on the UK & US etc to pay for the cleanup if that was happening in Germany today. Afaik the US have never paid the Lao people any reparations for the loss of life since the war ended, and they've only given a relatively tiny amount of money to pay to clean up the mess they left behind.

I thought I heard something recently about the U.S. to soon send people in there on a large scale to try to clean all that up. This is all I can find on it at the moment.

Breaking News - WW2 UXB found in Schwabing, Munich

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