Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Berba-Jovetic. Would be good to see him in Serie A.

Rooney10 wrote: »

It'd be a good move for him.

Surely he knows that with RVP at the club, he'll get hardly any game time this season. He has always said that he wants to play football...

If i was him and the money at fiorentina isn't great i.e. (less that 2/3), i'd be tempted to stay, he doesn't have a long term contract left in him and someone will pick him up when his utd contract expires.

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

If i was him and the money at fiorentina isn't great i.e. (less that 2/3), i'd be tempted to stay, he doesn't have a long term contract left in him and someone will pick him up when his utd contract expires.

That would make him the sort of mercenary that people are usually giving out about from other clubs wouldn't it? More interested in cashing his cheque than playing a bit of ball?

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have a feeling that you may be a tad harsh on Nani because you're expecting him to become the next Ronaldo.

Personally, I think he may have it in him but he has never been offered the freedom that Ronaldo was given.

He is the best winger at the club and in the top 3 in the league in my opinion. There are also very few in the world who are better than him.

Fair enough he may not be as consistent as his talent suggests he should, but then who is?

I don't think Nani will ever be on that level but he shouldn't be knocked because of it.

I wasn't comparing the two. Nani will never be as good as Ronaldo. The thing about Nani is when he is inconsistent, when he is having an off day he is so poor and offers so little its infuriating. When I say he hasn't distinguished himself like others I'm thinking more in the vein of your other recent Ballon Dor nominees. Not that the award itself means anything but usually players who stand out are nominated. Henry, Torres (pre Chelsea) and in their pop Kaka, Nedved, Lampard and Gerrard.

When Rooney has an off day he can still grab a goal and works on the ugly stuff but with Nani if its not working going forward for him his already half hearted attempts at defending become less helpful.

Now it sounds like I'm against him but I'm not. I said in my post that you replied to that I would hate to see him leave. I find him so frustrating because of the talent he has. Take the Everton game, in the opening 15 mins he picked up the ball in his own half a couple of times and was at the edge of the Everton box in a flash, going past two or three Everton players like they were not even there. I found myself rubbing my hands together with glee in anticipation of him giving that backline hell for 90 mins but what followed was something we have seen all to often. He was so poor and tbh he looked disinterested when it wasn't working for him.

If you are going to have a bad game, muck in at the back. Your workrate should still be good. Tackles, headers, tracking back etc I can't honestly say Nani does this enough or as much as others so this leads me to question his attitude. I think its generally good but not all it could be. At the start of every season he is pencil slim and in real good shape, no problems there. Everything in preperation for matches and in the media is perfect, he doesn't fall out of boozers, slag ppl etc so problems there either. Its when things don't work for him on the pitch that he can let himself down.

When I watch him I always think back to that spectacular goal he scored against Chelsea at OT. I think in his head he wants to be doing this week in week out and knows he has the ability but when defenders get the better of him and he realises its not going to happen for him today he becomes withdrawn. This is when he should offer more on the ugly side but its not happening. I appreciate the Gary Neville argument too that good players should save their energy for attacking but if your being marked out of the game and defenders are getting close etc shouldn't you help the team in other ways?

I think Fergie just doesn't understand whats going on in these games too. Like us he has seen the potential, the preperation and everything is in check, then he puts him out there and gets what we had against Everton. Back to the attitude I don't think Nani did enough in that game, which would not have been appreciated, hence Fergie dropping him from the squad. I bet he is as frustrated as we are.

Reading back through that there is a lot of negatives there. I don't dislike Nani I really don't but we are discussing why Fergie might be entertaining the idea of selling him so naturally we are discussing his weak points.

Everytime I see Nani's name on the teamsheet I get that extra feeling of excitement that I don't get with Young and Val. He could do something amazing to win the game, he could boss the game when on form but you just can't rely on him. Now every player has his off days, Rooney Young Val, but Nani is a little more inconsistent then them imo.

I don't want him sold but I can see why Fergie may (if there is any truth to the rumours) be considering it. He may have ran out of patience. I would not be surprised if Fergie has no intention of letting hm go and dropping him was just a "I don't want another Everton from you this season".

Re: the fee if he does go. Those saying 45m-50m are going to be let down. He wont and hasn't earned that kind of transfer fee. His inconsistancey has stopped him from putting himself into that top tier of players, and I'm not talking about Ronaldo and Messi, they are a step above. Yes he has won lots of club honors, EPLs and the CL but so have your Carricks and Fletchers and they wouldn't get that fee yet but back to the other recent B'Dor nominees, its all about individual achievements in some shape of form. Either by great performances consistantly and trophies (Lampard, Gerrard, Nedved, Maldini) or baggin lots of goals (Henry). Nani is just not there. We would get a Modricesque fee in the region of 33m. 35m tops but I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie took 28m.

We don't know if the stories about him leaving are true. I hope not. I also hope Nani improves if he stays because there is room for improvement.

Yeah, what he said ^^^^. Two posts up. Ha.

Pretty much in agreement with Airbags post. Nice post.

keane2097 wrote: »

That would make him the sort of mercenary that people are usually giving out about from other clubs wouldn't it? More interested in cashing his cheque than playing a bit of ball?

Yes but as you have defended in the past, why would he move jobs to downgrade his income prematurely and also miss out on a big pay day next year via a signing on fee.

TheTownie wrote: »

Yes but as you have defended in the past, why would he move jobs to downgrade his income prematurely and also miss out on a big pay day next year via a signing on fee.

Dont think sitting on Uniteds bench for another year will get him many admirers. He'll be a year older and no better for it. Its hard enough now for him to find a good club.
I doubt he is thinking about it financially. I'd say he wants a big club because he still has ambition.

If Berbatov does stay for a year I have to think that there will be lots of interest when or if he's a free agent. Certainly not at the same level as United and definitely not at the same pay grade but he'll get picked up alright.

It's hard to say with Berbatov, he's not exactly agitating for a move although it looks like he is open to one. He could stay and relax for the year or he could say **** it, I want to play football again. Either way it all seems amicable anyway, he's a fan favourite and would be wished well if he left or gladly kept if he wants to stick around.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

speaking of Juve and Champions league, the potential champions league groups look frightening considering some of the teams who will be in pot 2, 3 and 4.

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A hard group this year may actually do us the world of good and stop this carry on of idling through group stages for once,competition should be treated with respect and not seen as a run out for reserve and squad players like last season.
Also from a fan point of view there could be some cracking games early in the competition this season

I think the thing is Valencia rarely has a bad game. You know what you're going to get from him. Hard work, few balls into the box.

Where as Nani, he's either brilliant or terrible. But even on his terrible days he can pull a cross/shot out of nowhere and drag a result out of nothing. But people will only remember how bad he played.

I wouldn't sell Nani and I think the club would be mad to get rid of him.

ya, i just dont get the hatred of Nani at all. he is one of our best players and over the past 3 years, has proven himself considerably.

its like people have latched onto other clubs hating him and have been brainwashed into hating him too.

if he has been acting the prat off the field then so be it, but thats only come to light after saturday, the hatred towards him has been there for a long long time now.