Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I understand how Moores was bad for the club. Stop talking to me like I'm a child. You've been around this thread a long time. You should know I understand an awful lot about how Moores was bad for the club, problems with the Sounness and Evan's eras etc.

However, you also know well enough that Moores always had his heart in the right place. He didn't talk ****, he wasn't in the media to the extent that Henry has been. I really dislike the PR stuff the club has embarked upon since they came in. I am wary of it, because I have experienced it in other things and I know what it usually means.



Cup final > 3rd place if it's a question of trying to win stuff, that's hardly controversial is it? But we did win a trophy last year. It's more than they have to show for the last seven seasons.

Lloyd you are talking rubbish imho. You came out and tried to make a direct comparison between FSG's 22 months at the club and the 19+ years that the previous two regimes had between them. You are the one that used David Moore's time at the club as an example of what FSG are failing to do. You also used H&G as an example of what FSG are failing to do.

You made no mention of the "PR stuff" you so dislike, you brought it down to the simplest level of being "in the mix" for the biggest prizes, and as such you should be willing to debate the actual point you made rather than trying to deflect with some nonsense comment about me treating you like a child and about how I should understand that you know a lot about Moore's time.


You are the guy comparing 22 months with a 19 year period that oversaw Liverpool's utter failure to compete commercially to the almost destruction of the club. Yes Liverpool were in the mix for some of that 19 year period but if you want to compare things on a more equal footing then maybe you should be comparing Moore's first 22 months with FSG's 22 months and then come back and talk to me about being in the mix for the big prizes.

Your PR point is a bit of a non issue as well simply because media in the UK
is nothing like what it was 20 years ago. It is more invasive nowadays and a completely different animal to deal with. I also hate to burst your bubble about Moores not being in the media. He was a regular in the local media and even had his own column of sorts for a time. He was also very lucky that much of his reign pre dated the WWW explosion as I am sure things like him actually crying at AGMs or being verbally shredded at AGMs would have been fodder for media feeding frenzies if those AGMs were occurring nowadays. I sat through enough of the AGMs cringing at what was happening and being said to realise how lucky the club was to have had that shyte happen somewhat inhouse thanks to it being slightly before the twitter generation.


Also you are not the only one who has had PR dealings. I have had plenty in Ireland, England, Japan, Germany, Belgium and elsewhere so there is no great mystery to what the current owners have tried to do on that front, and it is no secret that they have had mixed results on that front.


Losing FA cup final > 3rd place in the league (second loser position)?

Seems to me that coming third in the league brings with it the prize of getting back in the mix for the big prizes, something you were quick to try and point out about the Moores/H&G regimes. So you might want to decide on which point you want to stick with because either you think that coming 4th and above in the league is worthwhile as it puts us in the mix for the big prizes, or it is a failure that falls below losing in the final of the FA cup. Losing the FA cup final is worthless compared to being the first, second, or third loser in the league. At least the losers in the league get an injection of cash and the chance to get more through competing in the CL. Tell me what the losers of the FA cup get that is so great.

Now if you had said that winning the FA cup beat 3rd place in the league, then I would have agreed with you as I do rate the cup and have a mentality that any silverware won is an achievement. But when comparing losing positions in competitions then the losing position that brings the most benefit to the club in it's aftermath is obviously the greater, and to argue otherwise is arguing a point simply for the sake of it rather than doing so logically.

gafferino wrote: »

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers has ruled out sending young star Raheem Sterling on loan after impressing at the start of the season.


Sterling was outstanding for the Reds in his first Premier League start for the club in last weekend's draw with champions Manchester City.
It was initially thought Liverpool would consider loaning out Sterling this season so that he could get some valuable first-team experience under his belt, but the 17-year-old has quickly established himself in Rodgers' plans.

A number of clubs were thought to be keen on taking Sterling on loan, but Rodgers has now ruled out a move for the teenager as he wants him to continue his development at Anfield.

"I've seen a lot of development in him in a short time because he takes on a lot of the concepts and he is very good with instructions," said Rodgers.

"He certainly won't be going on loan and I believe that if we can help and nurture him in the right way, then he will be a very good player for Liverpool."
Brendan Rodgers on Raheem Sterling
Quotes of the week
"Normally wingers want to do their own thing but he is tactically improving every day.

"I am certain over the next few years that he will develop into a very good footballer.

"We just have to make sure that we keep the pressure off him.

"He certainly won't be going on loan and I believe that if we can help and nurture him in the right way, then he will be a very good player for Liverpool."

Nice bit of positive pr wrapped in a nothing fluff piece after that video of their interaction was all over the place yesterday. Jen Chang at work.

Would be crazy to loan out sterling, He has made so much progress under BR

Vicxas wrote: »

Would be crazy to loan out sterling, He has made so much progress under BR

Very important to keep him at the club.

It's good for the future of the club's player development programme that he continues to impregnate local Liverpool women and populate The Academy for the next 20 years.

Vicxas wrote: »

Would be crazy to loan out sterling, He has made so much progress under BR

Yep, he really seems to have taken on the ethos, and since he's already in the first team, why would we send him anywhere else? He doesn't need to build his confidence, or toughen up particularly.

Maybe a loan would work for someone like Wisdom or Sama - so much of that position is about experience, and playing against different types of strikers. I know we need players for NextGen, but I would like to see one of them loaned out.

Melion wrote: »

I'm starting to get worried about Suso. We cant lose him

I'd say Rodgers can be very convincing, but it all depends on whether he is that comfortable in England. He's pals with Pacheco, what if he goes? I know there are other Spanish players still, but that plays a big part for a young player.

I think the fact that he's still in the mix for Spain's underage teams helps - the fact that he plays abroad is not a drawback. Torres, Silva, Alonso, Cesc, Mata and Reina all shown that Spanish players can be a success in the PL. And if he was to go back to Spain, it wouldn't be to either of the big two, unless he wants to spend even longer in reserve team football...

Absolutely no need to loan Sterling out. He'll certainly play 20+ games (many off the bench) this year for Liverpool on his current form and you'd expect he'll grow in confidence too.
Very impressed with his work rate, attitude, speed and passing at the weekend.

whatawaster wrote: »

I have no problem with us paying big fees and big wages for a player. Suarez, Agger, Johnson etc deserve that kind of money and we can well afford to pay it.

its when Cole, Carra, Aquilani, Poulsen, Aurelio, Maxi, Bellamy etc are all on big money and on the bench most weeks that I start to object.

The reality was that our wage bill contained many more of the second group of players and was simply not affordable. I don't think you grasp that

I dont think its you who grasp that i do get that and i want the good work of releasing those players wages in turn given to better players, i dont want them hoovered up and covered up by excuses down the road a la 'well they didnt invest' or give Rodgers money. You should be asking those questions this window, not in 18 months. The chairman of your club told you on LFCTV that he wanted to increase the wages when all those names were still on the books. They have done nothing but reduce the wages significantly and increase turnover, the latter part great, the former not so.

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

I just saw the video now. Was it posted here yesterday ?
Anyway here is it for those who didn't see

He fairly clipped his wings, didn't he. But you know what, no point in hiding this stuff. And maybe it's what he needed to do to get Raheem focused. I like the way he calls out Morgan for credit at the same time, how good must he have felt at that moment.

I like Rodgers attitude. I've had bosses like that, who you know you can't fool, not trying to be your friend and always protect you like Kenny would. He can be friendly, of course (you can see that in the pics of him with Allen and Assaidi when they arrived), but when it's time to work, you better do your job...

Cyrus wrote: »

you know what kenny was like in training?

Yeh I do. No way am I giving you fuel to start another dumb row on this thread...

Interview with Rafa in half an hour with ray Darcy, today FM.