Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

whatawaster wrote: »

One of the wealthiest clubs in Europe, with fine facilities and everything in place to be a successful club long into the future.

they sell all there best players
there a great business not a great football club for winning trophies anymore

Dickerty wrote: »

But not winning anything now, and still a way off the top 3...

They finished 3rd last season. The fact that they haven't won anything is a product of their lack of investment in the squad. That is because they are paying down long-term debt, which when cleared will leave them in a fantastic position.

They have so much going for them - Location, facilities, large fanbase, top academy. That they haven't won anything in 7 years is not proof that their model does not work.

Chelsea have spent £1 billion in the last decade. Man United have probably the best manager the English game has seen. Now we have Man City. It's not bloody easy to win titles.

MD1990 wrote: »

u could be waiting 10-15 years then for a title then
we need a huge investment to get elite players

Not true. Take the Arsenal example - they have gotten very good at signing young talented players and developing them. You don't always need to pay to dollar for your best players. Kompany, Vidic, RVP (for Arse), Lampard, Agger, Cech - all signed for sensible or small money.

The investment in marketing the club, youth development and the stadium are just as important.

Dickerty wrote: »

Not true. Take the Arsenal example - they have gotten very good at signing young talented players and developing them. You don't always need to pay to dollar for your best players. Kompany, Vidic, RVP (for Arse), Lampard, Agger, Cech - all signed for sensible or small money.

The investment in marketing the club, youth development and the stadium are just as important.

And won ___ by doing so?

Seamu$ wrote: »

Bundesliga highlights on ITV4 right now for those who would like to become the next Chief Scout/Kess

It looks like it will be a regular addition to their schedule & ITV4+1 is there for anyone who misses the start or wants to watch it a bit later. We might be able to find the next Sahin or we can watch what Huntelaar could do for us!

Just get ESPN mate - plenty of French, German, Italian and Dutch football to sink your teeth into.

opr wrote: »

People are looking at the numbers over the long term with wages included. The club in the last set of accounts was making an underlying loss in the region of £30m. Last year we probably stayed still with regards wages and increased commercial revenue.

This summer we have probably reduced the wage bill by about £15m. Plus we have added even more commercial revenue it means the club is probably making a small profit. In isolation because of exceptional costs again this year of payoffs to Kenny and clarke and to Swansea for Rodgers we will more than likely show a loss but the underlying picture moving forward should show a small profit.

I'm not sure what money you think the owners are pocketing at the moment. They just put £20m in net when it's clear we're going to make further losses?

Opr

Pocketing is not a word i have ever used. There is a difference between pocketing and not showing ambition, which is my view, and i wont be moved on that.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And won ___ by doing so?

I know, I am saying that in another post! But yeh, they have done well at signing cheap, particularly from France - Adebayor, Nasri, RVP, Vermaelen, Clichy, Wilshere, Song...

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It's Liverpool fans begging to win. We were in the mix for the big prizes when Moores and H & G were here. We had the managers.

The blueprint we currently have just won't cut it. Arsenal have threaded it the past few seasons with one of the best managers in the history of the game and won nothing. Spurs are threading it, and have a CL QF to show for it. That's why the likes of daithijjj and I are so perturbed. This path doesn't lead where we want to go.

And if we won't get where we want to go, who gives a ****? There is nothing to be positive about.

Lloyd, for a guy who railed so much against what he saw as revisionism in others, that is one hell of rabbit to try and pull from the hat.

Moores was chairman from 1991 to early 2007. We spent far more time looking at other clubs being in the mix for big prizes than we spent in the mix ourselves during the reign of Moores.

The only thing that we have not been in the mix for under FSG that we were under Moores is the CL.

FSG have not even owned the club for two years yet, so it is a bit rich to be trying to compare them to Moores' 15+ years and H&G's time of 3 years 8 months.

Moores in many ways was a bigger disaster than H&G because under Moores we fell behind the modern game both on and off the pitch to an alarming degree. We won the CL under Moores' watch (and that will always be a huge moment for the club) but we did not put in a realistic league challenge under him and ever other bit of silverware that the club competed for under Moores we can compete for (and have competed for) under FSG.

Part of me has a lot of sympathy for David Moores as there is no doubt he wanted the club to excel, but as a chairman he was about as useful in pushing the club forward as a chocolate fireguard.

The current owners have done a lot of good in a very short time frame, and they have also said a lot of things that to date have to nothing, but comparing their 22 month stint to the combined 19 year and 1 month stint of the two previous ownerships lingers somewhere between facetious and downright stupid.

daithijjj wrote: »

Pocketing is not a word i have ever used. There is a difference between pocketing and not showing ambition, which is my view, and i wont be moved on that.

What's your plan?

What would you have done with the squad this summer and going forward?

1) Cut costs?
2) Try to increase revenues?
3) Spend what we don't have (debt) in the hope of making CL?
4) New owners who are willing to pump tens of millions of their own money into the club

djPSB wrote: »

Lord God your spouting awful rubbish.

Explain?

Jason Todd wrote: »

The optimism from yesterday didn't last long, did it?

Replaced with a healthy dose of realism, nothing wrong with that

whippedcream wrote: »

It's from the mirrors back story tomorow that we're bidding 15mill for him.

Make of that what you will.

Sturridge..............shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot......he's one of the most selfish player in the EPL......

djPSB wrote: »

Not you, Llyod.

He is living in fantasy land with the fairies as both you and Kess pointed out in the last few posts.

Sorry, with the bolded text, I thought . . .