Liverpool FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/13

gatecrash wrote: »

dunno if this has been posted here already

but the boss comes across well in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0FkLHhJHw8&feature=player_embedded

Seems like David Brent there.

Cyrus wrote: »

one season makes them a better team?

Genuine question, can't get my head around it.

Well what else would you base the rating of a team other than an entire season and a higher league positioning?

Hopefully with Rodgers on board we can turn the tide but at the moment you'd have to regard them as a better side.

Where would you rate Liverpool at this moment in time as a matter of interest?

By the way I'm not trolling, despite the username, I have followed Liverpool all my life.

I believe Carroll has a role to play at Liverpool. Outside the top 4 clubs I think every other team in the Premier League would like him on their books.

Cyrus wrote: »

if only people picked players who hadnt just been signed by two of the top teams in england to give examples of mid table players

He gave two good examples though, Sinclair and Moses will play mainly cup games with the odd league game here and there. They are mid table players, most likely signed because teams need homegrown players.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Well what else would you base the rating of a team other than an entire season and a higher league positioning?

Hopefully with Rodgers on board we can turn the tide but at the moment you'd have to regard them as a better side.

Where would you rate Liverpool at this moment in time as a matter of interest?

By the way I'm not trolling, despite the username, I have followed Liverpool all my life.

I believe Carroll has a role to play at Liverpool. Outside the top 4 clubs I think every other team in the Premier League would like him on their books.

You are saying that newcastle are better than liverpool based on one season of football, probably based on 6 months actually only half a season as liverpool were 4 points ahead of newcastle at the end of the year last year.

so i disagree

Melion wrote: »

Is Yossi a top 4 player? He's a chelsea player after all, Turnbull? Was Adam Johnson?

Why are you talking about players who moved and have ended up not being regulars instead of players who moved and were successes?

Was lescott a top 4 player when at everton, was zabaleta, Kompany, Joe Hart?? My point is moses and sinclair have only just moved, or are completing moves, they have talent and may well make it, maybe they wont, but even if they dont they are risky players to be using as examples of a mid table player.

Id be more likely to go with craig gardner, tony hibbert, steven taylor, that class of footballer, not some youngster, with obvious potential who has earned a decent move to a top 4 team!

Id be surprised if at least one of moses or sinclair doesnt go on to be a top footballer

LiamoSail wrote: »

I think its fair to judge which side is better over the course of a full league season. Last season, Newcastle finished 13pts ahead. That's a significant margin. Even if you were to include the last two league campaigns, Newcastle still have a better points tally, albeit by only 1

i dont

Melion wrote: »

I was using attacking players as examples.

what other criteria are there, because i can name some attacking players that were signed with smaller reputations who became household names

one of them signed for united this summer

LiamoSail wrote: »

So what sort of period would you judge sides over?

My reason for not judging over a longer period is that due to the number of changes that are made, the same side can bear little resemblence at the end of the period to that of the start of the period.

As an example, 18 months after Liverpool hammered Utd at OT and Real at Anfield, Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen will starting as the club hovered above the drop zone

whatever period you like, but one swallow doesnt make a summer

there arent too many newcastle players that would make my liverpool XI, i dont see them as a better team

Melion wrote: »

Ah right, Moses and Sinclair are better known than RVP was before he signed for Arsenal, understood. Do me a favour and start realising football doesn't stop with the premier league. Do you think ANY decent mainland European side showed an interest in Sinclair or Moses?

Do me a favour and keep your condecension to yourself, you cant back up the flippant comment you made,

If van persie was such a sure thing im sure any number of teams could have come up with the 2.75m quid that arsenal paid.

Players that do well in holland are always sure things in the EPL....

Turtyturd wrote: »

Who in either of City's or Chelsea's first teams will these players displace?

i dont know, because i dont have the same crystal ball that you do,

maybe torres breaks his leg in september and moses starts every game until christmas and scores hatfuls, maybe not.

But the boy has talent and may well make it

One thing i am sure about, is that he is one stupid example to use as somebody who will end up as a mid table player just after he has secured a move to a champions league champions

LiamoSail wrote: »

You're ignoring the fact that they've accumulated more Premier League points in the last two seasons

Also, why just the last six months? Wern't Newcastle above Liverpool in the league throughout all of last season?

I think the only period where Liverpool dd better then Newcastle in the last two years was the first 6 months of Kenny's reign

look at the table at 31/12/2011

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2011-2012/table/2011-12-31