Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 04:58PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

McCoist very critical of his own side on SSN

No wonder, it was awful.

Jelle1880 · 26-08-2012 05:08PM

I didn't hear a single of those songs.

I have to admit, I didn't see the entire game though but it would surprise me if it was as bad as made out here.

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 05:09PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I didn't hear a single of those songs.

I have to admit, I didn't see the entire game though but it would surprise me if it was as bad as made out here.

Literally once in the first five minutes the billy boys was sang, nothing after that. But as usual we're all bad people and the only people ever to sing a bad song.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 05:10PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I didn't hear a single of those songs.

I have to admit, I didn't see the entire game though but it would surprise me if it was as bad as made out here.

What The Builder said two posts up was it TBB was sung in the first five minutes and TFS not at all

LiamoSail · 26-08-2012 05:15PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Sang disgusting songs, drama queen. TBB was sang in the first five minutes and not heard again, the famine song was not sang once, there is another song with the same tune though.

Until about 25 minutes later

As for the famine song, it may have been another with the same tune. You know the song book better then me, so I may have been mistaken. I did think it was the famine song though

TheBuilder wrote: »

I wonder how clean the Celtic away support's singing was yesterday, any IRA chants in there,? I'm not one for sitting listening out for a song at a football match.

You couldn't but hear what was being sung earlier such was the atmosphere. As for Celtic yesterday, I'd imagine there were of course IRA songs sung. I don't see how this is relevant though. I was at a memorial last week of a former member of the IRA, Republican songs were played. There's nothing wrong with that

TheBuilder wrote: »

Its great this, the song stuff took a back seat while administration and everything else was going on, now that isn't there to beat us with the song stuff comes back.

You keep bringing it on yourself, its not other people. Rangers are slated for having previously had a sectarian employment policy. This is the fault of Rangers for having that policy

Rangers were slated over the admin/liquidation business. This is the fault of Rangers for cheating the tax man over such a prolonged period of time

Rangers are today being slated over their fans sectarian and xenophobic chanting. This is because a large portion of their fans today sang sectarian and xenophobic songs

Any criticism, while you may feel it to be over the top or overly harsh stems from the actions of your club and its fans. Its not being used as a stick to beat you with, its simply others pointing out the true colours of those involved

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 05:17PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Until about 25 minutes later

As for the famine song, it may have been another with the same tune. You know the song book better then me, so I may have been mistaken. I did think it was the famine song though

You couldn't but hear what was being sung earlier such was the atmosphere. As for Celtic yesterday, I'd imagine there were of course IRA songs sung. I don't see how this is relevant though. I was at a memorial last week of a former member of the IRA, Republican songs were played. There's nothing wrong with that

You keep bringing it on yourself, its not other people. Rangers are slated for having previously had a sectarian employment policy. This is the fault of Rangers for having that policy

Rangers were slated over the admin/liquidation business. This is the fault of Rangers for cheating the tax man over such a prolonged period of time

Rangers are today being slated over their fans sectarian and xenophobic chanting. This is because a large portion of their fans today sang sectarian and xenophobic songs

Any criticism, while you may feel it to be over the top or overly harsh stems from the actions of your club and its fans. Its not being used as a stick to beat you with, its simply others pointing out the true colours of those involved

There may be nothing wrong with you being at a memorial for an IRA man thats your personal business but here is no place for it in Scottish football

I never heard TBB anytime after the first five minutes and can assure you it was not TFS I would say if it was I can assure you

Jelle1880 · 26-08-2012 05:19PM

So I take it LiamoSail is fully aware of the real meaning of the word Fenian ?

And not that 'It's a term used against Catholics' bollocks.

LiamoSail · 26-08-2012 05:20PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I didn't hear a single of those songs.

I have to admit, I didn't see the entire game though but it would surprise me if it was as bad as made out here.

I brought it up, I only watched the first half.

TBB was clear as daylight at the start, particularly when the line ups were shown on screen. It was a fairly prolonged chant too, as opposed to a few lines. It wasn't as loud again, but it was certainly sang again.

Regarding TFS. As I said in the above post, I may have been mistaken over that. It certainly had the same tune as TFS, but perhaps those who know the regular chants better then me will know better

I'd also like to point out that I'm not complaining about the chants, just pointing them out for what they are

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 05:23PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I brought it up, I only watched the first half.

TBB was clear as daylight at the start, particularly when the line ups were shown on screen. It was a fairly prolonged chant too, as opposed to a few lines. It wasn't as loud again, but it was certainly sang again.

Regarding TFS. As I said in the above post, I may have been mistaken over that. It certainly had the same tune as TFS, but perhaps those who know the regular chants better then me will know better

I'd also like to point out that I'm not complaining about the chants, just pointing them out for what they are

Bollox if your not complaining you shouldn't have brought them up I find that a very lame thing to say in all honesty.

So lets see to sumarise you think its ok to sing songs in support of a terrorist organisation that killed many innocents at a Scottish football game But when people sing about *Fenians* you get upset

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 05:25PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Until about 25 minutes later

Have to say I never heard it more than once.

As for the famine song, it may have been another with the same tune. You know the song book better then me, so I may have been mistaken. I did think it was the famine song though

It was.

You couldn't but hear what was being sung earlier such was the atmosphere. As for Celtic yesterday, I'd imagine there were of course IRA songs sung. I don't see how this is relevant though. I was at a memorial last week of a former member of the IRA, Republican songs were played. There's nothing wrong with that

Well yes, it is relevant. What connection do terrorists have with Celtic Football club, Scottish football, or any football for that matter? But of course, I'm sure nothing that was sang had anything to do with the provo's :rolleyes:

You keep bringing it on yourself, its not other people. Rangers are slated for having previously had a sectarian employment policy. This is the fault of Rangers for having that policy

Here we go with this again. That was never denied, ended a long time ago and is still used to have a wee dig. I thought it was whats happening today that matters? Its still funny how we're allowed to be reminded constantly of things that happened in our past.

Rangers were slated over the admin/liquidation business. This is the fault of Rangers for cheating the tax man over such a prolonged period of time

Craig Whyte through Rangers cheating the taxman out of nine months PAYE was wrong, yes.

Rangers are today being slated over their fans sectarian and xenophobic chanting. This is because a large portion of their fans today sang sectarian and xenophobic songs

Sectarian and Xenophobic? While I don't condone TBB, the reaction to it is a bit OTT.

Any criticism, while you may feel it to be over the top or overly harsh stems from the actions of your club and its fans. Its not being used as a stick to beat you with, its simply others pointing out the true colours of those involved

Not a stick to beat us with, fair enough, I hope other Celtic fans remember that when the shoe is on the other foot regarding pointing out the true colours of people involved.

bobmalooka · 26-08-2012 05:33PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I didn't hear a single of those songs.

I have to admit, I didn't see the entire game though but it would surprise me if it was as bad as made out here.

What The Builder said two posts up was it TBB was sung in the first five minutes and TFS not at all

So anything sang in the first 5 minutes is ok now?? Anyways about the football, super ally would want to get things moving in the right direction. Ye have a lower half spl standard team so the extra quality will come good but for the cups ye need to pick up the standard

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 05:35PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

So anything sang in the first 5 minutes is ok now?? Anyways about the football, super ally would want to get things moving in the right direction. Ye have a lower half spl standard team so the extra quality will come good but for the cups ye need to pick up the standard

Really this is pathetic I condemned the singing earlier on in the thread you obviously only read the posts you want try reading them all

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 05:35PM

Nobody said it was, but its the reaction to one song being sang at the start of the game thats OTT.

We might have well as chanted "murder all catholics" for 90 minutes the way some people go on about our fans.

LiamoSail · 26-08-2012 05:45PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

There may be nothing wrong with you being at a memorial for an IRA man thats your personal business but here is no place for it in Scottish football

I never heard TBB anytime after the first five minutes and can assure you it was not TFS I would say if it was I can assure you

I'll take your word for it regarding TFS. As for politics and football, I think they're inherintly linked when it comes to Celtic and Rangers, as fans of both link their heritage with their club

Jelle1880 wrote: »

So I take it LiamoSail is fully aware of the real meaning of the word Fenian ?

And not that 'It's a term used against Catholics' bollocks.

I'm pretty sure it means innocent Catholic babies and kittens

TheBuilder wrote: »

Have to say I never heard it more than once.

It definitely got a few airings

It was.

As above, I'll take your word for it. Your better placed to judge then me

Well yes, it is relevant. What connection do terrorists have with Celtic Football club, Scottish football, or any football for that matter? But of course, I'm sure nothing that was sang had anything to do with the provo's :rolleyes:

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter and all that. It was Michael Collins memorial, one of the founders of modern Ireland. I would argue that history and culture of Irish decedents is relevant to those decedents. I wouldn't condone any chanting relating to Provisional IRA activities, particularly those conducted when after the mid seventies when Catholics were allowed a full say at the ballot box

Here we go with this again. That was never denied, ended a long time ago and is still used to have a wee dig. I thought it was whats happening today that matters? Its still funny how we're allowed to be reminded constantly of things that happened in our past.

Of course it is, as the sentiment still prevails among fractions of your support

Craig Whyte through Rangers cheating the taxman out of nine months PAYE was wrong, yes.

Perhaps this is a discussion better explorer when the verdict of the other thing is announced

Sectarian and Xenophobic? While I don't condone TBB, the reaction to it is a bit OTT.

The xenophobic quote related to TFS

Not a stick to beat us with, fair enough, I hope other Celtic fans remember that when the shoe is on the other foot regarding pointing out the true colours of people involved.

Point away. I'm very much of the belief that while I may disagree with the politics of others, they have every right to free speech

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 05:50PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'll take your word for it regarding TFS. As for politics and football, I think they're inherintly linked when it comes to Celtic and Rangers, as fans of both link their heritage with their club

I'm pretty sure it means innocent Catholic babies and kittens

It definitely got a few airings

As above, I'll take your word for it. Your better placed to judge then me

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter and all that. It was Michael Collins memorial, one of the founders of modern Ireland. I would argue that history and culture of Irish decedents is relevant to those decedents. I wouldn't condone any chanting relating to Provisional IRA activities, particularly those conducted when after the mid seventies when Catholics were allowed a full say at the ballot box

Of course it is, as the sentiment still prevails among fractions of your support

Perhaps this is a discussion better explorer when the verdict of the other thing is announced

The xenophobic quote related to TFS

Point away. I'm very much of the belief that while I may disagree with the politics of others, they have every right to free speech

Sorry it really comes down to people of both supports are sick to the back teeth with songs that have nothing to to with Scottish football. We want the morons who won't stop sing these songs out. People can celebrate their culture if they wish without singing songs that more and more of the support are finding offensive.

I also think if you want to talk about singing or politics you find another thread this thread is supposed to be about football

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 05:54PM

Anyway, two big home games now to get us back on track. Falkirk at home in the league cup on Thursday 7.45pm, Elgin at home on Sunday at 4.30pm.

I hope we have a new face or two in by then, I think we need a striker. It's time we got a mostly settled 11, obviously there will be a change here or there but we need to get a settled team. A whole new back four again today didn't help, two of them out of position.

LiamoSail · 26-08-2012 06:12PM

How much confidence have you's in Ally McCoist as a manager?

I'm not suggesting a change, there'd obviously be uproar, but how much confidence do you have in his ability?

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 06:15PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

How much confidence have you's in Ally McCoist as a manager?

I'm not suggesting a change, there'd obviously be uproar, but how much confidence do you have in his ability?

He's had a hell of a lot to deal with the last year. He's still learning, and I think if we stick by him for the next few years he'll learn more than ever and be in a good position when we get back to the top.

He needs to really get the players motivated for away games, thats his biggest challenge, there was a huge difference in attitude today from last week at Ibrox, with the same set of players.

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2012 06:17PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Sang disgusting songs, drama queen. TBB was sang in the first five minutes and not heard again, the famine song was not sang once, there is another song with the same tune though.

I wonder how clean the Celtic away support's singing was yesterday, any IRA chants in there,? I'm not one for sitting listening out for a song at a football match.

Its great this, the song stuff took a back seat while administration and everything else was going on, now that isn't there to beat us with the song stuff comes back.

No there was no IRA chants at the celtic game seeing as you asked. But of course you would ask wouldnt you, deflect deflect deflect

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 06:18PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No there was no IRA chants at the celtic game seeing as you asked. But of course you would ask wouldnt you, deflect deflect deflect

Sorry we're discussing football here, kindly take your boring repetitive nonsense to another thread.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 06:19PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

How much confidence have you's in Ally McCoist as a manager?

I'm not suggesting a change, there'd obviously be uproar, but how much confidence do you have in his ability?

To be perfectly honest. I think he has to start being his own man and come out from WS's shadow. To often you could be forgiven for thinking WS was still in charge, and the pity is there has been a few games where he has played his formations and we have played well.
He will get some time because he has been a rock through all the problems but he has to start showing his worth.
The players also have to look at themselves though as to many of them seem to think they can just turn up and its job done. They have to remember to every player in the third division it is a cup final when we play them also a lot of younger ones will be seeing it as an opportunity to put themselves in the shop window

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2012 06:21PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Anyway, two big home games now to get us back on track. Falkirk at home in the league cup on Thursday 7.45pm, Elgin at home on Sunday at 4.30pm.

I hope we have a new face or two in by then, I think we need a striker. It's time we got a mostly settled 11, obviously there will be a change here or there but we need to get a settled team. A whole new back four again today didn't help, two of them out of position.

Big games

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2012 06:22PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Sorry we're discussing football here, kindly take your boring repetitive nonsense to another thread.

You asked a question an i answered it so whats your problem? And dont ****ing tell me where to post, you posted about songs yourself and i merely replied

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 06:22PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Big games

Laugh away remember we are a humble third division club so of course they are big games

LiamoSail · 26-08-2012 06:30PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

He's had a hell of a lot to deal with the last year. He's still learning, and I think if we stick by him for the next few years he'll learn more than ever and be in a good position when we get back to the top.

He needs to really get the players motivated for away games, thats his biggest challenge, there was a huge difference in attitude today from last week at Ibrox, with the same set of players.

I'd have thought that similar to Neil Lennon, one of McCoist's primary attributes at this stage of his managerial career would be his ability to motivate the players.

As with Lennon, I think McCoist has a lot to prove. He had a great run in the early part of last season when Celtic were abysmal, just as Lennon did when Rangers were. Obviously his side completely collapsed as the season progressed, but in the wider context of what was happening the club , this can't be solely attributed to a poor managerial performance

I genuinely think that in the context of his development as a Manager, the few seasons in the lower leagues coupled with the transfer embargo will be beneficial to him

He'll have to focus on the young players coming through the ranks when the embargo really starts to bite. This in turn should see him place a greater emphasis on their development. He'll also have to work with what he has, and so in terms of tactics he may have to change things around far more often then another manager who can dip into the market, again adding to his experience and developing different styles as a manager

Finally, when he does return to the SPL, he'll have a side with a winning mentality and if he can nurture that, he should be able produce a group stronger then the sum of the parts

Like Lennon, I think he still has a lot to prove, and again, like Lennon he'll have adequate opportunity to do this as the fans will give him time, but both need to deliver the title at a minimum this year, though both should do so with ease

Pompey Magnus · 26-08-2012 07:36PM

Eirebear wrote: »

I would suggest that his comments were more aimed at giving the players who are there a kick up the backside.

The signings of Faure, Cribari and Agriyau have definetly shored us up a bit at the back. But we're still short in midfield imo.

McCulloch won't be able to keep going all season imo, and while McKay and MacCleod have started the season well - they are both vastly inexperienced and will find certain games a struggle.
MacCleod today is the perfect example of that.

Injuries to Black and Shiels would leave us very short in that area imo.

Yes but you are a 3rd Division team playing against other 3rd Division teams of far inferior quality. An inexperienced Paul Hartley won the 3rd Division last season with a smaller squad than McCoist has now with 4 games to spare (beating Elgin City 8-1 to clinch it, Elgin City who next Sunday has just been described as a big game for The Rangers)

Hartley had to deal with injuries just like every manager in that division, for McCoist to say his relatively large squad needs even more players just shows him up tbh. Berwick Rangers today has a first team squad of 20 players, Montrose 16, The Rangers currently have the biggest first team squad in the league with 26 players and a high quality youth development facility yet McCoist doesn't feel this is enough for him. By the way Paul Hartley had a first team squad of one player (yes, one!) when he took over as the previous players all left after relegation so Hartley had a much tougher job in building a squad than McCoist.

He is talking nonsense by saying that more players are essential, a half decent manager would make do with a large squad of SPL quality and some international quality players and not go complaining to the press that he needs more.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 26-08-2012 07:39PM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Yes but you are a 3rd Division team playing against other 3rd Division teams of far inferior quality. An inexperienced Paul Hartley won the 3rd Division last season with a smaller squad than McCoist has now with 4 games to spare (beating Elgin City 8-1 to clinch it, Elgin City who next Sunday has just been described as a big game for The Rangers)

Hartley had to deal with injuries just like every manager in that division, for McCoist to say his relatively large squad needs even more players just shows him up tbh. Berwick Rangers today has a first team squad of 20 players, Montrose 16, The Rangers currently have the biggest first team squad in the league with 26 players and a high quality youth development facility yet McCoist doesn't feel this is enough for him.

He is talking nonsense by saying that more players are essential, a half decent manager would make do with a large squad of SPL quality and some international quality players and not go complaining to the press that he needs more.

He is not complaining he is stating a fact Rangers fans can see it we need at least four new players remember these players have to do us 18 months so don't compare it with what anyone else has done its a totally different situation

TheBuilder · 26-08-2012 07:47PM

Yeah our first team squad is of 26, but the majority of them have never seen first team football at any level until this season. McLeod, McKay, Naismith, Crawford, Hegarty, Mitchell, Naismith, Gallacher, Witkorski are all very young. Add to that Perry and Faure who have very little experience and it's a very small squad.

lubo_moravcik · 26-08-2012 10:43PM

This wouldn't be the sevco bus that broke down on the way home from today's game? Surely not

lubo_moravcik · 26-08-2012 10:46PM

What was the average age of the team out there today?

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