Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Roger Sterling · 26-08-2012 12:44PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Say you got 50 million for Rooney, who would you replace him with?

You would be pushed to get 2 quality players for that money.

Fergie wont splash the silly money it takes to real quality these days, and strikers like Cavani etc would all be north of 35 million

Given that RVP and Kagawa were signed in the Summer Id be investing the dollars in other areas of the squad.

cloptrop · 26-08-2012 12:46PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Say you got 50 million for Rooney, who would you replace him with?

You would be pushed to get 2 quality players for that money.

Fergie wont splash the silly money it takes to real quality these days, and strikers like Cavani etc would all be north of 35 million

Given that RVP and Kagawa were signed in the Summer Id be investing the dollars in other areas of the squad.

Yeah like a fella to teach the defence how to stretch before playing.

Fenix · 26-08-2012 12:48PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Fenix wrote: »

Thought cleverly was excellent yesterday, both himself and DDG need to put serious time and effort into bulking up this season, that's the only weak part of thier game.

Anderson for me is still 'meh', I'd take Dembele/Fellani over him in a heartbeat.

Bring back Jame Gumb, id swap Nani for Hazard in the morning, he's going to be world class. Nani is the most frustrating player in the world, everyone knows what he is capable of, but he's not consistent enough and goes missing too often. The £15m being touted for him is ridiculous in todays market though.

Rooney is a massive player for us, but we no longer rely on him. If he dosnt gel with RVP, I think Robin will get the nod. The time he held us to ransom may come back to bit him in the hole. If £50m was on the table (and I knew it would be spent on players) I'd take it.

Only my opinions, feel free to disagree.

I disagree. [COLOR="White"](not being smart arse, but I disagree with almost whole post)[/COLOR]

Excellent, care to venture why? What, if any, do you agree with?

Sgt Pepper 64 · 26-08-2012 01:03PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Given that RVP and Kagawa were signed in the Summer Id be investing the dollars in other areas of the squad.

True, but midfield could be just as costly

MagicMarker · 26-08-2012 01:05PM

Rooney's not going anywhere.

fish fingers · 26-08-2012 01:08PM

I was well impressed with Dembele yesterday, he was skipping past and brushing past players even at the end. He's strong as fcuk.

Giggsy11 · 26-08-2012 01:08PM

Fenix wrote: »

Excellent, care to venture why? What, if any, do you agree with?

Swapping Nani for Hazard as Nani has proved his worth for years and one of the best winger in the world. Hazard may go on to become one of the best player but as of now Nani is better player.

I wouldn't sell Rooney for 50Million as you won't get player of his quality for 50Million. For all the bitching about him, he has scored 30 plus goals twice in 3 seasons and in the other season he was simply superb in the second half of the season.

If anything we will just weaken the squad by selling players like Rooney. Maybe we see this only from ManUtd fans, wanting to sell the best players. I know few people don't like Rooney for his contract saga, but there is no doubt he is one of the best player and no one has scored more goals than Rooney since his PL debut (In PL). His goal scoring ratio is better than Torres, Drogba, Tevez, RVP. Not sure why anyone wants to sell him.

Also he is what, 4th best goal scorer in ManUtd history? Going at this rate he will be the best goal scorer for ManUtd.

Edit: Yeah lets sell Rooney and rely on RVP. Once he gets injured then we can panic and drop like a pile of ****.

_blank_ · 26-08-2012 01:12PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Say you got 50 million for Rooney, who would you replace him with?

You would be pushed to get 2 quality players for that money.

Fergie wont splash the silly money it takes to real quality these days, and strikers like Cavani etc would all be north of 35 million

24m is pretty silly money for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract.

recyclebin · 26-08-2012 01:16PM

With the transfer deadline getting close every toerag journalist is trying to spout as many rumours as ink will fit on paper.

Anderson, Nani and Rooney won't be going anywhere soon.

I hope for his own sake though that Berbatov gets to leave as he is a waste of talent sitting on the sidelines.

cloptrop · 26-08-2012 01:38PM

recyclebin wrote: »

With the transfer deadline getting close every toerag journalist is trying to spout as many rumours as ink will fit on paper.

Anderson, Nani and Rooney won't be going anywhere soon.

I hope for his own sake though that Berbatov gets to leave as he is a waste of talent sitting on the sidelines.

Swap deal and cash for dembele?

Drumpot · 26-08-2012 01:39PM

Des wrote: »

24m is pretty silly money for a 29 year old with one year left on his contract.

If United retain the league and/or win the CL, it will look like a bargain. . Still a bargain in comparison to the 35million Liverpool spent on Andy Carroll . .

I dont really care how much he cost. The club has the money (even if the owners are unwilling to loosen the coffers), why do fans get hung up on the cost of players?

As for the discussion on Rooney, hes going nowhere and I dont believe Anderson is going anywhere either.

In relation to Nani, I have never taken to him (never took to Ronaldo either). He is most definitley not a team player and I just dont like those kind of players (not having a go at his ability, just never liked watching or playing with these kind of players).

The question Sir Alex is possibly asking himself is "Is Nani a luxury thats not worth his place in the team?". Yesterday united looked like a fantastic unit at times (the defence issue is another discussioon). . Nani can be exceptional and awful, but I think his form is extremely erratic. Statistics do not show how much work a player puts into their performance/team in any given game and Nani is a player whom if he is not playing well, he contributes little to the team.

Ronaldo might not contribute anything for a game and then get a goal or an important assist. That might be all he would do in a game, but he would do it consistantly and very regularly. Nani just doesnt do it enough for me. As a squad player I dont mind him remaining at the club, but I dont class him as a player who should expect a regular start and judging from his advisers step down (to accept less wages then they were initialy looking for) it looks like Sir Alex isnt thinking too far from this line of thought . .

26-08-2012 01:48PM

Nani would have probably been an improvement on Young in the game yesterday though, if Young had started against Everton and Nani the game yesterday a lot of opinions would be different imo.

Drumpot · 26-08-2012 01:51PM

Liam O wrote: »

Nani would have probably been an improvement on Young in the game yesterday though, if Young had started against Everton and Nani the game yesterday a lot of opinions would be different imo.

My opinion on Nani has never changed . . If he played and scored yesterday it wouldnt change any of my views or make them any less relevant. If anything it would back up my point on his erratic form.

Im not Youngs biggest fan either tbh. His form is very much like Nanis, you just never know what you are going to get from either of these players.

There are a bunch of fickle fans around here who change their views on players very regularly (like De Gea!), please dont confuse me with this crowd . .

IvySlayer · 26-08-2012 01:51PM

Can we never play Giggs in CM in a tight game? OK? Kagawa should've played the full 90.

LostBoy101 · 26-08-2012 01:52PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

Can we never play Giggs in CM in a tight game? OK? Kagawa should've played the full 90.

If Fergie wanted to make a CM change in that situation he should bring in Scholes to tidy it up.

cloptrop · 26-08-2012 01:53PM

Liam O wrote: »

Nani would have probably been an improvement on Young in the game yesterday though, if Young had started against Everton and Nani the game yesterday a lot of opinions would be different imo.

Maybe if young got a good run of games .............

yabadabado · 26-08-2012 02:17PM

I would pass any heed to the ****e papers/journalist are saying,window closing in a few days and they will print anything now.Get as many rumours out as possibel and hope one or two are correct.

Dembele was very impressive yesterday again.A player I would really like to see at United.Him and Carrick would be a excellent partnership in my opinion.

Pro. F · 26-08-2012 02:18PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Say you got 50 million for Rooney, who would you replace him with?

You would be pushed to get 2 quality players for that money.

Fergie wont splash the silly money it takes to real quality these days, and strikers like Cavani etc would all be north of 35 million

Fergie just spent £22 million to get RVP. I definitely think that counts as silly money and real quality. But I get what you mean in that Fergie wouldn't spend £30m plus type of money.

But there are still plenty of quality players available for under 25 million these days. Didn't Song just go to Barca for £15m or something stupid like that? Vidal went to Juve for £12m last year iirc. Kagawa came to United for £12m this summer. Still loads of quality available for sensible money when you think about it.

ROCKMAN · 26-08-2012 02:27PM

Rooney's going nowhere !!!!!!
Selling him would be madness...

Why does it have to be one or the other ,RVP or Rooney ?

For me the two will make an unreal partnership will both feeding of each other ,Yes there be games and times when one or the other will start up front alone ,But in general I like to see both start every game with Kagawa pulling the strings behind.

Giggsy11 · 26-08-2012 02:29PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Fergie just spent £22 million to get RVP. I definitely think that counts as silly money and real quality. But I get what you mean in that Fergie wouldn't spend £30m plus type of money.

But there are still plenty of quality players available for under 25 million these days. Didn't Song just go to Barca for £15m or something stupid like that? Vidal went to Juve for £12m last year iirc. Kagawa came to United for £12m this summer. Still loads of quality available for sensible money when you think about it.

Yeah in last year or 2 many good players have moved for good fee. Moutinho for around 10M, Witsel for 8M, Guarin for 11M, Vidal for 10M, Xhaka for 7M, Cazorla for 14M and likewise many other players. We should just look out of GB.

Donnielighto · 26-08-2012 02:39PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

There's thousands of farmers across the country........I don't know any personally.
Your smart ass comment holds no weight.

lets meet for pints, ill tell ya all about balin, dosin and ivomec

Donnielighto · 26-08-2012 02:44PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Swapping Nani for Hazard as Nani has proved his worth for years and one of the best winger in the world. Hazard may go on to become one of the best player but as of now Nani is better player.

I wouldn't sell Rooney for 50Million as you won't get player of his quality for 50Million. For all the bitching about him, he has scored 30 plus goals twice in 3 seasons and in the other season he was simply superb in the second half of the season.

If anything we will just weaken the squad by selling players like Rooney. Maybe we see this only from ManUtd fans, wanting to sell the best players. I know few people don't like Rooney for his contract saga, but there is no doubt he is one of the best player and no one has scored more goals than Rooney since his PL debut (In PL). His goal scoring ratio is better than Torres, Drogba, Tevez, RVP. Not sure why anyone wants to sell him.

Also he is what, 4th best goal scorer in ManUtd history? Going at this rate he will be the best goal scorer for ManUtd.

Edit: Yeah lets sell Rooney and rely on RVP. Once he gets injured then we can panic and drop like a pile of ****.

Contract shenanigans alone mean id have turfed him out. Wouldnt see berba draggin the clubs name through the mud.

Donnielighto · 26-08-2012 02:52PM

Drumpot wrote: »

My opinion on Nani has never changed . . If he played and scored yesterday it wouldnt change any of my views or make them any less relevant. If anything it would back up my point on his erratic form.

Im not Youngs biggest fan either tbh. His form is very much like Nanis, you just never know what you are going to get from either of these players.

There are a bunch of fickle fans around here who change their views on players very regularly (like De Gea!), please dont confuse me with this crowd . .

Is the team more likely to win with Nani in it or not is the first question you should ask. Compared to young, the answer tends to be yes, I'd expect united to have a better chance of winning with nani before the game tipped off. Also nani's stats arent inconsistent from the last 2 seasons, if anything young was moreso with a couple of huge performances followed by relative anonymity for a few months. But you've already said you're opinion on nani has never changed despite him being a completely different player than a few years ago so what would you see as being required for him to a better player, an assist/goal every game, gettin tackles in on the opposition 9 and 10. Nani is a wing forward and a very effective one at that.

homerjay2005 · 26-08-2012 02:55PM

strange game, i think we were lucky. have to say im confused with all this talk about how good we were yesterday going forward. first half we were good, but nothing spectacular, we scored from 2 crosses and a corner, hardly fantastic football was it!

second half we were really poor going forward and we created nothing at all, we had 2 shots on goal - rafaels and cleverlys from distance. Fulham probably deserved a point on the balance of things, they had some superb chances though to me the fulham player who challenged De gea for the 2nd goal, made no attempt to play the ball, jumped into de gea with his back and it would have been a free out had the ref done his job. a few strange calls at the end of the game also from him, but luckily it didnt cost us.

rafael was excellent going forward, but both goals came from his position and he made one or two errors so was poor defending. De gea as i said was fouled for the goal, but was excellent again and is going to be a huge player for us. everybody else was solid without being spectacular, though i think all this new formation is going to do is isolate the front man, shocked also to see RVP playing so deep in the last 20 mins.

Fulham looked like scoring everytime they attacked, Dembele was super for them, really when the chips came down he caused us endless problems. one thing though, everybody is assuming our vulnerabilty at the back is down to Carrick being played there.

taking aside him being missing from the midfield, i dont think its that simple, we are really really open and just dont have the right set up at the moment to be solid at the back. something just isnt right, we are not solid, yet not exactly flowing, so alot of hard work is needed.

great to be back in the strettie though and onwards an upwards, i hope:o

Mikeyt086 · 26-08-2012 03:09PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

strange game, i think we were lucky. have to say im confused with all this talk about how good we were yesterday going forward. first half we were good, but nothing spectacular, we scored from 2 crosses and a corner, hardly fantastic football was it!

second half we were really poor going forward and we created nothing at all, we had 2 shots on goal - rafaels and cleverlys from distance. Fulham probably deserved a point on the balance of things, they had some superb chances though to me the fulham player who challenged De gea for the 2nd goal, made no attempt to play the ball, jumped into de gea with his back and it would have been a free out had the ref done his job. a few strange calls at the end of the game also from him, but luckily it didnt cost us.

rafael was excellent going forward, but both goals came from his position and he made one or two errors so was poor defending. De gea as i said was fouled for the goal, but was excellent again and is going to be a huge player for us. everybody else was solid without being spectacular, though i think all this new formation is going to do is isolate the front man, shocked also to see RVP playing so deep in the last 20 mins.

Fulham looked like scoring everytime they attacked, Dembele was super for them, really when the chips came down he caused us endless problems. one thing though, everybody is assuming our vulnerabilty at the back is down to Carrick being played there.

taking aside him being missing from the midfield, i dont think its that simple, we are really really open and just dont have the right set up at the moment to be solid at the back. something just isnt right, we are not solid, yet not exactly flowing, so alot of hard work is needed.

great to be back in the strettie though and onwards an upwards, i hope:o

I totally agree with this.

Petric turns, looks for De Gea, then moves away from the ball, leads with his arm and blocks De Gea off. Vidic misjudged his jump because he was expecting contact with Petric, but there was none, because Petric just his attention to impeding De Gea. Pissed me off. If it wasnt DDG I'm sure it would have been a foul.

shrewdness · 26-08-2012 03:30PM

Yeah they even pointed that out on MOTD about Petric backing into DDG, but never even talked about it as a possible foul. I have to laugh at all these people crawling out of the woodwork again to call De Gea sh*t etc. after that goal, yet they don't mention the amount of saves he made(including that brilliant double save), and they were nowhere to be seen last week after his fantastic performance at Everton.

Yes he's not the full package yet, but he's still only 21. He's going to be a massive player for us in the future, in fact he is already.

Elbow · 26-08-2012 04:22PM

Bit of nostalgia for ye of a sunday evening, Was flicking through the music channels earlier and this was on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NXe_M8LgRw

Mitch Connor · 26-08-2012 04:23PM

homerjay2005 · 26-08-2012 04:35PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Player rating results for the Everton game.

Name|Avrage Rating
De Gea | 8.3
Kagawa | 7.85
Vidic | 6.11
Valencia | 5.74
Cleverley | 5.59
Scholes | 5.56
Welbeck | 5.44
Carrick | 5.15
Van Persie | 4.96
Young | 4.74
Anderson | 4.67
Evra | 4.59
Rooney | 4.59
Nani | 3.3

Player rating link for the Fulham game:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGt5MFhUbHZ4cy1la1B6WlBCbE44OVE6MQ#gid=0

Surprised how many people rated welbeck ahead of the others, he was our worst player on the pitch IMO.

MANUTD99 · 26-08-2012 04:47PM

I only post here from time to time.

Reading back on some comments about Rooney. Seems some opinions are he is overweight and happy he in injured for a month.

I don't for a second think he is overweight. I think he was very sluggish against Everton but didn't look overweight IMO. It would always take him 2/3 games to get going every year. One of our most important players regardless of RVP.

Regarding Nani. I would hate for him to leave United. Great player and on his day and is a nightmare for defenders. I don't think he can play on the left though. I think Fergie has a problem picking Valencia or Nani. Nani is a big threat when on the right side, Valencia also. Nani can play on the left but is less effective. Valencia can't play on the left.

We keep passing the ball across to each other and not creating chances through the middle.Very noticable last season and already again this year. We had a lot of possesion yesterday and created nothing. I think it is a worrying time as a fan. Kagawa looks like a good signing. If we get 10+ goals from him we might have a chance

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