We pay the dole of 6 people with our taxes - We're off to the US

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:13PM #1

My wife and I worked out that our combined income tax pays the full dole of 6 unemployed people.

We both worked in the US for a few years before and tax there is nothing compared to what we pay in Ireland.

We would like to stay in Ireland as its home afterall, but seriously, if we have to pay anymore in tax after this next budget we're off, back to the US.

So while Noonan is raising taxes, yet again, for hard working people, he can think about how he's going to raise it enough to keep those 6 people on the dole without our income tax. He can also figure out where he's going to make up the money we wont be spending in Ireland every year either.

Really getting tired of being the ones getting gouged by the government.
Does anyone else feel the same way.

Bullseye1 · 25-08-2012 04:16PM

I'm sure your not alone in your frustration at being gouged in your take home pay. But the US has its own problems so its not all rosey over there. We just have particularly poor standard of politician.

25-08-2012 04:21PM

Hope you don't have trouble finding work in the US, good luck on their social welfare. Or worse, you really don't want to fall ill over there

EDIT: Oh, and your tax doesn't pay for 6 people on the dole. It pays for the roads you use, the hospitals you attend and the education your children receive

Cedrus · 25-08-2012 04:23PM

"If" your income tax covers six peoples dole + all of the other things that tax pays for (government, civil servants, hospitals, emergency services, roads, your own dole at some point in the future, pensions etc) then you are a serious wedge.

pontia · 25-08-2012 04:23PM

i wouldent worry.your taxes are helping eastern. europe africa and the middle east as well as a few people in ireland

liammur · 25-08-2012 04:24PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

My wife and I worked out that our combined income tax pays the full dole of 6 unemployed people.

We both worked in the US for a few years before and tax there is nothing compared to what we pay in Ireland.

We would like to stay in Ireland as its home afterall, but seriously, if we have to pay anymore in tax after this next budget we're off, back to the US.

So while Noonan is raising taxes, yet again, for hard working people, he can think about how he's going to raise it enough to keep those 6 people on the dole without our income tax. He can also figure out where he's going to make up the money we wont be spending in Ireland every year either.

Really getting tired of being the ones getting gouged by the government.
Does anyone else feel the same way.

I'd say you are talking complete rubbish here. The full dole payment in this country is roughly over €20K. Very few in this country are paying €120K in taxes.

ResearchWill · 25-08-2012 04:27PM

Best of luck over there, hope you don't have many kids the cost of education will be huge, also will be great to know your tax dollars over there will support the largest military and prison population in the World.

BTW it's good that Ireland gave you the education in life that was so good for both yourself and the wife that ye earn enough to pay over a grand a week in tax.

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:27PM

Cedrus wrote: »

"If" your income tax covers six peoples dole + all of the other things that tax pays for (government, civil servants, hospitals, emergency services, roads, your own dole at some point in the future, pensions etc) then you are a serious wedge.

WTF are you whining for?

I didnt say " + all the other things". I used it as a round figure. All of my taxes = x amount. X amount is equivalent to 6 peoples dole money.

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:29PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I'm sure your not alone in your frustration at being gouged in your take home pay. But the US has its own problems so its not all rosey over there. We just have particularly poor standard of politician.

I still go there regularly for work.
You should work out what tax you would pay over there, or elsewhere, and see how it compares. Its shocking.

augustus gloop wrote: »

goodbye cant say youll be missed, some people are on the dole as a last resort, thank god those 6 people had you the last few years.
enjoy america

I dont really care whether i'll be missed or not. I'm making the point that if enough people have had enough here, what will happen here?

Gouging people too much will have consequences. And the government need to look at what they will be.

ResearchWill · 25-08-2012 04:30PM

liammur wrote: »

I'd say you are talking complete rubbish here. The full dole payment in this country is roughly over €20K. Very few in this country are paying €120K in taxes.

€400 a week on the dole wow I'm giving up work and there I thought it was less than €190.

wyndhurst · 25-08-2012 04:31PM

liammur wrote: »

I'd say you are talking complete rubbish here. The full dole payment in this country is roughly over €20K. Very few in this country are paying €120K in taxes.

Work for the Dept of Finance by any chance?
€188 x 52wks = €9776/yr
Am I missing something here?

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:31PM

28064212 wrote: »

Hope you don't have trouble finding work in the US, good luck on their social welfare. Or worse, you really don't want to fall ill over there

EDIT: Oh, and your tax doesn't pay for 6 people on the dole. It pays for the roads you use, the hospitals you attend and the education your children receive

Thats a bit of a sheltered view of the US you have there. You probably know all
you know about living in the US form what you saw in Michael Moore documentaries. Next you'll be telling me i'll get shot if I go to the cinema over there. :rolleyes:

monkeypants · 25-08-2012 04:32PM

Dole = €188 each week, multiplying that by 52 weeks equals €9,776.

The dole for six people is €58,656.

If the combined PAYE burden for yourself and your missus comes to €58,656, you're doing okay and you should stop whinging.

I'm probably taking a very simplistic view of this and missing a lot of nuance and detail, but I suspect that you're both still doing okay.

marienbad · 25-08-2012 04:32PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

I didnt say " + all the other things". I used it as a round figure. All of my taxes = x amount. X amount is equivalent to 6 peoples dole money.

So are you and your wife paying 60k in tax then ?

liammur · 25-08-2012 04:33PM

ResearchWill wrote: »

€400 a week on the dole wow I'm giving up work and there I thought it was less than €190.

Basic dole = €188
Full dole payment = €188 + ( about 101 other benefits which actually dwarf the basic dole payment).

25-08-2012 04:36PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Thats a bit of a sheltered view of the US you have there. You probably know all
you know about living in the US form what you saw in Michael Moore documentaries. Next you'll be telling me i'll get shot if I go to the cinema over there. :rolleyes:

Really? You're really going to claim that the cost of healthcare isn't much higher and the level of social welfare isn't much lower in the US than here?

If you can't or won't respond to points, then don't, but don't resort to ad hominem attacks, you just look foolish

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:39PM

monkeypants wrote: »

Dole = €188 each week, multiplying that by 52 weeks equals €9,776.

The dole for six people is €58,656.

If the combined PAYE burden for yourself and your missus comes to €58,656, you're doing okay and you should stop whinging.

I'm probably taking a very simplistic view of this and missing a lot of nuance and detail, but I suspect that you're both still doing okay.

Yes we are doing OK. But for every extra euro we earn now over half is taken by the taxman. Now that hurts when you work hard to increase your income, only to see it lifted straight out of your pocket. And now they want to go in for more.

later12 · 25-08-2012 04:41PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Yes we are doing OK. But for every extra euro we earn now over half is taken by the taxman. Now that hurts when you work hard to increase your income, only to see it lifted straight out of your pocket. And now they want to go in for more.

Hmm. Not sure this is a particularly credible thread. Here is a table of effective income tax rates using the latest Revenue statistics.

Farewell.

monkeypants · 25-08-2012 04:43PM

liammur wrote: »

Basic dole = €188
Full dole payment = €188 + ( about 101 other benefits which actually dwarf the basic dole payment).

Ah, so that's where I went wrong back in September '09; I asked for a JA form and I should have asked for a 'Full Dole' form instead. Heaven forbid I end up unemployed again, but if I do, I'll be more careful. That was an expensive mistake to make. My pre-paid payment actually went down from €204 to €196. Luckily I was back in work before it dropped again.

liammur · 25-08-2012 04:43PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Yes we are doing OK. But for every extra euro we earn now over half is taken by the taxman. Now that hurts when you work hard to increase your income, only to see it lifted straight out of your pocket. And now they want to go in for more.

I'm not sure they want to, more like they have to.

Expect another 10 years of austerity. For every 1 year of budget giveaways, it takes 3 to undo it. We had a lot of them under FF, Greece is in a very similar situation.

The US will face their own fiscal cliff on 31.12.12. You can expect a cycle of austerity to begin there in the new year.

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:44PM

28064212 wrote: »

Really? You're really going to claim that the cost of healthcare isn't much higher and the level of social welfare isn't much lower in the US than here?

If you can't or won't respond to points, then don't, but don't resort to ad hominem attacks, you just look foolish

Medical insurance is about the same as it is here. And any good employer will pay it for you. And yes i've been sick in the US and no it didnt cost me anything.
Social welfare I dont really care about. I havent been on the dole since the 80's. And if I did need social welfare and its higher in Ireland at the time then I'll just come home to Ireland.

ResearchWill · 25-08-2012 04:45PM

Just did some quick calculations a married couple single income 120k a year in US New York take home would be $7384.00 while in Ireland it would be €5885.00. While I kept the figure the same of cours currency is different.

The question the OP has to ask is the difference work it for them. Having children will effect the decision. But deciding where to live is not all down to taxes many in Northern Europe will pay much higher taxes as they believe it's worth it.

zielarz · 25-08-2012 04:45PM

I agree with the OP, the worst crime you can commit in this country is the crime of making money. Current 52% marginal rate is ridiculously high and it's just a disincentive to work. For some reason society believes this is fair.
I wish you good luck. The only think I'd consider is the higher cost of healthcare in US.

PucaMama · 25-08-2012 04:46PM

liammur wrote: »

Basic dole = €188
Full dole payment = €188 + ( about 101 other benefits which actually dwarf the basic dole payment).

:rolleyes:proof?

ResearchWill · 25-08-2012 04:47PM

TheTurk1972 wrote: »

Medical insurance is about the same as it is here. And any good employer will pay it for you. And yes i've been sick in the US and no it didnt cost me anything.
Social welfare I dont really care about. I havent been on the dole since the 80's. And if I did need social welfare and its higher in Ireland at the time then I'll just come home to Ireland.

A number of years ago Ireland introduced the Habituial Residency test in social welfare, so if you doreturn for SW you more than likely wont get it.

Health insurance is not the same as here "According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, private employers provide health insurance coverage for just over half of U.S. residents. The annual Employer Health Benefits Survey conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation estimated an average annual cost of $13,770 for family health insurance."

http://www.ehow.com/info_8743121_average-cost-insurance-married-couple.html

If your employer dies not pay a huge hunk of your tax saving is gone there.

A good family policy here is between 1k and 3k .

PucaMama · 25-08-2012 04:48PM

later12 wrote: »

Hmm. Not sure this is a particularly credible thread. Here is a table of effective income tax rates using the latest Revenue statistics.

Farewell.

is that true? look at the difference in tax on 30,000 between married and single :eek:

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:50PM

ResearchWill wrote: »

Just did some quick calculations a married couple single income 120k a year in US New York take home would be $7384.00 while in Ireland it would be €5885.00. While I kept the figure the same of cours currency is different.

The question the OP has to ask is the difference work it for them. Having children will effect the decision. But deciding where to live is not all down to taxes many in Northern Europe will pay much higher taxes as they believe it's worth it.

You should look up the deductibles allowed in the US. You might find that you arrive at a hugely different figure for take home then. The cost of living is also much lower than here.

The difference is big.

srsly78 · 25-08-2012 04:50PM

PucaMama wrote: »

is that true? look at the difference in tax on 30,000 between married and single :eek:

The table is just showing income tax, and not showing usc+prsi deducation which are huge.

Kevwoody · 25-08-2012 04:51PM

So are u actually paying 60k a year in tax or not?

TheTurk1972 · 25-08-2012 04:53PM

ResearchWill wrote: »

A number of years ago Ireland introduced the Habituial Residency test in social welfare, so if you doreturn for SWyou more than likely wont get it.

Funny my cousin came back from the states 3 months ago. Went down to the health center and now he's getting nearly €200 a week plus rent.

But anyway, I dont intend to be on the dole. If the day comes that I cant get a job, i'll figure something out. Like most of the world.

25-08-2012 04:54PM

I think we need to arrive somewhere in between. In the US if you lose your job you are in trouble, over here and in Europe generally welfare is outrageously high, esp when children come into the mix.

Many married people with kids are nearly better off not working on the dole the they would be in employment or the difference is marginal, this should not be happening.

We pay the dole of 6 people with our taxes - We're off to the US

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