The Homeless

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 04:38PM #1

I was in Superquinn earlier and on my way out, at the exit, there was a guy collecting for the homeless. He asked the guy ahead of me "would you like to support the homeless" Guy turns around and says "no, why should I help the junkies, all them homeless take drugs, you're worse for collecting for them."
This got me thinking, yeah, he has a point in what he is saying. I'm sure the majority of homeless people are drug addicts and alcoholics but I'm sure there are genuine cases of homelessness.
Anytime I'm in around town, I will either buy at least one homeless person something to eat or else I will give them a few euro. I know in my heart of hearts when I hand them money, it will go on drink or drugs. The way I look at it though, is that if I give them money, it may prevent them robbing someone or breaking in to a house to get the money to feed their habit.
My heart does go out to them. I hate seeing it, I know the majority of these people have brought it on themselves but anyone could get caught up in the grip of addiction.
Do ye give money to the homeless or do ye think along the lines of the guy giving out in Superquinn.

pebbles21 · 25-08-2012 04:42PM

So you give money to the homeless?

No need to make a Big Issue out of it!

neil_hosey · 25-08-2012 04:42PM

Culleeo wrote: »

I was in Superquinn earlier and on my way out, at the exit, there was a guy collecting for the homeless. He asked the guy ahead of me "would you like to support the homeless" Guy turns around and says "no, why should I help the junkies, all them homeless take drugs, you're worse for collecting for them."
This got me thinking, yeah, he has a point in what he is saying. I'm sure the majority of homeless people are drug addicts and alcoholics but I'm sure there are genuine cases of homelessness.
Anytime I'm in around town, I will either buy at least one homeless person something to eat or else I will give them a few euro. I know in my heart of hearts when I hand them money, it will go on drink or drugs. The way I look at it though, is that if I give them money, it may prevent them robbing someone or breaking in to a house to get the money to feed their habit.
My heart does go out to them. I hate seeing it, I know the majority of these people have brought it on themselves but anyone could get caught up in the grip of addiction.
Do ye give money to the homeless or do ye think along the lines of the guy giving out in Superquinn.

i dont give to homeless people, especially not cigarettes. If i see a genuine one, i might give something (there used to be a guy sleeping on kildare st reading every night).

Most cases they are junkies, who CHOSE to become junkies. Ive no sympathy and would rather they all be herded up and put on some island, we could call it "junkie island".

Alot of the people who claim to be homeless also clearly arent homeless (fairly new airmax, its not a coincidence that half the homeless population of dublin own 110 euro nike airmax!), which is another reason why i dont give anything, not to mention the romas but enough has been said on them!

Id rather give my hard earned to a more worthy charity like a childrens hospital or something

Duckworth_Luas · 25-08-2012 04:44PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

Ive no sympathy and would rather they all be herded up and put on some island, we could call it "junkie island".

Isn't that Dublin city centre?

neil_hosey · 25-08-2012 04:45PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Isn't that Dublin city centre?

you feel like you are in a zombie movie some days walking around o connell st.

girl in the striped socks · 25-08-2012 04:47PM

The guy outside the shop was probably being paid commission for collecting money for the homeless.
I'd rather slit my own throat with a broken bottle before I would hand over money to an organisation that pays chuggers.

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 04:47PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

i dont give to homeless people, especially not cigarettes. If i see a genuine one, i might give something (there used to be a guy sleeping on kildare st reading every night).

Most cases they are junkies, who CHOSE to become junkies. Ive no sympathy and would rather they all be herded up and put on some island, we could call it "junkie island".

Alot of the people who claim to be homeless also clearly arent homeless (fairly new airmax, its not a coincidence that half the homeless population of dublin own 110 euro nike airmax!), which is another reason why i dont give anything, not to mention the romas but enough has been said on them!

Id rather give my hard earned to a more worthy charity like a childrens hospital or something

I'm sure they don't choose to become junkies. They didn't wake up one day and say yes, I want to be a junkie and I want to live on the streets.

ITS_A_BADGER · 25-08-2012 04:48PM

absolutely give to the homeless, true that you dont know for sure what they are gonna use the money for, but id rather give a couple of euro to give them an option to get some food rather than walk by and be a stuck up prick, 2-3 euro isnt a lot to give, but its a hell of a lot to them!! i used to pass this guy in galway city when i lived there every day and used to throw him a few euro, one day i was getting breakfast in mc donnels (an egg mc muffin) and decided to get two and 2 bottles of water, i went out to the guy and gave him the mc muffin and a bottle of water and he was delighted! that was the last time i ever saw him, i passed that spot everyday for the next 6-7 months and never saw him again, id like to think that he might have gotten his act together and sorted himself out, who knows

wp_rathead · 25-08-2012 04:49PM

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

The guy outside the shop was probably being paid commission for collecting money for the homeless.
I'd rather slit my own throat with a broken bottle before I would hand over money to an organisation that pays chuggers.

could be voluntary work

agree though- can't stand chuggers

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 25-08-2012 04:50PM

ITS_A_BADGER wrote: »

absolutely give to the homeless, true that you dont know for sure what they are gonna use the money for, but id rather give a couple of euro to give them an option to get some food rather than walk by and be a stuck up prick, 2-3 euro isnt a lot to give, but its a hell of a lot to them!! i used to pass this guy in galway city when i lived there every day and used to throw him a few euro, one day i was getting breakfast in mc donnels (an egg mc muffin) and decided to get two and 2 bottles of water, i went out to the guy and gave him the mc muffin and a bottle of water and he was delighted! that was the last time i ever saw him, i passed that spot everyday for the next 6-7 months and never saw him again, id like to think that he might have gotten his act together and sorted himself out, who knows

Maybe he choked on the McMuffin, you might have killed him.:eek:

Are they "HomeLESS" or "StreetFULL"?

Either way, if a fecker comes up and looks for money from me I usually dont give it. I regularly empty my pockets into the cup of a guy in a tatty soaking wet sleeping bag. You can tell the genuine cases from the outright junkies looking for "a few euro for the bus mister, I left my pregnant wife in the boot of my merc and I have to get her out 'cos she has my wallet. Thats why I need all your money"

B.A._Baracus · 25-08-2012 04:50PM

pebbles21 wrote: »

So you give money to the homeless?

No need to make a Big Issue out of it!

... and this sums up boards.ie
Person creates a topic and IMMEDIATELY has to get blasted :rolleyes:

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 04:51PM

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

The guy outside the shop was probably being paid commission for collecting money for the homeless.
I'd rather slit my own throat with a broken bottle before I would hand over money to an organisation that pays chuggers.

I wouldn't hand him money either because I can't stand chuggers pestering me, but if I come across a homeless person in around town, I would give them a few euro.

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 04:53PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... and this sums up boards.ie
Person creates a topic and IMMEDIATELY has to get blasted :rolleyes:

Ah, it's only a bit of craic, this is AH, I did laugh at the reply

neil_hosey · 25-08-2012 04:53PM

Culleeo wrote: »

I'm sure they don't choose to become junkies. They didn't wake up one day and say yes, I want to be a junkie and I want to live on the streets.

well they werent all just walkin down the road and suddenly fell on a syringe.

wp_rathead · 25-08-2012 04:54PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... and this sums up boards.ie
Person creates a topic and IMMEDIATELY has to get blasted :rolleyes:

blasted with _______ :pac:

A Neurotic · 25-08-2012 04:54PM

Junkies or not (and I think it's absolutely retarded to assume that someone's a junkie just because they're homeless; or to think that someone "deserves" to be homeless due to addiction and isn't worthy of help) I feel that these people clearly appreciate a fiver a lot more than I do so I may as well give it to them.

/bleeding heart

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 04:56PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

well they werent all just walkin down the road and suddenly fell on a syringe.

I know that but I'm sure they didn't set out to end up a junkie and homeless.

neil_hosey · 25-08-2012 04:57PM

A Neurotic wrote: »

Junkies or not (and I think it's absolutely retarded to assume that someone's a junkie just because they're homeless; or to think that someone "deserves" to be homeless due to addiction and isn't worthy of help) I feel that these people clearly appreciate a fiver a lot more than I do so I may as well give it to them.

/bleeding heart

im not associating one with the other. There are of course ones who arent. When i mentioned junkies, it was the general junky thing where about half the homeless i see appear off their faces. If these all ****ed off, i wouldnt mind so much i dont think.

neil_hosey · 25-08-2012 05:00PM

Culleeo wrote: »

I know that but I'm sure they didn't set out to end up a junkie and homeless.

i see where you are coming from, but if you havent the brain power to associate taking heroin (it takes a few hits to get addicted i have been told, not 1), with being a junkie, and possibly homeless, you are a fúckin idiot in my eyes. It may seem harsh, but its an annoying subject. They arent victims, they chose to do it, and it isnt a disease in my opinion.

Obviously there are exceptions to that rule regarding vulnerable individuals being pressured and so on.

B.A._Baracus · 25-08-2012 05:00PM

Culleeo wrote: »

Ah, it's only a bit of craic, this is AH, I did laugh at the reply

Maybe i am over-reacting in this thread :P
But you do see it alot on here. Alot of people just try to rip apart what ever the op says.

Sunnyisland · 25-08-2012 05:02PM

Not all junkies are homeless and not all homeless are junkies .
There are a number of things we can do to help the homeless. If you feel uncomfortable with giving money, Then why not buy them lunch or dinner.
You could always give them warmer clothes or buy them a cup of hot coffee on a cold day. Or if you want to take it futher
What about serving in a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter. If you work in an area where you see the same homeless person on a regular basis, why not stop and talk to them and listen to their story?
You might find there’s an actual person under those disheveled clothes.

Duckworth_Luas · 25-08-2012 05:07PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Maybe i am over-reacting in this thread :P
But you do see it alot on here. Alot of people just try to rip apart what ever the op says.

Except he was joking. Homeless people! Big Issue! Get it?

B.A._Baracus · 25-08-2012 05:08PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Except he was joking. Homeless people! Big Issue! Get it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q27YiPRiewg

FairytaleGirl · 25-08-2012 05:11PM

When I lived in Toronto there was a well known homeless man, he was a big laywer who went bankrupt, his wife left him and he ended up getting into drugs wile living on the streets. Everyone knew him because he wore and old beat out suit. He ended up going mental then spitting at people and all that.

Point being, you have no idea why people end up on the streets, and an awful lot of people end up turning to drugs to make being homelessness a bit more bearable. In some places once you hit the streets thats it, no address to claim benefits then and no way of getting on your feet, or there are those that are simply too proud to ask for help.

Giving them food/tea is always welcome i find.

Culleeo · 25-08-2012 05:12PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

i see where you are coming from, but if you havent the brain power to associate taking heroin (it takes a few hits to get addicted i have been told, not 1), with being a junkie, and possibly homeless, you are a fúckin idiot in my eyes. It may seem harsh, but its an annoying subject. They arent victims, they chose to do it, and it isnt a disease in my opinion.

Obviously there are exceptions to that rule regarding vulnerable individuals being pressured and so on.

I fully understand what you're saying and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do feel sorry for them, I know it takes x amount of hits to become addicted to a substance but some of these people come from a background where they know no better, they are taught no different, at the end of the day, they're still human and I'm sure the majority of them hate themselves as it is for what they've become. I feel the least I can do is get them a bite to eat or some coffee or give them a few euro, I know I don't owe them anything but that's just me though.

Mardy Bum · 25-08-2012 05:15PM

FairytaleGirl wrote: »

When I lived in Toronto there was a well known homeless man, he was a big laywer who went bankrupt, his wife left him and he ended up getting into drugs wile living on the streets. Everyone knew him because he wore and old beat out suit. He ended up going mental then spitting at people and all that.

Sounds a bit like The Corner, though that was a true story also.

FairytaleGirl · 25-08-2012 05:18PM

^Never heard of that!Wonder if its about him?There were rumours he contracted HIV and thats why he spat at people but I dunno

Mardy Bum · 25-08-2012 05:24PM

FairytaleGirl wrote: »

^Never heard of that!Wonder if its about him?There were rumours he contracted HIV and thats why he spat at people but I dunno

No its not about him but its about a similar well to do guy who fell through the cracks of society and lost everything.

Pawwed Rig · 25-08-2012 05:33PM

Culleeo wrote: »

I fully understand what you're saying and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I do feel sorry for them, I know it takes x amount of hits to become addicted to a substance but some of these people come from a background where they know no better, they are taught no different, at the end of the day, they're still human and I'm sure the majority of them hate themselves as it is for what they've become. I feel the least I can do is get them a bite to eat or some coffee or give them a few euro, I know I don't owe them anything but that's just me though.

Hang on a second. Are you trying to tell me people in Ireland don't know the effect drugs will have before taking them?
There are drugs awareness programmes in schools, there are anti drugs campaigns all over the place, many movies tell of the dangers of drugs and all anyone has to do is walk around Dublin city to see the effect drugs have on people. I don't buy the 'taught no different'. I went to school in an area that was half private/ half council houses. Many of the people who dropped out of school were not naive or stupid. They did so as they saw doing the odd bit of dealing and claiming the welfare as an easier method than studying and doing their leaving cert.
Many start using out of boredom and other issues. don'y buy that they do not know what they are getting themselves in for.

brummytom · 25-08-2012 05:46PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Hang on a second. Are you trying to tell me people in Ireland don't know the effect drugs will have before taking them?
There are drugs awareness programmes in schools, there are anti drugs campaigns all over the place, many movies tell of the dangers of drugs and all anyone has to do is walk around Dublin city to see the effect drugs have on people. I don't buy the 'taught no different'. I went to school in an area that was half private/ half council houses. Many of the people who dropped out of school were not naive or stupid. They did so as they saw doing the odd bit of dealing and claiming the welfare as an easier method than studying and doing their leaving cert.
Many start using out of boredom and other issues. don'y buy that they do not know what they are getting themselves in for.

Is this thread about drug addicts or homeless people? They're not one and the same.

Personally, yeah I'd give money to homeless people. If someone has reached the absolute pits in their life that they have to beg for change, then I think they're in more need of a quid or two than I am.

christmas2012 · 25-08-2012 05:57PM

theres a few beggars on william st and o connell st and cruises st in limerick that i dont give to purely bc they already get dole in the hostel they stay in ,so for that reason i dont give to them..i dont warrant judgement on this as like i said before some of these ''homeless'' have hostel addresses and sign on from there..

The Homeless

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