Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

nicklauski · 24-08-2012 01:33PM

magnumbud wrote: »

glad to see Fryers didnt get his move to spurs and is off to standard liege

I seen a tweet not long after he signed saying Spurs will sign him after the 2 years so they won't have to pay compensation then.

Re Wooton, I think it's a bit early for people to be saying that he could pull a Pogba/Fryers if he's not included or plays a part tomorrow.

I would like to see him play, but could understand if he doesn't (as I'm sure he can too). Fulham will be no slouches tomorrow and have made some great signings who got off to a flyer last week. Fergie may just go with experience and throw Carrick in there.

Eathrin · 24-08-2012 01:39PM

Wootton is 20 and given the circumstances it's time he gets first team action, it's unlikely he'll get many more chances so he'd be understandably pissed off if he wasn't given the nod.

Also, Wootton is a natural CB. Why play a CM or LB there instead?

Mitch Connor · 24-08-2012 01:43PM

my line up for tomorrow would be:

De Gea
Rafael-Vidic-Keane/Wooton-Evra

Cleverley-Carrick
Valencia-Rooney-Kagawa

Van Persie

Roger Sterling · 24-08-2012 01:47PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

my line up for tomorrow would be:
De Gea
Rafael-Vidic-Keane/Wooton-Evra
Cleverley-Carrick
Valencia-Rooney-Kagawa
Van Persie

Bin Rooney,shinji in the hole and Nani wide left. send rooney the message hes no longer a must pick.

Mitch Connor · 24-08-2012 01:48PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Bin Rooney,shinji in the hole and Nani wide left. send rooney the message hes no longer a must pick.

In fairness, the same message needs to go to Nani.

If I thought Welbeck could do the wide left role, I would bring him in for Rooney and play Kagawa in the 10 spot. But unsure of Danny out there and I don't, for one moment, think Rooney will be dropped tomorrow.

MagicMarker · 24-08-2012 01:52PM

Rooney shouldn't be dropped, end of story. There's only one way he's going to hit form, and it's not by dropping him.

Roger Sterling · 24-08-2012 01:54PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Rooney shouldn't be dropped, end of story. There's only one way he's going to hit form, and it's not by dropping him.

A good kick up the hole could help too. difference between this season and others is we arent over reliant on him finding form.

Roger Sterling · 24-08-2012 01:56PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

In fairness, the same message needs to go to Nani.

If I thought Welbeck could do the wide left role, I would bring him in for Rooney and play Kagawa in the 10 spot. But unsure of Danny out there and I don't, for one moment, think Rooney will be dropped tomorrow.

Id happily drop nani for young too actually.

Jame Gumb · 24-08-2012 01:56PM

nicklauski wrote: »

magnumbud wrote: »

glad to see Fryers didnt get his move to spurs and is off to standard liege

I seen a tweet not long after he signed saying Spurs will sign him after the 2 years so they won't have to pay compensation then.

Re Wooton, I think it's a bit early for people to be saying that he could pull a Pogba/Fryers if he's not included or plays a part tomorrow.

I would like to see him play, but could understand if he doesn't (as I'm sure he can too). Fulham will be no slouches tomorrow and have made some great signings who got off to a flyer last week. Fergie may just go with experience and throw Carrick in there.

I just think that if you're a 20 year old specialist centre back and your manager chooses to stick a midfielder in at centre back rather than pick you, you've every right to be p..sed off and should probably start making plans to get out of dodge.

Roger Sterling · 24-08-2012 02:01PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I just think that if you're a 20 year old specialist centre back and your manager chooses to stick a midfielder in at centre back rather than pick you, you've every right to be p..sed off and should probably start making plans to get out of dodge.

I think Wooton should start tomorrow but this idea that these newbies should be considering moving club based on not being picked for one game appalls me.whats the world coming to?

Jimmy Iovine · 24-08-2012 02:04PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I just think that if you're a 20 year old specialist centre back and your manager chooses to stick a midfielder in at centre back rather than pick you, you've every right to be p..sed off and should probably start making plans to get out of dodge.

Ah for gods sake. The chap hasn't even played a competitive game for United yet. It's up to him to prove to the management that he is ready to make the step up. If he hasn't proven it then he shouldn't play.

There is a world of difference between playing pre-season and making the step up to a league match. Bebe was very good at times during the pre-season but he'd be completely lost in a league match.

If players start to think like you suggest they should then we'd have nobody left by the end of the season.

Personally, I would like to see him play.

Jame Gumb · 24-08-2012 02:05PM

Wouldn't you be p..sed off though?

Human nature to think that you've very little chance of breaking into the first team if your manager has no centre halves except you and he opts to throw a midfielder in there.

I wouldn't be happy.

If you're the last man on Earth and the last woman on Earth decides she'd prefer to sleep with a goat, it's time to rethink life...

nicklauski · 24-08-2012 02:05PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I just think that if you're a 20 year old specialist centre back and your manager chooses to stick a midfielder in at centre back rather than pick you, you've every right to be p..sed off and should probably start making plans to get out of dodge.

Let's say it's 12 months down the line, Rio is practically finished.
That leaves Vida, Smalling, Jones, Evans and Scott at CB. (I'm probably leaving someone out

)

If then he is not getting in and around the first 11, he'd have every right to be pissed off, not now. How many CB's can claim they deserve to be starting at CB for one of the Biggest clubs in the world at 20? Not many, if any.

Jame Gumb · 24-08-2012 02:11PM

nicklauski wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I just think that if you're a 20 year old specialist centre back and your manager chooses to stick a midfielder in at centre back rather than pick you, you've every right to be p..sed off and should probably start making plans to get out of dodge.

Let's say it's 12 months down the line, Rio is practically finished.
That leaves Vida, Smalling, Jones, Evans and Scott at CB. (I'm probably leaving someone out )

If then he is not getting in and around the first 11, he'd have every right to be pissed off, not now. How many CB's can claim they deserve to be starting at CB for one of the Biggest clubs in the world at 20? Not many, if any.

Ah come on. We've an injury crisis and no centre backs. The lad's a centre back. Not playing him and sticking a midfielder in there is a slap in the face for him. If he was 17, I'd understand but he's 20. If you're a 20 year old centre back and Michael Carrick is deemed better than you in your position, you'd be entitled to assume that you're going nowhere at United.

Mikeyt086 · 24-08-2012 02:11PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Wouldn't you be p..sed off though?

Human nature to think that you've very little chance of breaking into the first team if your manager has no centre halves except you and he opts to throw a midfielder in there.

I wouldn't be happy.

If you're the last man on Earth and the last woman on Earth decides she'd prefer to sleep with a goat, it's time to rethink life...

Not really. I'd be 20, and absolutely thrilled to be learning from Vidic and Rio every day. I would accept that they are the number 1 & 2, and positions 3,4 and 5 are filled by brilliant prospects. I would know that if I stick around for a few more years I'll get a chance, if not I will not fall far as bucket loads of United cast-offs go on to make great careers for themselves in the Premiership.

But I'm not Scott Wooton.

keane2097 · 24-08-2012 02:13PM

I think it's fair enough for professional players like Rafael and Wooten to think it's a joke that they don't get picked ahead of people like Carrick and Valencia in their positiions.

It's not like Carrick and Valencia didn't get absolutely raped against Everton like.

Julez · 24-08-2012 02:14PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

In fairness, the same message needs to go to Nani.

I don't agree with this, Nani has been dropped many times, more times than Rooney. Nani knows he can and will get dropped, he needs confidence.

Jame Gumb · 24-08-2012 02:15PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Wouldn't you be p..sed off though?

Human nature to think that you've very little chance of breaking into the first team if your manager has no centre halves except you and he opts to throw a midfielder in there.

I wouldn't be happy.

If you're the last man on Earth and the last woman on Earth decides she'd prefer to sleep with a goat, it's time to rethink life...

Not really. I'd be 20, and absolutely thrilled to be learning from Vidic and Rio every day. I would accept that they are the number 1 & 2, and positions 3,4 and 5 are filled by brilliant prospects. I would know that if I stick around for a few more years I'll get a chance, if not I will not fall far as bucket loads of United cast-offs go on to make great careers for themselves in the Premiership.

But I'm not Scott Wooton.

Sorry, I don't get your post. This has nothing to do with Wooton being behind Vidic, Rio, Jones, Evan, or Smalling in the pecking order or learning his trade from more experienced players. It's the fact that we have no centre halves except Vidic and Wooton, and Fergie looks likely to choose a midfielder at centre half instead of Wooton.

I don't think that it would be unreasonable for him to be devastated and p..sed off by that.

nicklauski · 24-08-2012 02:15PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Ah come on. We've an injury crisis and no centre backs. The lad's a centre back. Not playing him and sticking a midfielder in there is a slap in the face for him. If he was 17, I'd understand but he's 20. If you're a 20 year old centre back and Michael Carrick is deemed better than you in your position, you'd be entitled to assume that you're going nowhere at United.

I've already said I would like to see Wooton start tomorrow, but given that Fulham will be no pushovers, I could understand Fergie putting Carrick back there for his experience.

Surely the lad would understand this and not get on his high horse about not being picked (after 2 games of the season!)

He has a chance to get minutes this year, these minutes will probably double next year, after that he can try nail down a spot.

DM_7 · 24-08-2012 02:15PM

Wootton is only 20 and probably expects another loan move regardless of the circumstances of Uniteds defence. I would like to see him play but not if the manager doesn't feel he is ready. At the end of the day I want SAF doing what he thinks is right for tomorrows game not playing Wootton just in case he might upset him by not playing him.

I am hopeful he will get a shot though, SAF has pulled young defenders in out of nowehere before. But I hope he gets a shot only if he is ready.

Mikeyt086 · 24-08-2012 02:18PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Sorry, I don't get your post. This has nothing to do with Wooton being behind Vidic, Rio, Jones, Evan, or Smalling in the pecking order or learning his trade from more experienced players. It's the fact that we have no centre halves except Vidic and Wooton, and Fergie looks likely to choose a midfielder at centre half instead of Wooton.

I don't think that it would be unreasonable for him to be devastated and p..sed off by that.

My point is that he is a 20 year old with absolutely no league experience.

He shouldn't be expecting anything, he should be happy to be training with the first team.

magnumbud · 24-08-2012 02:21PM

nicklauski wrote: »

I seen a tweet not long after he signed saying Spurs will sign him after the 2 years so they won't have to pay compensation then.

Re Wooton, I think it's a bit early for people to be saying that he could pull a Pogba/Fryers if he's not included or plays a part tomorrow.

I would like to see him play, but could understand if he doesn't (as I'm sure he can too). Fulham will be no slouches tomorrow and have made some great signings who got off to a flyer last week. Fergie may just go with experience and throw Carrick in there.

united wanted 6 million. he will probably end up there eventually but glad he didnt get his way.

re a youngster getting p***ed off if he doesnt get his go. its called patience. its a trait that fergies fledglings had. a trait fletch had, a trait o'shea had and a trait cleverley has. modern day young footballers p*ss me off. if im at manchester united i would do anything to stay there cause quite frankly anywhere else is a step down. if you prove to fergie that you have the talent then he will give you the chance when he thinks your are READY not when you think your ready. they should consider themselves lucky to play under someone who gives youngsters a chance. if i was in there shoes i would sign on the dotted line and ask to be sent out to a PL club for a full season so that i can PROVE that i am good enough

Owen_S · 24-08-2012 02:25PM

magnumbud wrote: »

glad to see Fryers didnt get his move to spurs and is off to standard liege

Why? Now the club misses out on millions. Unlike Pogba, Fryers was given first team opportunities despite having the likes of Evra and Fabio ahead of him in the first team. Pogba was right to be upset about not getting game-time ahead of makeshift midfielders, but Fryers had a real opportunity to make something of himself at left-back this season.

Jimmy Iovine · 24-08-2012 02:28PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Sorry, I don't get your post. This has nothing to do with Wooton being behind Vidic, Rio, Jones, Evan, or Smalling in the pecking order or learning his trade from more experienced players. It's the fact that we have no centre halves except Vidic and Wooton, and Fergie looks likely to choose a midfielder at centre half instead of Wooton.

I don't think that it would be unreasonable for him to be devastated and p..sed off by that.

He has no league experience. Carrick has played nearly 200 times for United in the league. He is vastly more experienced than Wootton in what goes on in a league match.

If this was a Carling Cup or FA Cup match then I'd be all for it, but it's not. There is too much on the line just to throw him in there for the sake of it.

He should be disappointed and use it as a motivation to get better and learn from Rio and Vidic. But to say that he should pack it in and move to a different club is beyond all realms of ridiculousness.

He's 20 and playing at one of the biggest clubs in the world and training with arguably the best centre-half in the world. Why would he move?

Roger Sterling · 24-08-2012 02:28PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I think it's fair enough for professional players like Rafael and Wooten to think it's a joke that they don't get picked ahead of people like Carrick and Valencia in their positiions.

It's not like Carrick and Valencia didn't get absolutely raped against Everton like.

I should hope theyd be annoyed yes.

Considering leaving United when theyve achieved jack sh*t in the game?F*ck right off.

DM_7 · 24-08-2012 02:31PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I think it's fair enough for professional players like Rafael and Wooten to think it's a joke that they don't get picked ahead of people like Carrick and Valencia in their positiions.

It's not like Carrick and Valencia didn't get absolutely raped against Everton like.

How is Wootton like Rafael?

On Raf - Rafael didn't have a summer break at all. He was involved in Brazil's friendlies and then the Olympics. It was not that surprising to see him left out of the first game.

Any player left out should be upset when they don't play. But they should also keep some perspective and try to make sure the next time they are under consideration that they have proved they are ready. If any player reacts by sulking and running away it proves the manager was right to not pick them as they are not the type of player he would want at United.

To make it at United as a young player - talent is not enough - you also need to prove to the manager you are mentally strong, determined and that he can rely on you to react well to set backs of any kind. Every young player has set back when they are trying to break through. If a young player reacts badly the manager will never trust him and he is destined for the exit door anyway.

Jimmy Iovine · 24-08-2012 02:33PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I think it's fair enough for professional players like Rafael and Wooten to think it's a joke that they don't get picked ahead of people like Carrick and Valencia in their positiions.

It's not like Carrick and Valencia didn't get absolutely raped against Everton like.

They were beaten because of the height of Fellaini and Everton's tactics. He is probably the only player in the league who would be able to do that. He has the height and power to do it.

I really don't think there was much that Wootton or Rafael would have been able to do against him. Fellaini was even dominating Vidic at times.

magnumbud · 24-08-2012 02:34PM

Owen_S wrote: »

Why? Now the club misses out on millions. Unlike Pogba, Fryers was given first team opportunities despite having the likes of Evra and Fabio ahead of him in the first team. Pogba was right to be upset about not getting game-time ahead of makeshift midfielders, but Fryers had a real opportunity to make something of himself at left-back this season.

im not gonna cry about 6 million but happy to see the lad couldnt just get his way. players have too much power nowadays.

on pogba did he not get 7 appearances in the first team last year? and was getting on the bench every week until it became clear he was not gonna sign a contract. who are you gonna play two loyal and EXPERIENCED players like park and rafeal or a punk who thinks he can determine when he is ready? for me i would play de gea in CM before i would have played Pogba with him acting like that. if he had signed a contract he probably would have got played then and this season he either would have been sent on a season long loan to a PL team to get used to playing week in week out or he would have got his chance at united. fergie spoke so highly of him it P*ssed me off that he acted this way and at EIGHTEEN couldnt have been patient and would have eventually been a star at united. not many players in there debut season with the first team at 18 get many more games than the amount he got

magnumbud · 24-08-2012 02:36PM

an a side note when rafeal and valencia start getting games together down the right it will be another 2 and 7 combination hope its a successful as before :-D

keane2097 · 24-08-2012 02:38PM

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

They were beaten because of the height of Fellaini and Everton's tactics. He is probably the only player in the league who would be able to do that. He has the height and power to do it.

I really don't think there was much that Wootton or Rafael would have been able to do against him. Fellaini was even dominating Vidic at times.

Didn't Fulham destroy us with Carrick at centre half the year before last?

lol at Fellaini being the only player in the EPL who would destroy Carrick at centre half, keep taking the pills. Every striker in the league will be licking their chops at coming up against him whether they're small, medium or large.

Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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