Sexual Desire. Genetic or ?

jill_valentine · 24-08-2012 12:19AM

Lantus wrote: »

We learn values like these from our parents, peers, friends and society at large. The concept of a certain shape of person being attractive is taught to us so that we come to believe it and actively seek it out.

Er. Do you think gay people learn to be attracted to members of their own sex from their overwhelmingly straight surroundings? Do you know that gay people tend to find different things attractive about possible partners than straight people of the opposite gender do? That's not something that's learned.

Sexual orientation/desire is a totally different ballgame to a political persuasion. Yes, there is strong environmental influence involved in shaping what somebody's aesthetic "ideal" is, but that only goes so far.

Turpentine · 24-08-2012 12:20AM

PC CDROM wrote: »

You are born that way?

Your senses and everything around you lead you a sexuality? I.E. Childhood.

I go for option 2. You are what you are due to everything around you influencing you.

racist? Young white person in south africa in the 80's?

1

or

2

?

I believe the word you're looking for is "racy".

pragmatic1 · 24-08-2012 12:29AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Would you extend that belief to cover the decisions and desires that adults show in areas other than sexual feelings?

Yes. I think our genetics/biology controls us to a much greater extent than we'd like to admit.

EoghanIRL · 24-08-2012 12:29AM

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ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 12:34AM

Odysseus wrote: »

Sexual desire and the one's sexual position are devoplemental

???????????

1ZRed · 24-08-2012 12:36AM

Very much genetic and only slightly environmental. I knew what I was attracted to before puberty and that was girls. I always had a curiousity about guys but I didn't think anything of it because it was so small and insignificant.
But as I got older and got through puberty, I started to become more attracted to men and less so to women until I was actually genuinely bisexual and then, for the most part, gay.

It's kind of a funny turn around because I see myself as gay now with a slight sexual attraction to women whereas I was straight with a slight attraction to men. This is still genetic and just a play out to what I was born and hard wired into. It's only the hormones during puberty that brought it out.

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 12:39AM

sigh.

mind you, if we did ever resolve the nature / nurture debate, we might just become God.

and we all know what that means....

yup. i'm looking at you Eve....

steddyeddy · 24-08-2012 12:40AM

I think fetishs were thought to be a result of some early childhood experience. EG spanking fetish (never understood that) could have come from spanking in childhood.

Johro · 24-08-2012 12:46AM

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

My parents are racist, homophobic, they both have terrible table manners & they love nothing more than to begrudge people.

I'm so far removed from their beliefs & way of life that they often wonder where they got me out of.

Good for you.

I sometimes wonder whether I was adopted.

MarkHitide · 24-08-2012 12:57AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think fetishs were thought to be a result of some early childhood experience. EG spanking fetish (never understood that) could have come from spanking in childhood.

Desmond Morris came to the same conclusion, that childhood physio/sexual experiences could lead to fetishism. However, they do not define sexuality. They are merely an aspect of it

marshbaboon · 24-08-2012 12:59AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think fetishs were thought to be a result of some early childhood experience. EG spanking fetish (never understood that) could have come from spanking in childhood.

Girls that have daddy issues are generally the wildest is my experience.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2012 01:06AM

marshbaboon wrote: »

Girls that have daddy issues are generally the wildest is my experience.

Well according to Frued every girl secretly wants her daddy :S (Frued was a cocaine addict though so how much we can trust is academic!).

steddyeddy · 24-08-2012 01:06AM

MarkHitide wrote: »

Desmond Morris came to the same conclusion, that childhood physio/sexual experiences could lead to fetishism. However, they do not define sexuality. They are merely an aspect of it

The naked ape is a great book!

jill_valentine · 24-08-2012 01:11AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well according to Frued every girl secretly wants her daddy :S (Frued was a cocaine addict though so how much we can trust is academic!).

Freud has been almost entirely debunked. Guy was a knob-obsessed cokehound who drew squiggly lines between unrelated things, called it a pattern, and decided he was a genius.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2012 01:12AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Freud has been almost entirely debunked. Guy was a knob-obsessed cokehound who drew squiggly lines between unrelated things, called it a pattern, and decided he was a genius.

I agree I much rather Carl Jung anyway!

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:18AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Freud has been almost entirely debunked. Guy was a knob-obsessed cokehound who drew squiggly lines between unrelated things, called it a pattern, and decided he was a genius.

Well Freud briefly slept in a bunk, AFAIK.

other than that, you're talking nonsense.

Still, no harm...its late, yada yada etc

Mardy Bum · 24-08-2012 01:26AM

Odysseus wrote: »

Sexual desire and the one's sexual position are devoplemental

There is a Freudian/Lacanian view if ever I heard it.

Tbh I was of the same opinion a while back but it is patently obvious that sexual desire is genetic from numerous scientific studies.

Mardy Bum · 24-08-2012 01:27AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I agree I much rather Carl Jung anyway!

Jung was even more wrong. Stick with evolutionary psychology.

marshbaboon · 24-08-2012 01:29AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well according to Frued every girl secretly wants her daddy :S (Frued was a cocaine addict though so how much we can trust is academic!).

I think he was on to something.....

jill_valentine · 24-08-2012 01:29AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

Well Freud briefly slept in a bunk, AFAIK.

other than that, you're talking nonsense.

Still, no harm...its late, yada yada etc

wat?

steddyeddy · 24-08-2012 01:33AM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Jung was even more wrong. Stick with evolutionary psychology.

I think Jung's principles have roots in evolutionary psychology! Thats just my opinion though and an old zoology lecturer I had.

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:35AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

wat?

I said,

Well Freud briefly slept in a bunk, AFAIK.

other than that, you're talking nonsense.

Still, no harm...its late, yada yada etc

dats wat.

pragmatic1 · 24-08-2012 01:37AM

ArtSmart wrote: »

I said,

Well Freud briefly slept in a bunk, AFAIK.

other than that, you're talking nonsense.

Still, no harm...its late, yada yada etc

dats wat.

Wut?

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:37AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think Jung's principles have roots in evolutionary psychology! Thats just my opinion though and an old zoology lecturer I had.

you mean visa versa.

possibly, as he did postulate 'bout the 'collective unconscious' which might be offered as a description of genetic traces. might.

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:38AM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Wut?

wut wut wut?

opinion guy · 24-08-2012 01:45AM

In summary they were all nuts.

BF Skinner and operant conditioning is where it's at

WhimSock · 24-08-2012 01:47AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

My niece, who is four doesn't like black people. Her parents aren't racist & there's nowhere really she would have picked it from but she still doesn't like them for some reason.

Young kids pick all kinds of weird things to have beef with. I hated everyone with glasses for example.

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:48AM

MarkHitide wrote: »

Aren't Jung's ideas essentially Nietszthien (I'm guessing the spelling as much as anything else) with flowery
happensatance included?

No.

opinion guy wrote: »

In summary they were all nuts.

BF Skinner and operant conditioning is where it's at

yeah, big fan of BF, but he was a bit narrow himself.

wud like to see him and Jung chuggin a few, getting funky, with maybe Marx, Ghandi and Chomsky crashing the party

ArtSmart · 24-08-2012 01:50AM

WhimSock wrote: »

Young kids pick all kinds of weird things to have beef with. I hated everyone with glasses for example.

well that's sounds reasonable tbh...

(wait, does that include the librarian with glasses turned sex goddess?

Rigol · 24-08-2012 01:54AM

A little bit of 1, a little bit of 2.

For the genetics just look to the likes of Chris Crocker (leave Britney alone) ... the androgenus shape and gestures. The mincing walk, the hand gestures. Not every gay guy is like that but I'd bet if you were to take a bunch of camp guys and do an survey or experiment (maybe put them all in a group shower and minus those who leg it) you'd find a greater number of happy campers are gay than a non camp test group.

Also, I don't know if its hardwired into womens brains but as with other species women tend to make a clean domestic area for raising the kids, they're generally tidy both in their personal hygiene and their living area.....more than men who are generally correctly typecast as smelly and messy bastards.

This same tendency is also a common cliche for the gay guy, they've got a rep for dressing better than straight guys and having interests in all things interior decorating. Fabulous antiques etc.

Given these two things and their preference for the cock, again like women, theres a strong indication that genetics is the deciding factor.

yes cliches ... but those cliches exist for a reason.

(noticeable strong interest in social status, gossip and fame also...but ranted enough already)

Sexual Desire. Genetic or ?

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