Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:19PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Who do you support and where do you live?

Because if I can love a club from Manchester (a long way away from here) then surely I can just as easily despise a club and its supporters that are based a long way away from here too. On is no more or less ludicrous than the other.

Pretty irrelevant who I support and where I live to be honest.
You are the one coming from the position of hatrid and indeed love of a business whose base is most likely nowhere near where you are from.

It's grand to call youself a supporter of a club and to wish the best to the players of that club and indeed hope they win as much as they can, but to "hate" another club for absolutely no reason that wummery is just rather foolish in my opinion.
What did Liverpool football club ever do to you and your family?

davemckenna25 · 22-08-2012 02:19PM

bullvine wrote: »

I am actually starting to think this place has become full of trolls, how anybody can think losing to Barca was worse than Agueros last minute winner.

The last month has been hell, the clip comes on Sky Sports News the hole time and I feel sick with the sight of it. I can't actually watch sky at the moment because of it.

Have to agree.
The clip of Aguero was extremely hard to watch, often changed the channel myself when i seen it start.
I also think that the Prem is more important to win than the CL, I'd rather the prem every year.
It would be different if we were finding it easy in the prem, then i could understand the main desire to win the CL, but the desire to put Man City back in their place is the most important at the moment.
Lets establish ourselves as the best in England first, then we can see about europe!

Drumpot · 22-08-2012 02:19PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Homer thinks that what he feels should be what everyone else should feel too. Wow.

Or maybe he just feels strongly about a particular point that many (if not most) United fans share regarding the importance of the league over champions league . .

Leiva · 22-08-2012 02:21PM

Des wrote: »

This thread has jumped the shark.

Sussshh leave it .

<insert annoying eating popcorn .gif here>

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:24PM

kippy wrote: »

Pretty irrelevant who I support and where I live to be honest.
You are the one coming from the position of hatrid and indeed love of a business whose base is most likely nowhere near where you are from.

Of course its relevant. You take issue wuith someone not living in a town but despising their rival club. If you yourself support a club from outside your hometown then you're plainly a bit of a hypocrite.

It's grand to call youself a supporter of a club and to wish the best to the players of that club and indeed hope they win as much as they can, but to "hate" another club for absolutely no reason that wummery is just rather foolish in my opinion.
What did Liverpool football club ever do to you and your family?

I didn't realise my family had to be endangered for me to have strong feelings of dislike or hatred for them! When did this rule come in? Must've missed the memo.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:26PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Or maybe he just feels strongly about a particular point that many (if not most) United fans share regarding the importance of the league over champions league . .

He can feel strongly all he likes its the way he assumes that just because he gets really emotive about something that it must be correct and everyone else must share the same opinion. He seems to think there's a right and a wrong answer here in a matter that is very much down to the opinion and preference of the individual. Bizarre.

bullvine · 22-08-2012 02:27PM

No defeat in the champions league will ever come close to the devastation and terror I felt after losing to Fulham in 2009 the week after the 4-1 Liverpool defeat. The fear that I had from united been 10 points clear down to 4, I dont ever want to go through that again.

J. Marston · 22-08-2012 02:28PM

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Wembley in 2011 hurt me more than the final day of last season.

I went into the CL final full of hope, only to see the team that I love humiliated.

I went into the Sunderland vs United / City vs QPR games not feeling full of hope at all, so the end result didn't hurt me as much.

2011 didn't hurt me. I was pissed off for a day maybe but we were humbled and couldn't have done a whole to change that against those super talented midgets.

The end of last season hurt like a swift kick to the balls, which was repeated over the summer with Martin Tyler's ''AggggUUUUEERRRROOOOooooo'' on the Sky ads.

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:28PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Why are some of you people so against conflicting views on Utd? Aren't Utd open to criticism? In my lifetime I've experienced so many fantastic Utd sides, people you'd pay money to see. The current team has very few (with the exceptions I've mentioned). Gone are the days of Ronaldo, Beckham, Keane, Eric, the list goes on. Would I get excited about going to watch Danny Welbeck? No.

You're just getting older tbh.
You probably grew up "looking up" to players like Keane, Beckham etc and probably held an opinion that they were gods.
As you get older, these players get older, retire, move on etc and you also get older and sometimes move on, change you opinions of the importance of football etc.
It's much more difficult coming from an older persepective to give these "young" up and coming players any credit or some credit.
Danny Welbeck at 21 is a far better prospect that Eric Cantona was at the same age. Indeed United have a lot of very exciting young players on their books, it's just probably that bit harder to get excited about them mainly because you yourself have moved on.

Talk to a 12-20 year old United fan and they'd gladly pay to see this team play.

Jame Gumb · 22-08-2012 02:29PM

Just An Opinion wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

Wembley in 2011 hurt me more than the final day of last season.

I went into the CL final full of hope, only to see the team that I love humiliated.

I went into the Sunderland vs United / City vs QPR games not feeling full of hope at all, so the end result didn't hurt me as much.

Even though we were seconds from pulling off the unlikely? Was your hopes not brought up then? I know the CL defeats to Barcelona were hard to watch but when your outclassed your outclassed I find it much harder to lose in such closer margins.

Goal difference in stoppage time hurts alot more than a better team convincingly beating you on the day.

This thread can be incredible alright - Someone can be accused of trolling because the loss to Barca affected them more.

I was already resigned to City winning the League. Yes the "AGUEROOOO!" stuff was and is painful but I was already prepared for them to win the title. Plus, for me, their league win is contaminated by Sheikh Mansour's nonsensical "investment". Plus, despite all their investment, we're still better in my view and ultimately f..ked it away ourselves.

But the Barca thing...to have that much hope and then to see United humilated (in the flesh). I was gutted after Wembley in 2011, and if people have an issue with that...well to be honest, I couldn't give a f..k

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:29PM

J. Marston wrote: »

2011 didn't hurt me. I was pissed off for a day maybe but we were humbled and couldn't have done a whole to change that against those super talented midgets.

The end of last season hurt like a swift kick to the balls, which was repeated over the summer with Martin Tyler's ''AggggUUUUEERRRROOOOooooo'' on the Sky ads.

If it had been a last gasp winner that had beaten us like the way we beat Munich in 99 you'd have been hurting a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot longer I'd imagine.

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:31PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Of course its relevant. You take issue wuith someone not living in a town but despising their rival club. If you yourself support a club from outside your hometown then you're plainly a bit of a hypocrite.

I didn't realise my family had to be endangered for me to have strong feelings of dislike or hatred for them! When did this rule come in? Must've missed the memo.

It's not at all relevant.
Again, you are using the term Hate, I don't hate any football club or fans of any football club for the sole reason that they are a fan of that club.
I find it strange that ANYONE would use such a strong word as hate/despise when discussing a football clud or it's fans unless that club or it's agents had harmed you in some way.
Just to try and bring you back down to earth, you might want to review what hatred actually means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred

TheDoc · 22-08-2012 02:34PM

bullvine wrote: »

I am actually starting to think this place has become full of trolls, how anybody can think losing to Barca was worse than Agueros last minute winner.

The last month has been hell, the clip comes on Sky Sports News the hole time and I feel sick with the sight of it. I can't actually watch sky at the moment because of it.

It was the ultimate torture.

Everyone accepted defeat at the start of the day. Lets get it over with, its done.

The fact we were actually less then 5 seconds away from winning it in the most dramatic ways. I had hope, everyone had hope.

I will never forget it, was watching with my father and grandfather. Hope built up as the minutes went by. I was 100% convinced we had it. Even when Dzeko scored I said it was fine.

Then it happened, I was distraught and absolutely devastated. It was fantastic way for the league to end, for the neutrals, and for city. I've never experienced anything that memory that was more crushing.

And I'll never forgive that QPR defender, whose name I cant even recall he is such a nobody. Who 5 minutes earlier would have slide tackled and cleared the ball, but because they were safe didnt bother doing anything. I'll never forgive him either.

I know we are all about opinions, but is anyone ACTUALLY going to say there was something more gut wrenching and devastating...really?

J. Marston · 22-08-2012 02:35PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

If it had been a last gasp winner that had beaten us like the way we beat Munich in 99 you'd have been hurting a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot longer I'd imagine.

Well...obviously.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:35PM

kippy wrote: »

It's not at all relevant.
Again, you are using the term Hate, I don't hate any football club or fans of any football club for the sole reason that they are a fan of that club.
I find it strange that ANYONE would use such a strong word as hate/despise when discussing a football clud or it's fans unless that club or it's agents had harmed you in some way.
Just to try and bring you back down to earth, you might want to review what hatred actually means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred

So really you don't really mind where I live or come from and you have more of an issue with me saying I hate a particular club. Sound.

Makes me wonder why you went down that silly well trodden road at all in the first place though.

As for your objections to my hatred of them, well I'll file them in the drawer labelled "couldn't give a sh*te."

If more people just said what they thought about opposition clubs instead of hiding behind snide remarks and veiled digs designed to rile others and if other people accepted that there are people that despise them and their club then this forum would take a major step forward IMO and we could all get on with our discussion.

alchemist33 · 22-08-2012 02:36PM

Just An Opinion wrote: »

Even though we were seconds from pulling off the unlikely? Was your hopes not brought up then? I know the CL defeats to Barcelona were hard to watch but when your outclassed your outclassed I find it much harder to lose in such closer margins.

Goal difference in stoppage time hurts alot more than a better team convincingly beating you on the day.

Both hurt. But the Barca defeats were humilitaions on the world stage. At least in the PL last year, we can say the team gave it their all and came up just short.

keane2097 · 22-08-2012 02:37PM

Hatred over soccer is pretty retarded, let's be honest.

Giggsy11 · 22-08-2012 02:38PM

Sacramento wrote: »

Man Utd Scout surprised by Buttner deal

"I would place him behind Jetro Willems(PSV)."
.

Other source says:

“But I must also say that I would have taken the boy to the European Championships, if I had been coach. I find him better than Jetro Willems, for example.”

http://www.footballgossip.org.uk/index.php/2012/08/21/manchester-united-transfer-news-and-rumours-tuesday-21-august/

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:39PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

So really you don't really mind where I live or come from and you have more of an issue with me saying I hate a particular club. Sound.

Makes me wonder why you went down that silly well trodden road at all in the first place though.

As for your obhections to my hatred of them, well I'll file them in the drawer labelled "couldn't give a sh*te."

If more people just said what they thought about opposition clubs instead of hiding behind snide remarks and veiled digs designed to rile others and if other people accepted that there are people that despise them and their club then this forum would take a major step forward IMO and we could all get on with our discussion.

You are the one with "hatred" of opposition clubs and fans. This is what I find strange, and that is why where you come from/live is relevant. It's relevant because perhaps this club did something to you or your family and you genuinely have a reason to "hate" them.

Love and hate are two very strong words and to use them in the context of supporting a football club is, in my opinion, trying to come over as the "ultimate" fan.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:39PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Hatred over soccer is pretty retarded, let's be honest.

I hate a lot of things.

LFC and their fans.

Kilkenny hurlers.

Bad drivers.

Sh*t music.

People who take all day to pay for something in the shop.

People who don't wipe down the equipment in the gym.

Maybe I'm just a needlessly angry man.:pac:

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:40PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I hate a lot of things.

LFC and their fans.

Kilkenny hurlers.

Bad drivers.

Sh*t music.

People who take all day to pay for something in the shop.

People who don't wipe down the equipment in the gym.

Maybe I'm just a needlessly angry man.:pac:

You must find it exceptionally hard to get through the day without getting a heart attack.
Chill out.

Jame Gumb · 22-08-2012 02:40PM

kippy wrote: »

You're just getting older tbh. You probably grew up "looking up" to players like Keane, Beckham etc and probably held an opinion that they were gods. As you get older, these players get older, retire, move on etc and you also get older and sometimes move on, change you opinions of the importance of football etc. It's much more difficult coming from an older persepective to give these "young" up and coming players any credit or some credit. Danny Welbeck at 21 is a far better prospect that Eric Cantona was at the same age. Indeed United have a lot of very exciting young players on their books, it's just probably that bit harder to get excited about them mainly because you yourself have moved on.

Possibly the best point I've ever seen made on these pages.

Bravo.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:41PM

kippy wrote: »

You are the one with "hatred" of opposition clubs and fans. This is what I find strange, and that is why where you come from/live is relevant. It's relevant because perhaps this club did something to you or your family and you genuinely have a reason to "hate" them.

Love and hate are two very strong words and to use them in the context of supporting a football club is, in my opinion, trying to come over as the "ultimate" fan.

You're just getting offended at the use of a word such as hate.

I hate that you think that way.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:43PM

kippy wrote: »

You must find it exceptionally hard to get through the day without getting a heart attack.
Chill out.

I don't bottle it all up you see so I'm fine.

Its the ones who sit on their feelings and never let any of it out you have to worry about.

I'm perfectly happy and comfortable in my stance.

kippy · 22-08-2012 02:43PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

You're just getting offended at the use of a word such as hate.

I hate that you think that way.

I'm not offended. I just find it very strange that people throw those words around without realising what they mean and use them without any cause.

Roger Sterling · 22-08-2012 02:47PM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not offended. I just find it very strange that people throw those words around without realising what they mean and use them without any cause.

Maybe you should just relax a little and realise that most words have meanings besides their most literal dictionary definition. I could say despise or "dislike heartily" but I prefer to say hate. Doesn't mean my family has been killed by Scousers or anything like that.

I doubt you make such a song and dance everytime someone declares their love for a particular team.

Kylo Ren · 22-08-2012 02:49PM

Delighted he has signed.

5 Beautiful Danny Welbeck Moments

1. Assist v Spurs

2. Goal v Everton

3. Link play for Rooney Goal v Everton

4. Touch v Aston Villa

5. Skill in build up to Hernandez Goal v Wolves

Drumpot · 22-08-2012 02:49PM

Roger Sterling wrote: »

He can feel strongly all he likes its the way he assumes that just because he gets really emotive about something that it must be correct and everyone else must share the same opinion. He seems to think there's a right and a wrong answer here in a matter that is very much down to the opinion and preference of the individual. Bizarre.

Thats a fair point Roger, but there is seldom a right or wrong way in football discussions. Just two sides trying to "one up" the other with personal views . .

I understand why the CL would be more important to others, but even though there have been seasons when I got a little too used to winning the league (take it for granted) and really wanted to win the CL, I still, deep down, knew that the league was the most important thing (to me anyway).

The 1993 game v Sheffield weds will always be a fond memory for me . . It was on rte's delayed live coverage at the time . . Since there was no mobile phones, or instant information available, I watched the entire game without finding out the score . . That was a special moment for me as a fan and has ended up defining United under Fergie (play until the final whistle).

The reason some people might call the "CL favoured fans" young is because its rational (but not always correct or fair) to assume that fans that were around before united dominated the league, can still appreciate what it was like watching Liverpool dominate english football and appreciate the amazing feat that dominating english football is. Its condescending and pretentious, but its a huge part of the "banter" of football.

Ive been supporting United since the late 80s yet still feel the need to let people know this fact (when it shouldnt matter if people think Im a gloryhunter or not). . .

Incidentally on the post of rivalrys. I dont specifically hate LFC, but in particular I find their misguided over confident arrogant fans in Ireland extremely annoying . They are like the ugly kid in school with a social confidence not befitting his appearance. I am surrounded by so many of them its hard not to harbour a grudge against the team . .

That aside, they always raise their game for United, irrespective of how good/bad their team is and I cant forget 1991-92 when they beat us 2-0 and celebrated like the won the league (they just took immense satisfaction out of pretty much finishing off any chance we had in the league, even though united hadnt won it since the 60s). Lets not also forget the time ince equalised in injury time in the 2-2 draw at anfield, again they celebrated like they won the league . . They just really get up my nose . .

22-08-2012 02:54PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Other source says:

http://www.footballgossip.org.uk/index.php/2012/08/21/manchester-united-transfer-news-and-rumours-tuesday-21-august/

Wow, well that's confusing...

Owen_S · 22-08-2012 02:56PM

Welbeck's finest moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9SOUOiNHQ

Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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