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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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  • #3092
    aperture_nuig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭aperture_nuig


    Why not both? :D


  • #3093
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Bombleswizzum wrote: »
    Premier League is always priority for me, only just though.

    CL is a bit of a lottery tbh. You can prefer it over the premiership but i don't think you can really focus on it.

    If you've a squad good enough to compete for he premiership each year, then the CL will come sooner or later.


  • #3094
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    The League is won by the best team. You need a massive amount of luck to win The Champions league, the best team has not always won the Champions league. If it was the old format it would be more accurate.


  • #3095
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    DM-ICE wrote: »
    Jame Gumb wrote: »

    Is that directed at me?

    I'm not criticising them for looking back at the past fondly or for believing in their team.

    I'm criticising them for believing that they are the biggest club in England and that they are as "relevant" as they were in the 1980s. They're clearly not, and there's a difference between hoping for something unlikely to occur and believing that it will occur.

    I genuinely believe that they will never win the league title again in my lifetime. But if you say it to a Liverpool fan, they'll look at you like you've 4 heads. Passion and belief are fine but common sense has to play a part too.

    It is, and you are crticising them for believing in their team and looking back at the past fondly.

    you actually say that when you talk about a differance between hope and belief.

    Liverpool are a top six team. Winning is, in theory, not that far away, it is the natural step for them to aim towards champions league qualification and then Premier League titles. If they were in the Championship or even fighting relegation, had no money, few internationals with big teams then yes the beliefs of success would be illogical. The day the club and fans lose belief and hope is the day they will slip out of any relevance and I don't think its something that will ever happen because they still have ambition.

    to not share in their belief that is reasonable. To give it as a reason for dislike is illogical to me when the person using the reasoning is a United fan and should be aware of the unsuccessful year's United fans went through with only hope, belief and ambition to cling onto.
    Awh come on though dude they still think that players like sahin shouldgo to them instead of arsenal . Like they reckon players that dont chose them are idiots.


  • #3096
    Mikeyt086
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    How can you not be excited that Danny Welbeck has signed a new contract?

    I would be very suspicious about anyone who doesn't see the potential that he has as a 21 year old striker in the Premier League. 21. 21 years of age. Most strikers are delighted to be playing for the U-21's at that age. Danny was one of his countries positives coming out of a European Championship. His build up play is like nobody else in his age bracket, people say he can't finish, but look at the goal he scored vs Everton, unreal, the flick for England against Sweden, unreal, the absolute SCREAMER he scored on his debut when he looked 14. He CAN finish, he just needs to find consistency in his finishing before he becomes one seriously dangerous player. And does he have time to find that conisistency? Yes. He is 21.


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  • #3097
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    Des wrote: »
    Premier League is bread and butter, anyone who says they'd prefer the CL over the EPL is a spoiled baby.

    No they just have ambitions befitting a club of United's stature.

    My greatest memories as a Utd fan are CL wins. Its the absolute pinnacle. As keano said most Utd fans put it the other way round because our record in Europe isn't what it should be.


  • #3098
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    bullvine wrote: »
    The League is won by the best team. You need a massive amount of luck to win The Champions league, the best team has not always won the Champions league. If it was the old format it would be more accurate.
    It should called the Champions Cup as you don't have to beat all the other teams in it to win the trophy


  • #3099
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    That's a very odd statement.

    Why?

    Winning the Premier League should be the priority every season. Not winning it means you are not as good as you were when you did win it.

    The Champions League is still a knock out cup competition in it's later rounds, anything can happen in cup games, as a certain club up the road proved. Lucky draw, freak result, small two week injury to a key player, one bad referee decision (as happened to United, Scholes wasn't offside one year).

    the spoilt baby comes from the fact that many of the younger generation of fans, like yourself, are so used to success that winning the league has become kind of meaningless, and the CL becomes the main priority, it's stupid.

    Any Liverpool fan will tell you, they'd take your arm off for a league win.

    They used to be like United you know, winning a league every year or two. Look at them now.

    The odd CL, but no league. You'd rather that?


  • #3100
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Roger Sterling wrote: »
    I absolutely depise them and always have. It seems to be a sin on this forum to say what you really think about our club's rivals (within the confines of abuse and the charter obviously). Too many people talking out of the sides of their mouths pretending to be "above" club rivalries while throwing in the odd subtle little dig into match threads. Boll*x to that. That shower lorded it over everyone for decades and now they're finally getting their comeuppance. Their decline into mediocrity is an endless source of amusement. No doubt I'll be labelled "obsessed" or "bitter" but privately I'd say every football fan thinks the same of their club's rivals and celebrates their defeats with as much enthusiaism they celebrate their own club's wins. It just seems on this forum being two faced about the whole thing is more laudable than simply being honest about the most natural thing in the world - hating your rivals.



    lol. This explains why you post in the Liverpool thread so often then.


  • #3101
    Just An Opinion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Just An Opinion


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    Would you lads prefer to see United win the Premiership or the Champions League?

    Champions League for me.

    We could certainly do with a few more CL titles and how brilliant that would be, (I really crave another 3) but I honestly believe winning the EPL is priority as this is where your main rivals are, beating them to a league title after competing week in week out for 9 months is what sets it apart for me.

    Actually just give me 3 more EPL, CL doubles and I'll be content for a while how's that? ;-)


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  • #3102
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    That's a very odd statement.

    no its not, for me the answer is simple - i want us to win the league first, especially right now.

    the champions league is a bonus, something that comes along now and then. or ill put it to you another way, i can handle the fact that Chelsea are Champions league winners, but City having our trophy, bugs the s*it out of me.

    the league is the aim this year, everything else comes second. i actually canont believe right now, that any united fan would take a CL over the league, as des pointed out, it reeks of spoilt baby syndrome. or even obsession with liverpool and their 5 titles and looking to better them.

    the league, is where its at, if your not champion of your own country, youve got f*ck all to be honest.


  • #3103
    nicklauski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭nicklauski


    The league is & should be the main priority every year for the club.
    Followed by the Champions League (closely), FA Cup (jesus I'd love United to win it again, been too long) and the Capitol One Cup or whatever they have it called now.


  • #3104
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    lol. This explains why you post in the Liverpool thread so often then.

    Yawn, standard boards.ie socer forum response. You're "obsessed." You're "bitter." You say it like its a bad thing to despise your footballing rivals

    I despise most politicians but I can still discuss politics with the best of them.


  • #3105
    Jax Teller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    Premier League for me too . Doesn't make sense that you can finish 5th in your league and still be the so called best team Europe .


  • #3106
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Should do away with the knockout stages for the champions of England, Spain, Italy and Germany and let them in at the quarter finals with a bye against the remaining qualifiers from the group stage.

    The champions should have a major advantage for being champions and they dont.

    Never work though, money talks at the end of the day.


  • #3107
    _blank_
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    bullvine wrote: »
    Should do away with the knockout stages for the champions of England, Spain, Italy and Germany and let them in at the quarter finals with a bye against the remaining qualifiers from the group stage.

    The champions should have a major advantage for being champions and they dont.

    Never work though, money talks at the end of the day.

    ha yeah, the United wouldn't have to suffer the ignominy of going out to some Swiss no-marks, yeah?


  • #3108
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Allthough they wont admit it, I'd argue that most liverpool fans would give up the 2005 CL win for the Prem Title in 09


  • #3109
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Des wrote: »
    ha yeah, the United wouldn't have to suffer the ignominy of going out to some Swiss no-marks, yeah?

    Totally, you got me!

    You understand what I mean though, the likes of Real, City, Juve, Dortmund should some extra advantage for winning their league this year.


  • #3110
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    bullvine wrote: »
    Should do away with the knockout stages for the champions of England, Spain, Italy and Germany and let them in at the quarter finals with a bye against the remaining qualifiers from the group stage.

    The champions should have a major advantage for being champions and they dont.

    Never work though, money talks at the end of the day.

    It's dominated by clubs from those countries anyway. There is absolutely no reason to make it easier for them.


  • #3111
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    greendom wrote: »
    It's dominated by clubs from those countries anyway. There is absolutely no reason to make it easier for them.

    I'd love it tbh.:pac:


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  • #3112
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    jesus christ, i would expect that if 1000 united fans were asked about winning the league or Cl, that all 1000 of them would pick the league.

    its not even up for f8cking debate this, it really isnt. i couldnt give 2 f*cks who wins europe this year, as long as it meant we won the league. getting to a semi and keep the balance books ticking over, with the league trophy back where it belongs will do me nicely this year, with good, attacking football played.


  • #3113
    Jame Gumb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Jame Gumb


    Des wrote: »
    Lucky draw, freak result, small two week injury to a key player, one bad referee decision (as happened to United, Scholes wasn't offside one year).

    the spoilt baby comes from the fact that many of the younger generation of fans, like yourself, are so used to success that winning the league has become kind of meaningless

    Dude, I grew up supporting United when they weren't successful. In our street and park games I was Robbo in a sea of Ian Rushes and John Barnes's. Everywhere you looked, you saw "Crown Paints" and "Candy". When you've experienced the bad times, you appreciate the good. And for me, Barcelona and Moscow are the highlights. Of course in a practical sense you should set out with the primary aim of winning the title. However, given the choice, I would take a Champions League win over a league win. And I think that calling someone who thinks that a "spoilt baby" is beyond the Pale TBH.


  • #3114
    Felexicon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Premier League is the trophy we should be setting our sights on every season. If we get a good run in the Champions league well and good. I'm never really gutted when we go out of the CL but my heart sank when Aguero scored against QPR


  • #3115
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    jesus christ, i would expect that if 1000 united fans were asked about winning the league or Cl, that all 1000 of them would pick the league.

    its not even up for f8cking debate this, it really isnt. i couldnt give 2 f*cks who wins europe this year, as long as it meant we won the league. getting to a semi and keep the balance books ticking over, with the league trophy back where it belongs will do me nicely this year, with good, attacking football played.

    Clearly you're wrong when more than one person in the past couple of pages alone has said they'd prefer CL success.

    Given that there's nowhere near 1000 posters in those few pages I'd say its very much up for debate.

    Love how something that is very much up to the opinion of the individual isn't for debate. At all. Cool!


  • #3116
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    The CL means more to the vast majority of United fans. You can make all the points about it being a lottery and luck and bread/butter etc, and they're all valid. Doesn't matter. The Nou Camp and Moscow means far more to most fans that any league triumph, bar maybe 94. The losses to barca hurt more than the loss to City in the decider last year. And theyre our enemies.

    You all remember the champions of England, champions of Europe chant? While line was always louder?

    And there's no need for definitive proof on this point as always seems to be required on forums. It's common knowledge, simple as


  • #3117
    Owen_S
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    Paul Tergat wrote: »
    What a ludicrous proposition.

    One should not, nae, one MUST not confine Bebe to just one position. He's a peacock, you gotta let him fly!
    One thing is for sure: Fellaini would have had a quiet night if Bebe was marking him.


  • #3118
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,141 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Des wrote: »
    Premier League is bread and butter, anyone who says they'd prefer the CL over the EPL is a spoiled baby.

    I'm with you on this one.

    While obviously it is nice to win the CL, you cannot outweight going through 30+ games in a season and being crowned champions.

    There is alot of cannon fodder in the CL to be fair, hence why failing to qualify is a disaster. But you can also get done over with poor decisions, moment dip in form etc.

    Being crowned domestic champions should hold alot more water then the Champions League. I still call Liverpools victory the biggest capitulation by a team in the history of football, on the part of AC Milan.

    Especially with the way the league is hotting up with so many contenders now, its the EPL for me all the way. Chelsea's victory last season pretty much summed up my feelings on the CL as a whole.

    Absolutely love watching it, great spectacle, but every few years you get a random team winning it who shouldn't.


  • #3119
    bullvine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    jesus christ, i would expect that if 1000 united fans were asked about winning the league or Cl, that all 1000 of them would pick the league.

    its not even up for f8cking debate this, it really isnt. i couldnt give 2 f*cks who wins europe this year, as long as it meant we won the league. getting to a semi and keep the balance books ticking over, with the league trophy back where it belongs will do me nicely this year, with good, attacking football played.

    I too am actually astonished people would pick the CL over the League, its not even close. You spend the whole season watching the league. I'm very familiar with the smaller clubs and watch Match of the day religiously. I would struggle to watch the Champions League Group stage highlights. The interest is just not there.


  • #3120
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    the best team doesnt always win a knock out competition, normally the best team wins the league. Liverpool, Porto, Chelsea, 3 very average teams have come out of nowhere to win the CL in the past 8 years, which IMO devalues the competition when it comes down to saying who is the best team, not only in the country, but in europe.

    Real Madrid are the best team in europe right now, not Chelsea and they are barely in the top 10 imo.


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  • #3121
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    the best team doesnt always win a knock out competition, normally the best team wins the league. Liverpool, Porto, Chelsea, 3 very average teams have come out of nowhere to win the CL in the past 8 years, which IMO devalues the competition when it comes down to saying who is the best team, not only in the country, but in europe.

    Real Madrid are the best team in europe right now, not Chelsea and they are barely in the top 10 imo.

    Bet you wouldn't be saying that if United had had more European succes over the years....


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