Bombleswizzum wrote: » Premier League is always priority for me, only just though.
DM-ICE wrote: » Jame Gumb wrote: » Is that directed at me? I'm not criticising them for looking back at the past fondly or for believing in their team. I'm criticising them for believing that they are the biggest club in England and that they are as "relevant" as they were in the 1980s. They're clearly not, and there's a difference between hoping for something unlikely to occur and believing that it will occur. I genuinely believe that they will never win the league title again in my lifetime. But if you say it to a Liverpool fan, they'll look at you like you've 4 heads. Passion and belief are fine but common sense has to play a part too. It is, and you are crticising them for believing in their team and looking back at the past fondly. you actually say that when you talk about a differance between hope and belief. Liverpool are a top six team. Winning is, in theory, not that far away, it is the natural step for them to aim towards champions league qualification and then Premier League titles. If they were in the Championship or even fighting relegation, had no money, few internationals with big teams then yes the beliefs of success would be illogical. The day the club and fans lose belief and hope is the day they will slip out of any relevance and I don't think its something that will ever happen because they still have ambition. to not share in their belief that is reasonable. To give it as a reason for dislike is illogical to me when the person using the reasoning is a United fan and should be aware of the unsuccessful year's United fans went through with only hope, belief and ambition to cling onto.
Jame Gumb wrote: » Is that directed at me? I'm not criticising them for looking back at the past fondly or for believing in their team. I'm criticising them for believing that they are the biggest club in England and that they are as "relevant" as they were in the 1980s. They're clearly not, and there's a difference between hoping for something unlikely to occur and believing that it will occur. I genuinely believe that they will never win the league title again in my lifetime. But if you say it to a Liverpool fan, they'll look at you like you've 4 heads. Passion and belief are fine but common sense has to play a part too.
Des wrote: » Premier League is bread and butter, anyone who says they'd prefer the CL over the EPL is a spoiled baby.
bullvine wrote: » The League is won by the best team. You need a massive amount of luck to win The Champions league, the best team has not always won the Champions league. If it was the old format it would be more accurate.
Jame Gumb wrote: » That's a very odd statement.
Roger Sterling wrote: » I absolutely depise them and always have. It seems to be a sin on this forum to say what you really think about our club's rivals (within the confines of abuse and the charter obviously). Too many people talking out of the sides of their mouths pretending to be "above" club rivalries while throwing in the odd subtle little dig into match threads. Boll*x to that. That shower lorded it over everyone for decades and now they're finally getting their comeuppance. Their decline into mediocrity is an endless source of amusement. No doubt I'll be labelled "obsessed" or "bitter" but privately I'd say every football fan thinks the same of their club's rivals and celebrates their defeats with as much enthusiaism they celebrate their own club's wins. It just seems on this forum being two faced about the whole thing is more laudable than simply being honest about the most natural thing in the world - hating your rivals.
Jame Gumb wrote: » Would you lads prefer to see United win the Premiership or the Champions League? Champions League for me.
Chucky the tree wrote: » lol. This explains why you post in the Liverpool thread so often then.
bullvine wrote: » Should do away with the knockout stages for the champions of England, Spain, Italy and Germany and let them in at the quarter finals with a bye against the remaining qualifiers from the group stage. The champions should have a major advantage for being champions and they dont. Never work though, money talks at the end of the day.
Des wrote: » ha yeah, the United wouldn't have to suffer the ignominy of going out to some Swiss no-marks, yeah?
greendom wrote: » It's dominated by clubs from those countries anyway. There is absolutely no reason to make it easier for them.
Des wrote: » Lucky draw, freak result, small two week injury to a key player, one bad referee decision (as happened to United, Scholes wasn't offside one year). the spoilt baby comes from the fact that many of the younger generation of fans, like yourself, are so used to success that winning the league has become kind of meaningless
homerjay2005 wrote: » jesus christ, i would expect that if 1000 united fans were asked about winning the league or Cl, that all 1000 of them would pick the league. its not even up for f8cking debate this, it really isnt. i couldnt give 2 f*cks who wins europe this year, as long as it meant we won the league. getting to a semi and keep the balance books ticking over, with the league trophy back where it belongs will do me nicely this year, with good, attacking football played.
Paul Tergat wrote: » What a ludicrous proposition. One should not, nae, one MUST not confine Bebe to just one position. He's a peacock, you gotta let him fly!
homerjay2005 wrote: » the best team doesnt always win a knock out competition, normally the best team wins the league. Liverpool, Porto, Chelsea, 3 very average teams have come out of nowhere to win the CL in the past 8 years, which IMO devalues the competition when it comes down to saying who is the best team, not only in the country, but in europe. Real Madrid are the best team in europe right now, not Chelsea and they are barely in the top 10 imo.
