Are we becoming too p.c. ?

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 01:21AM

racso1975 wrote: »

Sorry just re-read your post and your right. I am sorry and i was just being pretty pedantic too.

edit: Argh caught out by a ninja edit well played good sir

Ahem, good madam
Thank you for the apology, didn't mean to catch you out with the edit, honest! I just read back on one of your previous posts where you said you were drinking after I had hit post and then decided to add a few more words that clarified my position more, that's all.

racso1975 · 20-08-2012 01:24AM

newmug wrote: »

^^^^^^^ Come on now, he's not drunk. He's just alcoholically induced judgementally impaired. Its not fair to treat him any differently!

Thank you for defending my honor however i do feel the points raised in my original op still stand

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 01:25AM

newmug wrote: »

^^^^^^^ Come on now, he's not drunk. He's just alcoholically induced judgementally impaired. Its not fair to treat him any differently!

"Alcoholically self-induced judgementally impaired"... unless someone is there forcing alcohol down his throat against his will

Morlar · 20-08-2012 01:29AM

Greentopia wrote: »

"Alcoholically self-induced judgementally impaired"... unless someone is there forcing alcohol down his throat against his will

Beveragely over-served.

Muir · 20-08-2012 01:34AM

I think being so PC makes a big issue out of things that people shouldn't care about. Like if you have to stop and consider if it's okay to say 'handicapped' or 'disabled' or 'black' or 'coloured' that actually turns it into a problem, it draws more attention to it. I personally would find it quite condescending if someone had to tip-toe around me in fear of not saying something in the socially perceived correct way. If the words mean/describe the same thing then what's the difference anyway. It becomes this issue because people are so obsessed with it.

The whole thing in schools of not being able to call it a black board or say baa baa black sheep is one of the most stupid things ever. It just attracts children's attention to the fact that someone else is considered different but we aren't allowed to comment on it. Everyone is different for some reason or other, it should be okay to talk about & people shouldn't have to worry about hurting everyone else's feelings.

Miss Lockhart · 20-08-2012 01:37AM

Muir wrote: »

The whole thing in schools of not being able to call it a black board or say baa baa black sheep is one of the most stupid things ever.

Where does this come from? They are called black-boards all over Ireland with no problem. Is this just abroad?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-08-2012 01:39AM

In America any derision of the Jews is strongly discouraged. With the power and influence these people have, one would be a fool to cross them. Even joshing with friends and dropping a K bomb could have serious implications.

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 01:41AM

Morlar wrote: »

Beveragely over-served.

I like it. It conveniently offloads responsibility for the quantity of alcoholic libations a person ingests onto someone else. "It were all the bar tender's fault I'm puking my guts up outside the chippie at 2.30am after a feed of beer! I was Beveragely Over-served you see, I can't be held responsible for that!"

racso1975 · 20-08-2012 01:46AM

Greentopia wrote: »

I like it. It conveniently offloads responsibility for the quantity of alcoholic libations a person ingests onto someone else. "It were all the bar tender's fault I'm puking my guts up outside the chippie at 2.30am after a feed of beer! I was Beveragely Over-served you see, I can't be held responsible for that!"

Thats how it works in oz. The barman thinks you got too much then you are getting no more as he and the bar get fined if you act the bollix outside of pub

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 01:53AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In America any derision of the Jews is strongly discouraged. With the power and influence these people have, one would be a fool to cross them. Even joshing with friends and dropping a K bomb could have serious implications.

Well given the tragic history of that people with pogroms and the Nazi's can you blame them? Is it such an imposition to refrain from using that insulting word when it's just as easy to say the word Jew?
And if you're just "joshing with" American friends how do you know one of them is not Jewish or one of their family isn't? Even here you couldn't be sure of that, and you wouldn't wish to risk cause offence to your friends surely anyway, regardless of what influence they may have that you think may work against you?

Wouldn't you react negatively if (and I'm assuming you're Irish when I say this) Americans in your company were to make derisive remarks about Irish people or make jokes about the famine?

Goro · 20-08-2012 01:56AM

If you don't like what the creche is teaching your son, change creche.

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 01:57AM

racso1975 wrote: »

Thats how it works in oz. The barman thinks you got too much then you are getting no more as he and the bar get fined if you act the bollix outside of pub

Sounds reasonable to me! It would help to cut down on a lot of the problems of alcohol and drunkenness on the streets if we introduced that here I think.

Motorist · 20-08-2012 02:01AM

Greentopia wrote: »

Well given the tragic history of that people with pogroms and the Nazi's can you blame them? Is it such an imposition to refrain from using that insulting word when it's just as easy to say the word Jew?
And if you're just "joshing with" American friends how do you know one of them is not Jewish or one of their family isn't? Even here you couldn't be sure of that, and you wouldn't wish to risk cause offence to your friends surely anyway, regardless of what influence they may have that you think may work against you?

Hopefully they can find catharsis by continuing to fire Hellfire rockets from Apache attack helicopters into Palestinian residential complexes :eek:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-08-2012 02:05AM

Greentopia wrote: »

Well given the tragic history of that people with pogroms and the Nazi's can you blame them? Is it such an imposition to refrain from using that insulting word when it's just as easy to say the word Jew?
And if you're just "joshing with" American friends how do you know one of them is not Jewish or one of their family isn't? Even here you couldn't be sure of that, and you wouldn't wish to risk cause offence to your friends surely anyway, regardless of what influence they may have that you think may work against you?

Wouldn't you react negatively if (and I'm assuming you're Irish when I say this) Americans in your company were to make derisive remarks about Irish people or make jokes about the famine?

I wouldn't care, I've an Italian room mate who I refer to as 'Greaser'. We've an Asian neighbour who we call 'slope'. I'm Paddy obviously, the thick alcoholic ape like creature.

For me its just a bit of fun, don't get yourself into a PC pickle.

mauzo · 20-08-2012 02:09AM

I hate PC crap. I hate people who take offence to things that arent meant to be offensive! Ugh its my biggest pet peeve.

I mean people make rape jokes, Im fine with that, I laugh along. I understand not everyone can but jesus its hardly going to change anything. If somethings funny Ill laugh, end of.

My son has cerebral palsy and some of my friends almost crap their pants before they'll say the word disabled. Like who cares??? Or they'll say oh so and so is such a retard...and automatically look at me like Im going to kill them for it.

Society has changed the way we view certain words. Retard now means youre just an idiot, same with other words! I personally dont use them, but I dont flip at others who do! Sometimes I cringe a bit on the inside, but just because I dont like a certain word or joke, doesnt mean I get to kick up a fuss about it!

One of my biggest pet peeves in the world. I hate when people automatically jump down peoples throats for saying the wrong word. Oh its not coloured, youre supposed to say black. You cant say special, youre supposed to say disabled. Ugh sorry major rant here!

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 02:13AM

Motorist wrote: »

Hopefully they can find catharsis by continuing to fire Hellfire rockets from Apache attack helicopters into Palestinian residential complexes :eek:

That's off topic and anyway has nothing to do with what I said in my post. The actions of the Israeli authorities in no way justifies the use of anti-semitic language.

Pugins · 20-08-2012 02:17AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

If it wasn't for P.C we'd probably still have these in Smyths.

They still have Gollywogs here in Melbourne. Have seen them in so many kids toy shops! Really un-PC

Greentopia · 20-08-2012 02:41AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I wouldn't care, I've an Italian room mate who I refer to as 'Greaser'. We've an Asian neighbour who we call 'slope'. I'm Paddy obviously, the thick alcoholic ape like creature.

For me its just a bit of fun, don't get yourself into a PC pickle.

I'm not in a pickle, I'm calm and relaxed

Just a bit of fun until you meet someone who doesn't share your sense of humour and finds what you say insulting or offensive.

You say all these words openly to their face? because if you feel they're just a bit of fun then the logical conclusion is I'm sure you would have no problem calling your Italian boss (for example) a 'Greaser' or you would call your black friend down the road N***** to his face yes?
How about your gay friend-a F*****'? all in a light hearted jokey way I mean. Do you think they'd find those words funny?

Words carry weight, have meaning and can some words can cause grave offence. That's why certain words like N***** and kike are no longer in use in civilised society. Just because you (say) you wouldn't be insulted by derisive anti-Irish remarks or jokes doesn't mean other people should feel as you do.
Of course the intention behind the words is very important also.

For me it's not about being PC, it's about being sensitive to people's feelings and not wishing to intentionally or needlessly cause hurt and offence to people. If that means some words are off limits so what? the English language is rich and varied enough to use alternative words that don't cause insult or hurt.

pablomakaveli · 20-08-2012 02:52AM

syndeyfife wrote: »

I hate PC crap. I hate people who take offence to things that arent meant to be offensive! Ugh its my biggest pet peeve.

I mean people make rape jokes, Im fine with that, I laugh along. I understand not everyone can but jesus its hardly going to change anything. If somethings funny Ill laugh, end of.

My son has cerebral palsy and some of my friends almost crap their pants before they'll say the word disabled. Like who cares??? Or they'll say oh so and so is such a retard...and automatically look at me like Im going to kill them for it.

Society has changed the way we view certain words. Retard now means youre just an idiot, same with other words! I personally dont use them, but I dont flip at others who do! Sometimes I cringe a bit on the inside, but just because I dont like a certain word or joke, doesnt mean I get to kick up a fuss about it!

One of my biggest pet peeves in the world. I hate when people automatically jump down peoples throats for saying the wrong word. Oh its not coloured, youre supposed to say black. You cant say special, youre supposed to say disabled. Ugh sorry major rant here!

The thing is its usually people taking offence on someone elses behalf. For example a white person complaining that someone said black when talking about an african. The african person probably wont be offended at all yet soe moron will decide to be offended on his behalf.

It's a bit ridiculous at times.

B.A._Baracus · 20-08-2012 02:57AM

For me, I think the world is currently too 'pc' ...
I define 'pc' as going over-board in what you say, do or act in life. Solely out of fear that you think others will get offended :rolleyes: ...

BOF666 · 20-08-2012 04:23AM

Greentopia wrote: »

Sounds reasonable to me! It would help to cut down on a lot of the problems of alcohol and drunkenness on the streets if we introduced that here I think.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that well in Melbourne or Sydney, there are still places that open 24 hours, and I've been refused by bouncers for being too drunk once or twice but never by anyone behind the bar...

Back on topic though,I get plenty of stick in work for being Irish, jokes about being a pisshead, the famine, etc. but it’s all just a laugh, I'd never get offended by it, whereas there are some people that you can't crack a joke around for fear of getting a political correctness lecture!

BillyMitchel · 20-08-2012 04:30AM

Anytime I see the letters PC I think of that old programme The Bill and hum its tune.

MadsL · 20-08-2012 08:01AM

newmug wrote: »

Are we becoming too P.C? Lad, we're gone waaaaaaaaayyyy beyond that. Those people who are always pushing for PC should visit a few other countries. They'd get an eye-opener.

Yeah, a few days in Somalia, Iran or Afghanistan would give them something to be PC about... wait, what??

EoghanIRL · 20-08-2012 08:05AM

frag420 wrote: »

I prefer Mac over PC anyday!!

Bring it!

I hope you brought your flame suit

PhlegmyMoses · 20-08-2012 08:25AM

That "Baa Baa Black Sheep" story is an urban legend that has been doing the rounds for years. It's an apocryphal tale used to demonstrate how the world has gone PC mad. It is disingenuous and always used as anecdotal evidence of the absurdity of political correctness by people who are a bit racist but don't want to admit it.

racso1975 · 20-08-2012 08:47AM

Two private nurseries in Oxfordshire in 2006 altered the song to "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep", with black being replaced with a variety of other adjectives, like "happy, sad, hopping" and "pink".[11]

WTF

mikemac1 · 20-08-2012 08:55AM

Anyone remember Golly Bars?

Turned a generation of Irish children into racists!
Have not seen them since the early nineties, now long gone but not forgotton

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/50314_152806536307_6955561_n.jpg

They were nice.....but not as nice as your Mammies wafers and icecream

Jester252 · 20-08-2012 09:19AM

I love the look of fear in someones eyes when they say something unPC in public

Conall Cernach · 20-08-2012 09:27AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Somebody gave out to me last night for calling a woman a broad. The mind boggles.

Are you a 1930s Chigaco gangster?

Tombi! · 20-08-2012 09:36AM

The worse part is that lots of us grew up with all these "offensive" things and the majority of us turned out fine.

And a lot of you are missing the point: it's not just the "that's racist/offensive/sexist/wrong/mean", etc. You're completely destroying an entire generation.

Look at the Simpsons, considered to be horrible because Homer chokes Bart now and again.
I doubt any of us would consider choking the life out of a kid to be acceptable (though some days I consider it to the litte feckers around me).

And what makes it funnier is that by "protecting" kids, you're just giving them more protection against punshiments.

That and let's face it: Baa Baa Black Sheep is some fine alliteration. I wonder if we said "Baa Baa Blue Sheep" do we get to say it's offensive against people with hypothermia?

Oh and the handicap/disabled/etc thing: if someone is handicapped/has a handicapped, they are/they have, end of fúcking story.

Are we going to change golf to say "what's your differently abled ability in this game"?

Are we becoming too p.c. ?

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