Dawkins sounds off. Lots of atheists upset.

mathepac · 11-08-2012 06:25PM

Nodin wrote: »

What a profound observation.

And witty too.

Glad you appreciate it. The Simpsons seem to feature in here a lot, which is good, just not on their own, which is bad.

Northclare · 11-08-2012 06:47PM

mathepac wrote: »

Nodin wrote: »

What a profound observation.

And witty too.

Glad you appreciate it. The Simpsons seem to feature in here a lot, which is good, just not on their own, which is bad.

I love Cartoon time on these threads,or when people put up funny pictures to get their message across lol there was a few directed at me now and again but I saw the humor in it

The only time I'm skeptical is when I'm buying meat in the supermarket or I make sure I observe road signs, getting my car serviced on time,just being sensible from day to day,
I like to use my common sense and keep my life manageable.

But in fairness I checked out out that skeptchick one and I'm not impressed, it's almost as bad as a hardcore religious fanatic telling us well all burn in hell...

If she was a pop star she would be very popular with the tabloids,as she loves controversy.

decimatio · 12-08-2012 06:11AM

Northclare wrote: »

But in fairness I checked out out that skeptchick one and I'm not impressed, it's almost as bad as a hardcore religious fanatic telling us well all burn in hell...

I don't know everything about the skepchick issue because I've avoided it as much as possible. I do however have unfortunately become too familiar with many of the FTB bloggers.

PZ Myers is a liberal left-wing fanatic politically. I think people outside the US only hear about or pay attention to the right wing crazies because politically most of Europe is quite close to the Left's position but the left wing nutjobs are just as bad.

I wrote about Myers in particular on my (new) blog here if anyones interested.

Jellicoe · 12-08-2012 12:57PM

Zombrex wrote: »

Why? They are private citizens, if they want to privately be bullies or hypocrites or liars they can.

If I want to spend every waking minute ringing up UPC trying to get the guy who brought my new cable box fired because I didn't like the way he looked at my dog, I can. It is up to UPC to handle that. No one has the right to open my mail and publish it because they think I'm being a dick.

If I want to post a blog about how I think Robin is awesome (cause he is ) and then privately I'm emailing Boards.ie asking to get him banned, that is a douche move but it is still perfectly within my rights as private citizen and it doesn't in anyway justify breaking my right to privacy.

That's all true, as long as you realize that like it or not, inevitably there will be repercussions and reactions to your behavior that you do not like either.

Particularly when you're dealing with people who fundamentally do not believe in the 'jebus' style concept of turning the other cheek. If you step out of line with their group think, then expect the negative consequences.

oldrnwisr · 13-08-2012 12:12AM

pH wrote: »

I've no idea how you can accuse DJ of Strawmanning Watson - she asked him a question he responded "Off the top of my head, your quote in USA Today might suggest that the freethought or skeptics movements are unsafe for women."

Thank you for providing such a comprehensive reply pH. I haven't had a chance to read through all of your links in their entirety yet but it certainly does seem as if I was dead wrong with my previous comment about DJ Grothe. This entire controversy is really giving me a bad taste in my mouth with the amount of crap being thrown around by people I previously had some respect for (Rebecca Watson, PZ Myers, Thunderf00t etc.) It'll be a cold day in Gre'thor before I consider going to another conference where these muppets are speaking.

bipedalhumanoid · 13-08-2012 10:20AM

Zombrex wrote: »

But there is no way this behaviour can be excused and you really wonder what the hell he was thinking.

You really wonder where all this will end. This scene keeps popping into my head

I couldn't agree less.

Firstly, we don't know what TF did to gain access to those emails. If you're willing to take FTBs version of events as gospel I have a nice bridge in Sydney that might interest you.

If the information TF has unearthed is accurate, then some FTB blogges are guilty of conspiring to get a guy fired from his job for the crime of sending a dissenting tweet! That is far more sinister than TFs whistle blowing.

FTB appear to have set up a smokescreen of blog posts focusing entirely on accusations against TF to divert your attention from the uncomforatble email content that TF has unearthed. You seem to have fallen for their spin.

equivariant · 13-08-2012 10:50AM

I've spent part of the last week reading up on some of the blog posts and commentary on the whole skepchick/FTB/Thuderf00t/slimepit squabble and I must say that I find it all quite depressing. Are these people the best that the atheist/rationalist community can come up with as representatives? PZ Myers starts a blog post with "F**k off ...." - this guy is a supposedly a professor at a respected university? Is that how he speaks to people? Thunderf00t claims that there is nothing wrong with disseminating info from a private mailing list - this guy is supposedly a respected academic and scientist. Is that his idea of honesty? Grow up people - you are all acting like a bunch of 12 year olds.

And spare me the whole "this is serious, people are being threatened" rubbish. If any participant of this squabble feels threatened online, they should just sell their computer and stay off line - its not like any of them are contributing anything worthwhile to the world. If even one of them had anyting interesting to say about anything then it might be worthwhile talking about threats, but right now they do not. Both Myers and Mason are a disgrace to the academic profession that gave them a platform in the first place.

Northclare · 13-08-2012 10:54AM

Great post,you made a good point.

condra · 14-08-2012 04:16AM

Elevator Guy Comes Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DWGcFEw2s

legit?

14-08-2012 04:21AM

Krishna I hope so. Bit long after the fact to take particularly seriously though.

bipedalhumanoid · 14-08-2012 08:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Krishna I hope so. Bit long after the fact to take particularly seriously though.

There are three things we know about Elevator guy from RWs account.

1) He was not shy, he was very confident
2) He was not american
3) He appeared to her to be in his 50s

So what do you think?

Galvasean · 14-08-2012 12:46PM

Is this the part where we all stand up one by one proclaiming, "I'm elevator guy!"

Nodin · 14-08-2012 12:51PM

condra wrote: »

Elevator Guy Comes Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DWGcFEw2s

legit?

He doesn't look like a "......coffee?" guy tbh.

Galvasean · 14-08-2012 01:10PM

Maybe if he had of asked hr up to his room for some smack she'd have been more interested?

condra · 14-08-2012 01:19PM

I’m elevator guy.

MagicMarker · 14-08-2012 01:26PM

I'm more partial to escalators myself.

robindch · 14-08-2012 01:28PM

I was the guy who offered her coffee when the lift doors opened upstairs -- ye didn't hear her complaining about me, now, did ye

oldrnwisr · 14-08-2012 01:29PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Is this the part where we all stand up one by one proclaiming, "I'm elevator guy!"

Galvasean · 14-08-2012 01:38PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'm more partial to escalators myself.

"An escalator can never truly break, only become a stairs.

Sorry for the convenience."

- Mitch Hedberg.

bipedalhumanoid · 14-08-2012 02:18PM

condra wrote: »

I’m elevator guy.

Yes, Condra is elevator guy.

14-08-2012 03:17PM

I broke the dam.

bipedalhumanoid · 14-08-2012 05:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I broke the dam.

When the Dr tells you to document your toilet history, he doesn't mean to do it online in public fora.

bipedalhumanoid · 14-08-2012 08:49PM

GirlWritesWhat has been the victim of false DMCA claims that she strongly suspects are related in some way to FTB or their followers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLJ3uV6sFHU&feature=youtu.be&a

Kooli · 19-08-2012 10:37AM

I think this is a fabulous post on the subject, and a great call to action:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/how-i-unwittingly-infiltrated-the-boys-club-why-its-time-for-a-new-wave-of-atheism/

bipedalhumanoid · 19-08-2012 10:53AM

Kooli wrote: »

I think this is a fabulous post on the subject, and a great call to action:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/how-i-unwittingly-infiltrated-the-boys-club-why-its-time-for-a-new-wave-of-atheism/

If by "fabulous", you mean "incredibly biased", then I agree.

Kooli · 19-08-2012 12:19PM

bipedalhumanoid wrote: »

If by "fabulous", you mean "incredibly biased", then I agree.

If by 'biased' you mean 'talking about her own personal experience and other experiences she has been connected with' then I agree

bipedalhumanoid · 19-08-2012 09:19PM

Kooli wrote: »

If by 'biased' you mean 'talking about her own personal experience and other experiences she has been connected with' then I agree

errr... no, that blog post includes the author's account of a number of real events.

It's just another episode on the professional victimhood channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNHu9gth7Js&feature=g-high-u

Nodin · 19-08-2012 09:34PM

.....I don't feel this is a safe space for fat tattooed oul fellas....

condra · 20-08-2012 02:12AM

Oh man. This whole thing feels so poisoned.

How have these self righteous, attention starved morons infiltrated and polarized the community so effectively?

Davidius · 20-08-2012 06:01AM

condra wrote: »

Oh man. This whole thing feels so poisoned.

How have these self righteous, attention starved morons infiltrated and polarized the community so effectively?

A large or very loud portion of people in the community use this logic:

Some sceptical people think A.
I think A.

=> I am a sceptic => I am smart => People need to here my opinions.

They then pick their heroes and fight to purge the world of sin bicker on the internet.

Dawkins sounds off. Lots of atheists upset.

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