Deadline Day: Bring Out The Transfer Gimp!

cson · 14-08-2012 05:19PM

amiable wrote: »

What do people genuinely feel Steven Fletcher is worth?

Double digit goals in a relegation team is a decent achievement but the reason Wolves are holding out for more imo is the fee they paid for him in the first instance was very excessive [£7m]. That is probably what he's worth imo - £7m.

Jax Teller · 14-08-2012 05:21PM

I'd pay about 6 or 8 million for Fletcher.

cson · 14-08-2012 05:21PM

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Not even going to bother comparing that ridiculous transfer to others.

Ah, just one wouldn't hurt.

Podolski - £10.5m.

That's it really isn't it; 18 goals last season in a relegated team plus 44 goals in 101 international caps. The sums don't add up on the Fletcher move.

Gillington · 14-08-2012 05:22PM

Is Fletcher MONs main transfer target or have they been knocked back by other strikers? Baffled everyday I read about this. I woulda keppt Bendtner rather than Fletcher if I could!

cson · 14-08-2012 05:26PM

Yeah 8 goals and 5 assists was an alright return for Bendtner last season. Probably thinks he's better than Sunderland though the gimp.

amiable · 14-08-2012 05:26PM

Personally i think £9 million would have been a fair deal all round.
I like Fletcher but £14 is OTT. I think Fletcher has goals in him. Forget his international record. He has fallen out with the manager.

Kiwi_knock · 14-08-2012 05:29PM

To be fair to Wolves they are entitled to look for a decent amount for Fletcher seeing as they bought him for around 7 million and also have to give Burnley a decent chunk of whatever price they get for him due to a sell on clause. Plus Wolves are under no financial pressures so they have no reason to sell him on the cheap. So I can see why they are looking to recoup as much as possible.

However Sunderland would be crazy to match Wolves' evaluation. I think some Villa fans (Helix in particular) will feel a bit justified that people will start ridiculing MON's approach to transfers.

premierstone · 14-08-2012 05:33PM

-Ade- wrote: »

MON proving his wheel n dealin' skills are up to scratch as ever.

Eejit.

Surely its the Sunderland chairman who is the eejit, MON aint paying it out of he's back pocket, what does he care what it costs??

JPA · 14-08-2012 05:33PM

MON fixates on a target, so he'll pay anything to get him or if he can't get him he'll take an age finding an alternative.

Seaneh · 14-08-2012 05:34PM

amiable wrote: »

What do people genuinely feel Steven Fletcher is worth?

€7/8 million.

JPA · 14-08-2012 05:39PM

cson wrote: »

If Wolves get £14m for Fletcher and £9m for Jarvis they could put that money to serious use in building a team for promotion again. £23m invested back in the squad would have them promoted at a canter.

Just emphasises how mad MON is gone if Fletcher makes £14m.

FYP

Paully D · 14-08-2012 05:41PM

Definitely overpriced at £14m.

Well done to Wolves if they get that fee though, there's been times we've gone down and completely bent over to Premier League clubs that wanted our players and I wish we'd have taken a similar stance to Wolves have taken on this. Good to see a club doing all they can to hold on to their best players, Wolves fans must be pretty happy with how their board has done this summer.

At the end of the day there's no point in saying ''that's similar to the Cazorla fee, the Podolski fee etc''. Fletcher at £14m and £30,000 a week works out a hell of a lot cheaper than Podolski at £12m and £100,000 a week plus a huge signing on fee. Plus that's not to mention we wouldn't have a hope in hell of them giving us the time of day so it's a moot point really.

Another very important point, and I don't know why people think any different, O'Neill IS NOT responsible for the negotiation of transfer prices and wages etc at Sunderland. That job is with Margaret Byrne (chief executive) and Ellis Short (owner). The way people go on you'd swear O'Neill is on the phone to Moxey every day and will sit in the room negotiating Fletcher's contract (if he does come here). It's not Football Manager, the manager doesn't do everything and he certainly doesn't do the boardroom work at Sunderland. So by all means criticise Byrne and Short over the fee, not O'Neill, under who's management we haven't spent a penny in transfer fees since he arrived last December.

Of course I'd rather we bought someone else for that sort of money (£12m would have been my absolute limit and even at that I said he was a bit overpriced for me, but what's £2m in todays game I suppose) but we know what we're going to get from Fletcher, he fits into the system O'Neill is going to use at Sunderland perfectly, and at the end of the day players who have done less in the Premier League have gone for more than that as recently as last week. If he does the business for us the fee will be quickly forgotten about, if he doesn't the club will rightly be hugely criticised.

Lets wait and see what happens.

Although I would be interested to hear suggestions from people for other players Sunderland could buy that would be cheaper, willing to come to the north-east, and that are proven in the Premier League?

P.S. - Does anyone have a reputable source to a £14m offer being accepted. I can't find anything other than reports of this mornings rejected bid. Thanks.

JPA · 14-08-2012 05:54PM

Paully D wrote: »

Definitely overpriced at £14m.

Well done to Wolves if they get that fee though, there's been times we've gone down and completely bent over to Premier League clubs that wanted our players and I wish we'd have taken a similar stance to Wolves have taken on this. Good to see a club doing all they can to hold on to their best players, Wolves fans must be pretty happy with how their board has done this summer.

At the end of the day there's no point in saying ''that's similar to the Cazorla fee, the Podolski fee etc''. Fletcher at £14m and £30,000 a week works out a hell of a lot cheaper than Podolski at £12m and £100,000 a week plus a huge signing on fee. Plus that's not to mention we wouldn't have a hope in hell of them giving us the time of day so it's a moot point really.

Another very important point, and I don't know why people think any different, O'Neill IS NOT responsible for the negotiation of transfer prices and wages etc at Sunderland. That job is with Margaret Byrne (chief executive) and Ellis Short (owner). The way people go on you'd swear O'Neill is on the phone to Moxey every day and will sit in the room negotiating Fletcher's contract (if he does come here). It's not Football Manager, the manager doesn't do everything and he certainly doesn't do the boardroom work at Sunderland. So by all means criticise Byrne and Short over the fee, not O'Neill, under who's management we haven't spent a penny in transfer fees since he arrived last December.

Of course I'd rather we bought someone else for that sort of money (£12m would have been my absolute limit and even at that I said he was a bit overpriced for me, but what's £2m in todays game I suppose) but we know what we're going to get from Fletcher, he fits into the system O'Neill is going to use at Sunderland perfectly, and at the end of the day players who have done less in the Premier League have gone for more than that as recently as last week. If he does the business for us the fee will be quickly forgotten about, if he doesn't the club will rightly be hugely criticised.

Lets wait and see what happens.

Although I would be interested to hear suggestions from people for other players Sunderland could buy that would be cheaper, willing to come to the north-east, and that are proven in the Premier League?

P.S. - Does anyone have a reputable source to a £14m offer being accepted. I can't find anything other than reports of this mornings rejected bid. Thanks.

Imagine the Sunderland board said to MON you have a £25 million budget this summer and you can spend it however you want, on 5 players or on one player or whatever.

They put in a few bids for Fletcher and come back to MON and say we've bid 12 million but they still want more, do you want us to bid again? And MON says yes.

Then it is his fault.

Knex* · 14-08-2012 05:56PM

Paully D wrote: »

Although I would be interested to hear suggestions from people for other players Sunderland could buy that would be cheaper, willing to come to the north-east, and that are proven in the Premier League?

Being a Liverpool fan, I can assure that this means absolutely fuck all.

Even just looking at the striker West Ham signed, Maiga, they picked him up for 5-6m and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he scored 10+ goals next year.

Fletcher will get ye goals, no doubt, but at 14m the price is pretty absurd.

Paully D · 14-08-2012 06:12PM

JPA wrote: »

Imagine the Sunderland board said to MON you have a £25 million budget this summer and you can spend it however you want, on 5 players or on one player or whatever.

They put in a few bids for Fletcher and come back to MON and say we've bid 12 million but they still want more, do you want us to bid again? And MON says yes.

Then it is his fault.

Well we currently have the worst strike force in the Premier League and would go down if we didn't sign one before the end of the transfer window, so no surprise if the manager wants to spent the vast majority of his budget on a striker when we're reasonably ok at other positions.

Knex. wrote: »

Being a Liverpool fan, I can assure that this means absolutely fuck all.

Even just looking at the striker West Ham signed, Maiga, they picked him up for 5-6m and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he scored 10+ goals next year.

Fletcher will get ye goals, no doubt, but at 14m the price is pretty absurd.

It means a lot to a club like us, especially after the Gyan debacle.

We haven't had a lot of success buying from abroad recently anyway (Sessegnon and Mignolet probably the only success stories in the last few years, unless I'm forgetting someone obvious) and under O'Neill (as is his usual policy) we're focusing on British based players and/or players who have proven they can do it in the Premier League.

It's all well and good spitting out names like Maiga (who I think is a very good striker by the way) but it's obvious we won't be targeting those players. That's why I said proven in the Premier League as it falls in line with our current policy. And in fairness even though West Ham bought Maiga for that price they were willing to go out and spend £19m on Andy Carroll also.

Agree on the price comment. He's definitely overpriced at the reported fee.

Pepe LeFrits · 14-08-2012 06:30PM

Low risk, low reward.

Paully D · 14-08-2012 06:35PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Low risk, low reward.

It'd be great if we could spent decent money on punts and hope for the best, but the fact of the matter is we can't afford to do it.

BlueBaron · 14-08-2012 07:05PM

Lads back to business with the transfers
Wigan have signed Arouna Kone from Levante for a reported 2.7 mill
Fantastic bit of business from us and scored 17 goals last season and lots of experience internationally.....oh bring on the season, the anticipation is building!!!:D:D:D

Nuri Sahin · 14-08-2012 07:19PM

Tis a good deal by Wigan. His time with Sevilla was a blot on a otherwise career where he has scored goals wherever he has gone, but he had the very decent pairing of Kanoute and Fabiano ahead of him at Sevilla. Bit puzzled that Levante let him go for next to nothing though. Could be back to fighting relegation now.

cson · 14-08-2012 07:20PM

Miyachi will do really well for you on loan too imo.

Paully D · 14-08-2012 07:22PM

BlueBaron wrote: »

Lads back to business with the transfers
Wigan have signed Arouna Kone from Levante for a reported 2.7 mill
Fantastic bit of business from us and scored 17 goals last season and lots of experience internationally.....oh bring on the season, the anticipation is building!!!:D:D:D

Interesting signing, but slightly strange. Didn't he just sign permanently for Levante this summer?

Good record everywhere he's been apart from Sevilla where, apart from his first season, was mostly used off the bench behind Kanoute and Fabiano. Funnily enough last year at Levante he had a clause in his contract that stated if he scored 18 goals he'd have to go back to Sevilla straight away so he became ''injured'' for the last few weeks of the season :pac:

Hopefully Wigan do well this year.

Paully D · 14-08-2012 08:47PM

Gillington wrote: »

Is Fletcher MONs main transfer target or have they been knocked back by other strikers? Baffled everyday I read about this. I woulda keppt Bendtner rather than Fletcher if I could!

cson wrote: »

Yeah 8 goals and 5 assists was an alright return for Bendtner last season. Probably thinks he's better than Sunderland though the gimp.

Yep, Fletcher's been our top target since day one which is the main reason Wolves know they can squeeze every penny out of us.

Just on Bendtner, while I agree 8 goals and 5 assists was pretty decent considering our season didn't really start until O'Neill took over in December, he just doesn't get in the box enough. His control, creating space and all round play was top quality, but when playing as the lone front man there were so many times when crosses would come in and Bendtner would still be making his way (from having picked up and laid off the ball out wide) into the box and the chance would be long gone before he arrived.

If playing a 4-4-2 by all means he'd be an excellent signing for us but with O'Neill's 4-5-1/4-3-3 system a player such as Fletcher who spends more of his time in the box is what we need.

As has been mentioned he probably does think he'd be better than us and he'd be right in thinking that too. He'd do very well in much better sides if played with a partner. Also, as someone who leads a bit of a mad lifestyle I couldn't ever see him settling in the north-east after living in London for most of his career. I enjoyed Bendtner for the year he was here though and wish him all the best in the future.

LuckyLloyd · 14-08-2012 08:58PM

amiable wrote: »

What do people genuinely feel Steven Fletcher is worth?

If his name was Stefan Fletchkov he'd cost 6m

Gbear · 14-08-2012 09:01PM

-Ade- wrote: »

Tis a good deal by Wigan. His time with Sevilla was a blot on a otherwise career where he has scored goals wherever he has gone, but he had the very decent pairing of Kanoute and Fabiano ahead of him at Sevilla. Bit puzzled that Levante let him go for next to nothing though. Could be back to fighting relegation now.

I think Levante's total budget for last year was about €15m. They're seriously poor.

djPSB · 14-08-2012 09:13PM

£14m for Fletcher.

The world is gone fully mad.

opr · 14-08-2012 09:35PM

Song gone to Barcelona.

Opr

batistuta9 · 14-08-2012 09:36PM

opr wrote: »

Song gone to Barcelona.

Opr

where'd you hear that?

LostBoy101 · 14-08-2012 09:36PM

opr wrote: »

Song gone to Barcelona.

Opr

Source?

opr · 14-08-2012 09:39PM

I may have jumped the gun. Put 2+2 together from . .

Guillem Balague ‏@GuillemBalague
alex Song transfer to Barcelona could be close. watch @SkySports for the latest...

Someone in the Arsenal thread said Sky Sports just said he has gone to Barcelona?

Opr

greendom · 14-08-2012 09:44PM

LostBoy101 wrote: »

Source?

Guilem Balague says a deal could be close - nothing about a done deal though

Deadline Day: Bring Out The Transfer Gimp!

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