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Barnardo's and the week off!

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  • #32
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Hootanany wrote: »
    How much is the head guy on.:cool:


    bump


  • #33
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    alastair wrote: »
    How are those blinkers?



    and the rest...

    So as well as the 'think of the children' nonsense they try to make us abide by they're also a money spinner for social workers and chuggers. Two real bottom-feeder professions. Not a very ethical organisation at all I don't think, only get away with it because they can say its for the children

    They seem to have a lot of staff as well which is common for the large charities that make up the so called 'charity industry'. They're excuse would be that they couldn't let in just anyone and are forced to take on paid staff due to the vetting practices they impose on themselves or were instrumental in making a law.

    Not saying they do no good at all but they definitely wouldn't be the greatest bunch of lads around


  • #34
    Handsome Bob
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »

    I'm actually quite cynical of professional charity. Charity is big business after all.

    Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?


  • #35
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Hootanany wrote: »
    bump

    What's so wrong with reading the link at the start?
    Mr Finlay was paid a salary of €113,315 in 2010 and 2011. However, the charity pointed out that he donates a minimum of €25,000 to the charity from money earned outside of Barnardos, including speaking engagements and media work.


  • #36
    starbelgrade
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    Hootanany wrote: »
    How much is the head guy on.:cool:

    Salary 2010: €113,315 according to The Examiner.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbidgbqlgb/rss2/


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  • #37
    Handsome Bob
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    eth0 wrote: »
    So as well as the 'think of the children' nonsense they try to make us abide by they're also a money spinner for social workers and chuggers. Two real bottom-feeder professions.

    How exactly is social work a bottom feeding profession?


  • #38
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?

    Any company that takes in over 20 million a year would be fairly substantial.


  • #39
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    eth0 wrote: »
    Not saying they do no good at all but they definitely wouldn't be the greatest bunch of lads around

    You don't really seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to what they do, or don't do - so I'll look elsewhere for a pithy synopsis if you don't mind.


  • #40
    eth0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    alastair wrote: »
    What's so wrong with reading the link at the start?

    So he has his little business on the side going as well as raking in over 100k a year from charitable donations after the chugging company has taken their 40% share. He has a great swindle going on altogether


  • #41
    Cassidy28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Cassidy28


    They say "reduction in income", but they have jobs advertised with medium to high salary scale, something doesn't add up here, maybe someone can help clear it up?


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  • #42
    alastair
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    eth0 wrote: »
    So he has his little business on the side going as well as raking in over 100k a year from charitable donations after the chugging company has taken their 40% share. He has a great swindle going on altogether

    Yeah - real swindlers. :rolleyes:


  • #43
    alastair
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    Cassidy28 wrote: »
    They say "reduction in income", but they have jobs advertised with medium to high salary scale, something doesn't add up here.

    The positions advertised are revenue generating jobs (one a substitute for maternity leave). The mystery might have a solution in there somewhere?


  • #44
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    I think it's a case of the public finally giving a resounding NO to chugging and 6 figure salaries.


  • #45
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Any company that takes in over 20 million a year would be fairly substantial.

    In an ideal world though that money is pumped back into the running of their services, it's not quite like making a profit.


  • #46
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Poor Fergus, he is so dedicated to his job he needs €2,000+per week to do it!
    And thats just his salary, now count all the other staff, its not a charity its an ego vehicle for Fergus"I wanna be the President because I love kids" Finlay (for €2,000+ a week who wouldn't love the disadvantaged little mites).


  • #47
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I'd a thought it's pretty obvious why they closed this week. The people they're meant to helping are swanning it around Europe on their children's allowance funded holidays :pac::pac:


  • #48
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    In an ideal world though that money is pumped back into the running of their services, it's not quite like making a profit.

    True enough. The problem with charities in Ireland though is that they have no one to answer to - what they spend their money on is up to them & there is no accountability beyond that.

    I think that's why a lot of people are cynical or suspicious about them & how they operate.


  • #49
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    I'm a bit skeptical of this as it comes at peak holiday time, surely there was another solution like reducing the CEO's and senior managements pay etc. I note that their shops remained open for business. They do great work but I sence that this is more optics than necessity, if its possible to do it for one week then why not two or three?

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/barnardos-shuts-down-for-week-over-cash-crisis-3200179.html

    Barnardos do very good work I have to say. Their good work is often in oppisition to government policy and willpower.


  • #50
    Cassidy28
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    alastair wrote: »
    The positions advertised are revenue generating jobs (one a substitute for maternity leave). The mystery might have a solution in there somewhere?

    Missed that thank you :)


  • #51
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    Could you elaborate on what you mean by big business?


    Irish charity in 2009 had a reported total income of €5.75bn. Thats over twice the size of the beverage manufacturing industry.


    As I said, its a big business.


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  • #52
    eth0
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    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    In an ideal world though that money is pumped back into the running of their services, it's not quite like making a profit.

    The organisation might not make an actual profit but when you have a lad on over 100k a year (and most likely several other overpaid lads) they're not exactly slumming it in order to help the good cause.
    alastair wrote: »
    Yeah - real swindlers. :rolleyes:

    Glad you agree for once
    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    How exactly is social work a bottom feeding profession?

    Cushy public service job who threaten that children will suffer if they get their funding cut and creating problems to justify their job, no offence to the handfull of honest hard working dedicated social workers in the country.

    Great article here http://dontwrong.me/children_first_scam.html even their former CEO isn't impressed
    “Barnardos is the best scam I’ve ever seen. We pretend to do valuable work, but actually all we do is sit around all day telling other people what they should be doing and draw big salaries. Ok, it’s sanctimonious claptrap that we put out, and I hate it, but boy does it pay the bills. And, I get a cracking pension as well! All being well, there’ll be a peerage in it too. Believe me, there’s nothing like running charities for making big dosh, and nobody ever complains – it’s not like being a banker.”


  • #53
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    eth0 wrote: »
    They are more of a political twatgroup campaining for more restrictive laws on the general public for the sake of the children than anything resembling a charity

    Actually thats wrong. They are doing everything they can to protect children and they made a massive difference in the lives of many kids in this country.


  • #54
    alastair
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Poor Fergus, he is so dedicated to his job he needs €2,000+per week to do it!
    And thats just his salary, now count all the other staff, its not a charity its an ego vehicle for Fergus"I wanna be the President because I love kids" Finlay (for €2,000+ a week who wouldn't love the disadvantaged little mites).

    And before Fergus was the front man for Barnardos? Still an 'ego vehicle' then? The work they do with kids just a sideshow?

    Which charity's head salary do you approve of btw - or are you equally opposed to all?


  • #55
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    True enough. The problem with charities in Ireland though is that they have no one to answer to - what they spend their money on is up to them & there is no accountability beyond that.

    I think that's why a lot of people are cynical or suspicious about them & how they operate.

    Well, just talking through my own experience, NGOs have to put together annual spending reports, that specify where money was spent. Of the funding given by the government, anything that is not spent has to be given back.

    The problem that I observed is that a lot of things go unchallenged and are just accepted when it comes to expenses. I've seen people claiming expenses for the most ridiculous things yet no-one cares, as long as you have a receipt then you won't be challenged.


  • #56
    eth0
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Actually thats wrong. They are doing everything they can to protect children and they made a massive difference in the lives of many kids in this country.

    Including supporting ridiculous internet censorship nonsense like Sean Sherlock. I'm sure theres a few ounces of good will in them but they could do with stopping the lobbying nonsense, getting rid of the chuggers, the overpaid fatcats and other sources of wastage.


  • #57
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    eth0 wrote: »
    Including supporting ridiculous internet censorship nonsense like Sean Sherlock. I'm sure theres a few ounces of good will in them but they could do with stopping the lobbying nonsense, getting rid of the chuggers, the overpaid fatcats and other sources of wastage.

    Well I disagreed with their sean sherlock support but some of the other lobbying they do is important.


  • #58
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    eth0 wrote: »

    Great article here http://dontwrong.me/children_first_scam.html even their former CEO isn't impressed

    Heh. I think you'd need to filter the rubbish google is throwing up for you. Hilarious site! Deluded nonsense - but hilarious!

    (unsurprisingly - the supposed 'quote' from the ex-Barnados guy is the product of a nutjob's website)


  • #59
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    alastair wrote: »
    And before Fergus was the front man for Barnardos? Still an 'ego vehicle' then? The work they do with kids just a sideshow?

    Which charity's head salary do you approve of btw - or are you equally opposed to all?

    I dont believe that any Charity should be paying a self promoting, egoistic, former lobbyist and special advisor €2,000+ to be its public figurehead.


  • #60
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    alastair wrote: »
    What's so wrong with reading the link at the start?

    As my father said I wont give to Charity when there is a big guy in a office drawing a huge wage. How much of every euro given gets to the end user Its a con a big con.


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  • #61
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Hootanany wrote: »
    As my father said I wont give to Charity when there is a big guy in a office drawing a huge wage. How much of every euro given gets to the end user Its a con a big con.

    So - who do you give to?


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