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DIY Sega Neptune

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Great step by step, nothing about a fan or cooling! Last I heard, doing that mod can lead to chips overheating and games crashing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Great step by step, nothing about a fan or cooling! Last I heard, doing that mod can lead to chips overheating and games crashing.

    The tinfoil blanket certainly doesn't help with any heat issues !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Yeah I was really interested in doing this a while back, then I heard about the overheating & reliability issues & decided not to pursue it. Damn you Neptune & your elusiveness :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I wonder how far along that Neptune prototype was? Was it just a shell or did they ever have the internal parts assembled to fit inside?

    Oh to have the ability to browse the Sega vaults!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    The tinfoil blanket certainly doesn't help with any heat issues !!

    As far as I remember its there for shielding, without it games tend to crash & there's more interference


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I wonder how far along that Neptune prototype was? Was it just a shell or did they ever have the internal parts assembled to fit inside?

    Oh to have the ability to browse the Sega vaults!

    I'd say it was essentially a Nomad & a 32X married together. But to be able to browse the vaults of Sega & Nintendo...drool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Ooooh, feck the Neptune, what I want to see is a Nomad 32X!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Ooooh, feck the Neptune, what I want to see is a Nomad 32X!

    Not a hope, not all from within the Nomad shell anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Ooooh, feck the Neptune, what I want to see is a Nomad 32X!

    Ask the guys at Blaze nicely, they might throw something together for €200.

    I think at guy in the UK was making replica Neptune shells based on pics of the proto. Now, if only I'd access to a 3d printer :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Completely hypothetically and with no ability to put any of this into action -

    You could gut the Nomad and replace the internals with those from one of those tiny little plug and play Megadrives.

    That tiny Megadrive can be modded to accept a cart slot.

    This would leave most of the Nomad internals free for a stripped down 32X.

    The main issue there would be whether or not those plug and play Megadrives have the ability for 32X add on - the Sega Genesis 3 doesn't, so probably not.

    Oooh! You could gut and strip down a CDX as that supports a 32X (gotta love the shamless destroying of important pieces of videogame history by the way! :D).

    Then again, if you're doing that, you might as well just use the Nomad as the boards are probably the same (and I'm pretty sure that supports the 32X)

    Okay this is impossible. Empty Nomad shell and Raspberry PI it is :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Yeah those clones are just 'on chip' solutions, lacking the expandability of the actual hardware.

    I'd really love one of the replica Neptune shells however :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's a really lovely design alright. I think it's my favourite Sega have ever put out after the Megadrive Mark 1.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    o1s1n wrote: »
    It's a really lovely design alright. I think it's my favourite Sega have ever put out after the Megadrive Mark 1.

    Agreed, in reality, the 32X should have never seen the light of day & the Neptune should have been used to fill the gap to the Saturn. Its like we got the proto, & they kept the retail unit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,920 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    I wonder could I get hold of a 3D model and print it on my 3D printer?
    It would require some accurate fine sanding to get a nice professional finish to the case as the current batch of consumer 3D printers just cant replicate what injection moulding can do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    I wonder could I get hold of a 3D model and print it on my 3D printer?
    It would require some accurate fine sanding to get a nice professional finish to the case as the current batch of consumer 3D printers just cant replicate what injection moulding can do.

    I know the quality wouldn't match injection moulding, but still, it'd be damn awesome to have a shell for a console that was never released - fine sanded or not! :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭a5y


    o1s1n wrote: »
    It's a really lovely design alright. I think it's my favourite Sega have ever put out after the Megadrive Mark 1.

    Honestly? I could never see the appeal of the Neptune from a hardware or aesthetic point of view.

    It's a MD2 with cosmetic surgery and a partial lobotomy - no Master System backwards compatibility or SegaCD/MegaCD compatibility.

    Its like reducing a Gundam action figure to Malibu Stacy, and giving it a hat. I almost find it offensive! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    a5y wrote: »
    Honestly? I could never see the appeal of the Neptune from a hardware or aesthetic point of view.

    It's a MD2 with cosmetic surgery and a partial lobotomy - no Master System backwards compatibility or SegaCD/MegaCD compatibility.

    Its like reducing a Gundam action figure to Malibu Stacy, and giving it a hat. I almost find it offensive! :p

    Your completely missing the point, it's a Sega console that was never released. It's automatically cool without even having to try


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭a5y


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Your completely missing the point, it's a Sega console that was never released. It's automatically cool without even having to try

    Yeah. But my point is, Sega weren't even trying. :P

    OK, I may have been a little harsh on the Neptune. But it just wasn't a step forward for either hardware that helped sell better games or an improvement in console case aesthetics.

    Frankly its getting too much love at the expense of VR.

    216983.jpg

    Imagine that combined in an arcade with an R360.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    a5y wrote: »
    Yeah. But my point is, Sega weren't even trying. :P

    OK, I may have been a little harsh on the Neptune. But it just wasn't a step forward for either hardware that helped sell better games or an improvement in console case aesthetics.

    I don't think so, had the 32X not have seen the light of day then the Neptune would have been the natural bridge between the Megadrive & Saturn. It really should have been the way to go rather than using an add on component, another psu, link cables at the rear etc...your certainly right in that Sega wern't thinking! :p

    But being 32 bit, & the Saturn being 32 bit...Sega were stuck between a rock and a hard place really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,920 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    So, if anyone comes across a 3d model of this thing let me know and I'll see what i can whip up.
    I've had a bit of a look on google and I cant find a 3D model of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    A single model would be enough to produce a decent fibreglass mould at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭a5y


    Steve SI wrote: »
    So, if anyone comes across a 3d model of this thing let me know and I'll see what i can whip up.
    I've had a bit of a look on google and I cant find a 3D model of it.

    Couple of questions:

    (for SteveSI)

    What file format do you need the data in?
    What's the maximum size your printer can handle for components (width by depth by build high (supported by scaffolding)?

    Open question:

    Can anyone provide the 32X cart's slot size?

    I might have a go, I've enough reference images to give it a shot.

    216993.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭a5y


    Right.

    216995.png

    This is the thing I'm looking for measurements on.

    Actually, this is PAL Sega MegaDrive's/Genesis' one. I'm looking for the 32x's carts measurements. Right now I only need:
    • the total length from one end to the other
    • the total from front to back
    I don't need any guesswork on the curve's radius, and frankly it doesn't have to be perfect, I can correct it later without it being a ton of work.

    If anyone could take a ruler to one of their carts this would be a big help with working out the rest of how big the Neptune should be (this slot and the controller ports are the only scale references I've to work with, and the controller ports are less that ideal).

    Oh and in millimetres would be nice too! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    32X cart is 72 high, 12 depth and 114mm wide.

    The Neptune supposedly used the same base at the Mega drive 2 so should provide some reference measurements as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,920 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    a5y wrote: »
    Couple of questions:

    (for SteveSI)

    What file format do you need the data in?
    What's the maximum size your printer can handle for components (width by depth by build high (supported by scaffolding)?

    • Build envelope: 225 x145 x150 millimetres/8.9 x 5.7 x 5.9 inches
    • Build Volume: 5 litres

    Layer thickness: .2 to .3mm

    The file format ideally would be fully formed valid .stl but I can work with pretty much any format.

    This vid might give you an idea of what can be printed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭a5y


    32X cart is 72 high, 12 depth and 114mm wide.

    The Neptune supposedly used the same base at the Mega drive 2 so should provide some reference measurements as well.

    Great! Thanks for the dimensions!
    Though I don't own a MegaDrive 2... :rolleyes:

    Well, I was never expecting this to go smoothly. If I can dig up the width and height all the better.
    Steve SI wrote: »
    • Build envelope: 225 x145 x150 millimetres/8.9 x 5.7 x 5.9 inches
    • Build Volume: 5 litres

    Layer thickness: .2 to .3mm

    The file format ideally would be fully formed valid .stl but I can work with pretty much any format.

    This vid might give you an idea of what can be printed.

    Well neither the build volume nor the layer thickness should be problems since the casing is hollow and may only need fine tolerance at the joints.

    I dunno with the width by depth of a MegaDrive 2 is less than 225 x145 mm. If it isn't, it'll mean splitting the case into joining parts for printing.

    I don't expect the valid .STL to be a problem, I've done that before for a CNC operated mill (it only accepted floppy disks. No lie :p)

    The stuff you've printed before on this, did the print vary much from the file's dimensions? Did the printer scale it up automatically to allow for sanding down to spec'ed size?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I'd seriously consider modding an MD2 & 32X into a Neptune case like that. The additional room would allow for better cooling.

    I wonder if the Nomad is technically capable of running a 32X...if so, perhaps one with a broken screen might be a perfect solution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    I love the direction this thread has taken.

    One of those Neptune cases could be very very sweet to have.

    Plus would a sand blast and a good paint job would have these looking sold as a rock? I know somewho who would do that for me for a handy ammount


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I love the direction this thread has taken.

    One of those Neptune cases could be very very sweet to have.

    Plus would a sand blast and a good paint job would have these looking sold as a rock? I know somewho who would do that for me for a handy ammount

    I too am cautiously optimistic that this thread might lead to something really really cool


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