Shooting in Times Square

CatFromHue · 13-08-2012 05:19PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Not from 12 feet they aren't

They only fired when he lunged at them i.e. when they had no other option as they were in danger.

Sykk · 13-08-2012 05:19PM

They gave him plenty of time and opportunity to put his weapon down and cop the fcuk on.

12 bullets might have been a bit excessive but if he charged at an officer with the weapon, there could be hardly any other outcome.

"Hopefully 1 or 2 bullets might stop him from stabbing me in the chest" isn't an option.

He needed to be taken down before he could cause the officer harm.

Funglegunk · 13-08-2012 05:20PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Completely agre. WTF is with people wanting to taking video of him being killed? I despair

I think it's more to do with having a record of the event rather than gaining any pleasure watching the guy get killed.

Brazilian tourist Lincoln Rocha told AP: "When I saw the officers draw their guns, I was sure they would kill him. If they're going to kill him, I want to take some pictures, I want to record it."

Owen_S · 13-08-2012 05:20PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Not from 12 feet they aren't

I think you will find that they are, it has been shown that knives are actually more dangerous than guns when less than 5m apart.

Casillas · 13-08-2012 05:22PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Why not one shot to disable him rather that what sounded like 8-9 shots and killing him?

That's what I thought as well.

Firing so many shots in a crowded area seems a bit much in fairness.

nucker · 13-08-2012 05:23PM

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

A man wielding a knife was shot in by police officers in times square

http://news.sky.com/story/972040/times-square-shooting-tourists-film-police

As you can see from the video there are at least a dozen officers armed pursuing the man on foot slowly. Some may argue What they did was wrong others may argue they were right. From the looks of things they were trying to get the man into an area where they could apprehend him by weight of numbers when he lunged at them.

what bothers me most is this little snippet of Quotation from a witness

"If they're going to kill him, I want to take some pictures, I want to record it."

It just goes to show that Americans have a ridiculous gun culture, and that the right to bear arms is not for self-defence, but wanting to see someone killed for absolutely no reasons.

seamus · 13-08-2012 05:23PM

Well without further details of why nobody was carrying a taser, and presuming that nobody was carrying a taser, then I don't see any other way for this to have ended.

They were trying to contain him without putting themselves at risk, when he did get contained he tried to attack them and was dropped. The amount of shots is excessive perhaps, but if a big bastard is running at me with a foot-long knife, I probably wouldn't stop shooting until his body hit the ground. If someone was sufficiently off their head, even five bullets in the stomach or chest might not stop them from coming.
I'm not going to shoot twice and then stop to see if he's still coming at me. Keep shooting until he's on the ground.

Funglegunk · 13-08-2012 05:25PM

nucker wrote: »

It just goes to show that Americans have a ridiculous gun culture, and that the right to bear arms is not for self-defence, but wanting to see someone killed for absolutely no reasons.

It's a quote from a Brazilian tourist, not an American.

Dead Man Walking · 13-08-2012 05:25PM

Sykk wrote: »

12 bullets might have been a bit excessive but if he charged at an officer with the weapon, there could be hardly any other outcome.

"Hopefully 1 or 2 bullets might stop him from stabbing me in the chest" isn't an option.

He needed to be taken down before he could cause the officer harm.

and given the fact they mentioned he was on hash one or two shots may not of stopped him in his tracks.

there was a video on 'cops' years ago when a guy out of his mind on hash jumped from a second storey of a building to flee the cops, i think he broke his leg but still got up and ran after the fall.

mikom · 13-08-2012 05:28PM

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

and given the fact they mentioned he was on hash one or two shots may not of stopped him in his tracks.

WTF?

PCP hash was it?

Dead Man Walking · 13-08-2012 05:30PM

mikom wrote: »

WTF?

PCP hash was it?

from the article

Kennedy was smoking marijuana near the military recruiting station in Times Square about 3pm on Saturday when officers first approached, police said.

probably skunk hash or similar

mikom · 13-08-2012 05:32PM

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

from the article

probably skunk hash or similar

Crushed up weed tabs.......

Good jaysus.

El Horseboxo · 13-08-2012 05:33PM

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Your Completely wrong, your taught to aim low. shoot to kill is a last resort. Them cops only tried pepper-spray, could/should have shot him in the leg or arm

You are actually wrong. I completed my firearms training program in the US recently and i'm not that long involved in law enforcement. You are trained to aim for the center mass. 2 successive shots, assess the threat and take appropriate action. There is no shoot to kill policy. There is a shoot to stop or eliminate the threat policy however. Which can result in the death of the perpetrator.

I haven't read about this incident but when any officer draws his gun it is not a decision taken lightly and is based on their training involving force continuum. At times what can seem like overkill is because you are trained to shoot until the threat is over. And very often people can be shot a few times before they realize they are shot. This ain't the movies. People don't fall over when shot. Especially people charged up on adrenaline or drugs. People tend to only react and fall down when they see blood. So when you shoot the center mass and the guy is still standing coming at you, you are trained to keep firing. I hope to never need my weapon and despite my training i can't comment on anything with real life experience. But from my training program i understand more why a person can often be shot 6 or 7 times.

gibraltar · 13-08-2012 05:34PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Why not one shot to disable him rather that what sounded like 8-9 shots and killing him?

Ever tried to shoot at a moving target? A lot harder than it looks, also would you take the chance that maybe the only shot you get to fire would disable him?

krudler · 13-08-2012 05:38PM

12 shots to the torso? what if he was a zombie? double tap to the head is the way to go.

Dead Man Walking · 13-08-2012 05:39PM

mikom wrote: »

Crushed up weed tabs.......

Good jaysus.

I dunno. they said he was smoking it, so was probably through a glass pipe bong which i think makes it 4 times stronger and could account for why they had to be sure he was down

gibraltar · 13-08-2012 05:40PM

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Your Completely wrong, your taught to aim low. shoot to kill is a last resort. Them cops only tried pepper-spray, could/should have shot him in the leg or arm

Wrong, the training is to shoot what you have the highest chance of hitting and causing the person to stop, basically aiming for the sternum is statistically the best way to stop someone.

An intentional head or leg shot on a moving target with a handgun is mostly the stuff of computer games.

CatFromHue · 13-08-2012 05:41PM

gibraltar wrote: »

An intentional head or leg shot on a moving target with a handgun is mostly the stuff of computer games.

Thumb shot my man, thumb shot!

Dyr · 13-08-2012 05:42PM

Seaneh wrote: »

according to the report he was shot by two officers, so basically they unloaded their entire clips into his belly.

****ing hell, talk about over kill.

amuse me with your ignorance, how was it overkill? How was it their full clips?

ringadingding · 13-08-2012 05:44PM

walk around with a knife, get shot by Police.

I don't get the discussion.

Knife crime needs to be sorted, what better way.......

Scioch · 13-08-2012 05:45PM

You what bugs me ? I've used cameras before, I've filmed things on my phone. Its not that hard to hold the thing straight ffs.

hoochis · 13-08-2012 05:48PM

Can anyone on here honestly say that they would not empty a clip into someone lunging at them with a knife? These cops probably have families to go home to after their shifts finish.

Pappa Charlie · 13-08-2012 05:50PM

El Horseboxo wrote: »

You are actually wrong. I completed my firearms training program in the US recently and i'm not that long involved in law enforcement. You are trained to aim for the center mass. 2 successive shots, assess the threat and take appropriate action. There is no shoot to kill policy. There is a shoot to stop or eliminate the threat policy however. Which can result in the death of the perpetrator.

I haven't read about this incident but when any officer draws his gun it is not a decision taken lightly and is based on their training involving force continuum. At times what can seem like overkill is because you are trained to shoot until the threat is over. And very often people can be shot a few times before they realize they are shot. This ain't the movies. People don't fall over when shot. Especially people charged up on adrenaline or drugs. People tend to only react and fall down when they see blood. So when you shoot the center mass and the guy is still standing coming at you, you are trained to keep firing. I hope to never need my weapon and despite my training i can't comment on anything with real life experience. But from my training program i understand more why a person can often be shot 6 or 7 times.

Why not tazor him, surely there was a policeman or emergency services unit working around times square with a tazor. it went on for a good few minutes. Its extremely hard to justify 12 rounds. Justice Barr would love this one and might be right this time! First question - Did they offer him any Fags?

mikom · 13-08-2012 05:50PM

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

I dunno. they said he was smoking it, so was probably through a glass pipe bong which i think makes it 4 times stronger and could account for why they had to be sure he was down

Please....

Local-womanizer · 13-08-2012 05:57PM

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Your Completely wrong, your taught to aim low. shoot to kill is a last resort. Them cops only tried pepper-spray, could/should have shot him in the leg or arm

There not, a cop here is trained to shoot for the biggest target area, ie the torso. It is the same with any armed force in the world.

The only way to take him down without shooting would result in the cops getting hurt or passer-bys.

There would be up roar if the man was allowed to stab a civilian before being apprehended.

I urge anyone here who has never fired to weapon, to ask anyone with any experience with weapons, is it easy to take a shot at someones arm or leg when they are moving about, the answer will be the same.

sunflower27 · 13-08-2012 05:59PM

Excessive.

elefant · 13-08-2012 06:00PM

A man lunges towards you with a knife in a place as hugely crowded as Times Square.

I'd have shot him until he definitely was no longer a danger, and in a way so as not to endanger any innocent civilians. I don't blame the police at all in this situation.

SamHarris · 13-08-2012 06:01PM

Important bit most seem to have missed -

According to the police, officers pepper-sprayed Kennedy six times but he held onto the knife throughout, wiping the spray off his face. Finally, he lunged at police and two officers shot him in the torso, police said.

Also, it went on for 7 blocks. It wasnt like he just whipped out a knife and two guys decided to shoot him.

syklops · 13-08-2012 06:01PM

CardBordWindow wrote: »

It would be one thing to fire several shots, if he had a gun. Not much he could do at distance with a knife!

He lunged at a cop. Also at distance he could have thrown it. An 11" knife could seriously injure someone.

Shryke · 13-08-2012 06:02PM

SamHarris wrote: »

Important bit most seem to have missed -

According to the police, officers pepper-sprayed Kennedy six times but he held onto the knife throughout, wiping the spray off his face. Finally, he lunged at police and two officers shot him in the torso, police said.

Also, it went on for 7 blocks. It wasnt like he just whipped out a knife and two guys decided to shoot him.

Hardcore wasn't he?

Shooting in Times Square

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