What makes a good citizen ?

Scioch · 12-08-2012 10:33PM #1

Laws exist to protect people and society. Nobody likes anti social types or those who seek to destroy the nice things we have in society.

Yet to be a perfect law abiding citizen is to be looked down upon as a dry shíte. A lot of people routinely break laws simply because they can. Speeding for instance, most people's attitude to that is do it as long as the cops aint about. Speeding causes a lot of road deaths, we all know this. Yet if you tell someone to slow down your a nosey, interfering dry shíte. Same applies to drugs and drinking related crimes (under age drinking, drunk in public etc).

These things are real problems in society but to even mention not doing them is craziness it seems and will get you dismissed as a loser dry shíte bastard who needs to fcuk off and stop ruining everyone's fun.

Have I been brainwashed by he-man and captain planet into being a loser or is the world just over run with selfish pricks out to take care of themselves without two shíts for anyone else ?

Kirby · 12-08-2012 10:36PM

I hear joining the Mobile Infantry guarantees citizenship....so that's a start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc

CreepingDeath · 12-08-2012 10:37PM

Scioch wrote: »

Yet to be a perfect law abiding citizen is to be looked down upon as a dry shíte.

Says who?
It doesn't take much not to break the law.

Being a perfect citizen though, probably means doing a lot for your community, especially if it's a troubled one.

marshbaboon · 12-08-2012 10:39PM

Kirby wrote: »

I hear joining the Mobile Infantry guarantees citizenship....so that's a start.

Now I have to immediately go watch this Movie again. Cheers.

Eathrin · 12-08-2012 10:39PM

Purposely breaking the law for the sake of not being a "dry shíte" is incredibly juvenile in my opinion.

12-08-2012 10:40PM

You can obey the law to the letter and still be a fairly rubbish citizen. What makes a good citizen is being good to those around you, respecting people, helping others out when you can etc. Thankfully, there are plenty of good citizens around

Gee Bag · 12-08-2012 10:41PM

Kirby wrote: »

I hear joining the Mobile Infantry guarantees citizenship....so that's a start.

Watched it last night for the first time in years last night. Great Show!

Where To · 12-08-2012 10:42PM

People make the best citizens, much better than giraffes anyways.

crazy cabbage · 12-08-2012 10:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You can obey the law to the letter and still be a fairly rubbish citizen. What makes a good citizen is being good to those around you, respecting people, helping others out when you can etc. Thankfully, there are plenty of good citizens around

Then the next logical question has to be is it possible to break the law and still be a 'good citizen'?

Of course it is imo. Some laws are just silly and breaking them can expose/ highlight how silly they are. Anyone else?

Chucken · 12-08-2012 10:44PM

Where To wrote: »

People make the best citizens, much better than giraffes anyways.

Giraffeist :mad:

Scioch · 12-08-2012 10:45PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Says who?
It doesn't take much not to break the law.

Being a perfect citizen though, probably means doing a lot for your community, especially if it's a troubled one.

Says the general consensus as far as I've noticed. Take two thread in AH about under age drinking and working on the dole for example. General consensus in there is that to report under-age drinking or the sale of drink to minors is contemptible. That working while on the dole is perfectly acceptable.

Now this attitude I have come across time and time again in life. Whether in relation to people claiming whatever they could get away with, speeding when the were sure no cops were around, pissing in public whatever the hell. Its was perfectly fine to do those things regardless of the law surrounding them. But not only that, if you reprimand someone for doing it your an oddball or a loser. People see you as weak that you obey the law so strictly.

Scioch · 12-08-2012 10:56PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Then the next logical question has to be is it possible to break the law and still be a 'good citizen'?

Of course it is imo. Some laws are just silly and breaking them can expose/ highlight how silly they are. Anyone else?

There are ways to highlight these things without breaking the law. Breaking the law to highlight it as silly to me sounds a lot like a very convenient way to ignore the rules you dont want to apply to you.

crazy cabbage · 12-08-2012 10:58PM

Scioch wrote: »

There are ways to highlight these things without breaking the law. Breaking the law to highlight it as silly to me sounds a lot like a very convenient way to ignore the rules you dont want to apply to you.

Yea. Your right. That isn't how i wanted it to sound. Should have phrased it differently

question still stands though. Is it possible to be a good citizen and break the law?

NIMAN · 12-08-2012 11:01PM

We have had 3 serious road crashes over the last 24hrs, all single car incidents.

At 3 different occasions today, along the road in front of my house, the same idiot has driven past at around 70mph. He revs the car through the gears like he is at Silverstone, and I can hear him coming from hundreds of yards away, when he turns the corner to come on to the main road, which is about 1km straight.

What does this tube think he is achieving? Does he watch the news? Donegal has a history of young male drivers killing themselves and others on the road from silly driving.

I was considering taking the reg and giving it to the Guards, but I think they will just roll their eyes once I've left the station and do nothing about it. They would probably say "bollix to that dry ****e".

B.A._Baracus · 12-08-2012 11:05PM

There is actually a wikipedia entry on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_citizenship

someone actually created that!?

NIMAN · 12-08-2012 11:06PM

Of course its possible to be a good citizen and break the law.

You can drive 73kmph in a 70 zone.
You can not pay your TV licence.
You can download a music album or a film off the net.

Scioch · 12-08-2012 11:08PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Yea. Your right. That isn't how i wanted it to sound. Should have phrased it differently

question still stands though. Is it possible to be a good citizen and break the law?

Probably if you make up for it in other ways. But most people dont, they just break those laws to benefit themselves in some way.

Most people take care of their own business and keep to themselves in general I think. Out of those people a good citizen to me is someone who respects society and its laws and doesnt add to its problems, possibly someone who helps lessen its problems by helping authorities or whatever.

On the other hand if your ignoring the laws to suit yourself then your not showing respect to society and just adding to its problems.

ygolometsipe · 12-08-2012 11:10PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Of course its possible to be a good citizen and break the law.

You can drive 73kmph in a 70 zone.
You can not pay your TV licence.
You can download a music album or a film off the net.

Not true! copyright is a crime!

All criminals justify their crime's but its still a crime.

which would automatically make you a bad citizen seeing as your not abiding by all laws equally.

eth0 · 12-08-2012 11:11PM

Scioch wrote: »

Yet to be a perfect law abiding citizen is to be looked down upon as a dry shíte. A lot of people routinely break laws simply because they can. Speeding for instance, most people's attitude to that is do it as long as the cops aint about. Speeding causes a lot of road deaths, we all know this. Yet if you tell someone to slow down your a nosey, interfering dry shíte. Same applies to drugs and drinking related crimes (under age drinking, drunk in public etc).

These things are real problems in society but to even mention not doing them is craziness it seems and will get you dismissed as a loser dry shíte bastard who needs to fcuk off and stop ruining everyone's fun.

Have I been brainwashed by he-man and captain planet into being a loser or is the world just over run with selfish pricks out to take care of themselves without two shíts for anyone else ?

The law is a human invention, a rather inflexible thing that attempts to cajole the general public into behaving a certain way regardless of the circumstances. It has its flaws, there are plenty of outdated laws that nobody obeys, ones created just for getting a few votes, some are only there because a politician would be blamed for any subsequent mishaps if he removed the said law. If pellet gun licenses were easier to get for example he'd be blamed for the next 2 year old to get killed or injured by one.

A lot of laws the guards wouldn't even bother with unless an actual 'interfering dry sh1te' called and they were under some obligation to investigate. Usually they can ignore the said dry sh1te but after a few calls being made to Joe Duffy they'd find it hard

ygolometsipe · 12-08-2012 11:15PM

What makes a good citizen ?

ingredients:
1 good male
1 good female
rum
coke
Barry white

hairyprincess · 12-08-2012 11:18PM

Where To wrote: »

People make the best citizens, much better than giraffes anyways.

You bollix, what is your problem with giraffes? Do they emasculate you because they are taller than you and have a bigger willy*?

*so I'm told

eth0 · 12-08-2012 11:18PM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

What makes a good citizen ?

ingredients:
1 good male
1 good female
rum
coke
Barry white

Barry's tae as well. All good citizens drink Barry's, supporting the local economy. You can tell someone's a salt of the earth lad straight away if they bring you a cup of barry's

Scioch · 12-08-2012 11:23PM

eth0 wrote: »

The law is a human invention, a rather inflexible thing that attempts to cajole the general public into behaving a certain way regardless of the circumstances. It has its flaws, there are plenty of outdated laws that nobody obeys, ones created just for getting a few votes, some are only there because a politician would be blamed for any subsequent mishaps if he removed the said law. If pellet gun licenses were easier to get for example he'd be blamed for the next 2 year old to get killed or injured by one.

A lot of laws the guards wouldn't even bother with unless an actual 'interfering dry sh1te' called and they were under some obligation to investigate. Usually they can ignore the said dry sh1te but after a few calls being made to Joe Duffy they'd find it hard

But how do you draw the line between those farcical laws and those necessary laws ? Seems to me most people use what they want as a guide and then do things that way. Which is essentially ignoring the law entirely and creating your own.

In doing that you are undermining the authority that exists to enforce the rest of those laws you feel are necessary. So you dont want to abide by what others think is necessary but want others to enforce what you think is necessary.

girl in the striped socks · 12-08-2012 11:26PM

I didn't pay the household charge.
Sometimes I could be driving 40mph in a 30mph zone.

I also bring my elderly neighbour into town whenever she's stuck for a lift.
I support as many community events & charities as I can.
I generally abide by the law & have respect for people regardless of their sexual orientation, religion, way of life etc once they have respect for me.

I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I do my best & help people & animals when I can.

ygolometsipe · 12-08-2012 11:26PM

eth0 wrote: »

Barry's tae as well. All good citizens drink Barry's, supporting the local economy. You can tell someone's a salt of the earth lad straight away if they bring you a cup of barry's

+1 - Barry is the chronic of the tae!

Lando Griffin · 12-08-2012 11:53PM

I think this thread heck even the whole fourm can be ansewered by typing one name.... Katie Taylor.
She has shon the sporting spotlight sparring in the Olympics, has been an ambasador for this country when we need it most.
She is a beacon of hope for us meer mortals who has worked all her life to acheive her goals.
Im sure when she was asked in school "Katie what do you want to be when you grow up?" she would have replied " An olympic gold medalist in womans boxing" to which the teacher probably a man would have replied "Ha ha there is no hope sure there is NO womans boxing in the olympics so forget about that kind of rubbish and here is a leaflet on nursing courses."
But Katie refused to give up and now touches each and every one of us in a special way.

Kirby · 12-08-2012 11:53PM

Scioch wrote: »

But how do you draw the line between those farcical laws and those necessary laws ? Seems to me most people use what they want as a guide and then do things that way. Which is essentially ignoring the law entirely and creating your own.

In doing that you are undermining the authority that exists to enforce the rest of those laws you feel are necessary. So you dont want to abide by what others think is necessary but want others to enforce what you think is necessary.

Don't agree with that. There are plenty of laws not worth following and they eventually get repealled because of it.

Scioch · 13-08-2012 12:04AM

Kirby wrote: »

Don't agree with that. There are plenty of laws not worth following and they eventually get repealled because of it.

But is you thinking its not worth following justification not to follow it ? Surely you have to accept the authority of the law even if you disagree with it. And if you dont accept its authority in relation what laws that dont suit you then how can you claim it should hold for the rest ?

Thats not to say certain laws wont change or are ill conceived to begin with but there are means by which those laws can be challenged and changed and thats not done by simply ignoring it because you dont like it.

J Mysterio · 13-08-2012 12:12AM

OP is a dry ****e.

J Mysterio · 13-08-2012 12:15AM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

NIMAN wrote: »

Of course its possible to be a good citizen and break the law.

You can drive 73kmph in a 70 zone.
You can not pay your TV licence.
You can download a music album or a film off the net.

Not true! copyright is a crime!

All criminals justify their crime's but its still a crime.

which would automatically make you a bad citizen seeing as your not abiding by all laws equally.

Some laws are bullsh!t and it is the responsibility of a good citizen to challenge them.

Where To · 13-08-2012 12:23AM

hairyprincess wrote: »

You bollix, what is your problem with giraffes? Do they emasculate you because they are taller than you and have a bigger willy*?

*so I'm told

Giraffes think they are they head and shoulders above everyone else. They've some neck to think that.

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