Just a thought on why John F Kennedy was killed

darced wrote: »

Explain to me the magic bullet then not even the trajectory but the pristine condition after smashing two bones making seven wounds after travelling through two bodies,it does'nt make any sense.

There is nothing magical about a high velocity rifle bullet going through the bodies of two men and creating multiple wounds. The 6.5mm round nosed bullet used by the Mannlicher-Carcano is designed to have terrific penetrative ability relative to rounds such as the 7.62mm NATO round or various hunting rounds which tumble or fragment inside the body.

The bullet was not in pristine condition. It was flattened in cross section and the lead core was extruding from the base of the copper jacket.

JFK was seated to the extreme right of the raised rear seat of the limo while Connolly was seated several inches below him and on the left side of the right jumpseat while turned around to his right when the shot struck both men about frame 223 of the Zapruder film.

The bullet fired from above and behind and to the right from the sixth floor of the TSBD hit Kennedy at the base of the back of the neck below the rear of the collar of both his jacket and shirt which were bunched up as he seat in the seat passed to the right of the spine, exited the base of his windpipe and nicked the knot of his neck tie. It hit Connally in the upper back to the rear of his right arm pit and travelled downward and to the left exiting his right chest below the nipple, smashing four inches of his fifth rib. The bullet had yawed and rapidly decelerated and struck the rib sideways which explains the oval cross-section. The bullet was travelling much slower when it passed throug his right wrist. A low speeds full metal jacket bullets can break bones but not sustain significant damage unlike at higher speeds which cause them to mangle significantly. The bullet was tumbling when it lodged base first in the flesh of Connally's left thigh. The bullet had punctured the flesh but was probably sticking out his leg which is why it fell out on the stretcher at Parkland hospital.

The markings on the bullet were matched to Oswald's rifle excluding all other weapons.

Also how could the full 20 or so medical staff at parkland see a wound at the back of his head that is later not in the autopsy?

Kennedy's head was a mass of caked blood, matted hair and a significant portion of brain was extruding from the massive head wound with flaps of skull and scalp were hanging open. It is not unusual at all for emergency doctors to have mistaken view of the wounds in a dead body before the corpse is brought to the autopsy room and properly examined.

The x-rays and photographs of JFK's body at Bethesda Naval Hospital clearly show a wound of entry in the back of Kennedy's neck, the path of the bullet through the neck, the bullet hole in the throat which was expanded so to insert a tube to help the President breath, a small entrance wound in the back of the head around the area of the cowlick and a massive wound in the top front right side of the skull.

The x-rays also show that when the bullet struck the skull it created a bevelled or cone shape in the back of the skull strongly suggesting a wound of entry.

The distribution of fragments in the skull clearly suggest a shot from above and behind.

The crack on the inside of the windshield of the limo, the spatter of blood and brain tissue forward into the jumpseats and into faces of Greer and Kellerman in the front seats and the presence of two large bullet fragments on the left front seat indicate a shot from behind. The explosion of JFK's head in the Zapruder film clearly shows matter shooting from a wound in the front top right of the head.

The position of James Tague, a witnesses wounded on the cheek by a bullet fragment or a piece of concrete shed by kerb hit by a bullet or bullet fragment relative to the limo and the TSBD clearly indicates a shot from the 6th floor.

asherbassad wrote: »

Assassinations and attempts on presidents' live don't happen without facilitation or foreknowledge.
It's not rocket science.
Best way to cover your tracks after committing a crime is to make suckers believe that somebody else did it. Tried and true method.

buried wrote: »

Another book worth checking out for those that are interested, is Paris Flammonde's 'The Kennedy Conspiracy'.
It is Flammonde's 1969 account of the New Orleans investigation of President Kennedy's assassination. The main interest of the book concerns the individuals who revolved around the dual addresses of 531 Lafayette Place and 544 Camp Street.

This milieu was a vio­lently anti-communist, racist and fas­cist organisation inex­tri­ca­bly linked with the covert oper­a­tions against Fidel Castro’s Cuba. Yet the media and judi­cial estab­lish­ments of the United States have gone along with the pre­vail­ing fic­tion that Lee Har­vey Oswald was a pro-Castro com­mu­nist sym­pa­thiser, whose “Fair Play for Cuba” orga­ni­za­tion oper­ated out of those dual addresses.

Describ­ing the begin­nings of New Orleans DA Jim Garrison’s inves­ti­ga­tion, Paris tells how the dis­trict attor­ney focused on Guy Bannister’s detec­tive agency and its employee David Fer­rie. It out­lines the dual addresses 531 Lafayette Place, 544 Camp Street. One was the address on Lee Har­vey Oswald’s “Fair Play for Cuba Com­mit­tee” literature where Oswald was its only mem­ber. The other was the address of Guy Bannister’s detec­tive agency, which served as an epi­cen­ter of the para­mil­i­tary covert oper­a­tions against Fidel Cas­tro. Both of the addresses were entrances to the same building! The New Orleans DA found this to be highly suspicious. Ban­nis­ter worked as a FBI Spe­cial Agent and he was in charge of Chicago office of FBI. Even­tu­ally, Ban­nis­ter (who had also worked for Naval Intel­li­gence) moved to New Orleans and served in the law enforce­ment there.

Paris also studies the back­ground of New Orleans Mafia capo Car­los Marcello—born in North Africa of Sicil­ian background. Even­tu­ally, Mar­cello became New Orleans capo (Mafia member who heads a 'crew') Attor­ney Gen­eral Robert Kennedy went after this pow­er­ful capo, hav­ing Mar­cello deported to Guatemala. Marcello’s influ­ence extended to Dal­las. The House Select Com­mit­tee on Assas­si­na­tions impli­cated Mar­cello in the assas­si­na­tion. David Fer­rie worked as an inves­ti­ga­tor for Guy Ban­nis­ter, and also worked for Car­los Mar­cello. Oswald also had links to Fer­rie, dat­ing back to their time together in the Civil Air Patrol along with the likes of Barry Seal. Oswald was part of his unit. Paris relates that Fer­rie ran guns for Cas­tro and then turned against him. Fer­rie may have asso­ci­ated with Mafia lord San­tos Traf­fi­cante and anti-Castro Cuban Ser­gio Arcacha Smith.

It is a brilliant book, it first opened my eyes to the shocking lies and supressed information in the assassination concerning the "Oswald the Commie" theory and strengthens the case that there was plenty of other vicous people involved than just Oswald, people that were then currently or formerly in the employment of the intelligence services of the United States. Its worth noting that Garrison believed Oswald was the lone killer until he investigated the case and eventually came to the conclusion that Oswald was a patsy.

If you are interested in the assassination then have a search for this book, it has since become out of print, but it is worth the search and price.

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Thomas Hale Boggs


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Thomas Hale Boggs was born in Long Beach, Mississippi, on 15th February, 1914. He graduated from the law department of Tulane University in 1935 and soon afterwards started work as a lawyer in New Orleans.
A member of the Democratic Party he was elected to Congress and served from January 1941 to January 1943. He left politics in 1943 to enlist in the United States Naval Reserve and served in the Potomac River Naval Command during the rest of the Second World War.
After the war Boggs returned to politics and in January 1946 was once again elected to the Senate. He held several posts including majority whip, chairman of the Special Committee on Campaign Expenditures and majority leader.
On the death of John F. Kennedy in 1963 his deputy, Lyndon B. Johnson, was appointed president. He immediately set up a commission to "ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy." Boggs was invited to join the commission under the chairmanship of Earl Warren. Other members of the commission included Richard B. Russell, Gerald Ford, Allen W. Dulles, John J. McCloy and John S. Cooper.
The Warren Commission reported to President Johnson ten months later. It reached the following conclusions:
(1) The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository.
(2) The weight of the evidence indicates that there were three shots fired.
(3) Although it is not necessary to any essential findings of the Commission to determine just which shot hit Governor Connally, there is very persuasive evidence from the experts to indicate that the same bullet which pierced the President's throat also caused Governor Connally's wounds. However, Governor Connally's testimony and certain other factors have given rise to some difference of opinion as to this probability but there is no question in the mind of any member of the Commission that all the shots which caused the President's and Governor Connally's wounds were fired from the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.
(4) The shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald.
(5) Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit approximately 45 minutes after the assassination.
(6) Within 80 minutes of the assassination and 35 minutes of the Tippit killing Oswald resisted arrest at the theater by attempting to shoot another Dallas police officer.
(7) The Commission has found no evidence that either Lee Harvey Oswald or Jack Ruby was part of any conspiracy, domestic or foreign, to assassinate President Kennedy.
(8) In its entire investigation the Commission has found no evidence of conspiracy, subversion, or disloyalty to the US Government by any Federal, State, or local official.
(9) On the basis of the evidence before the Commission it concludes that, Oswald acted alone.
Boggs had doubts that John F. Kennedy and J. D. Tippit had been killed by Lee Harvey Oswald and that Jack Ruby was not part of any conspiracy." According to Bernard Fensterwald: "Almost from the beginning, Congressman Boggs had been suspicious over the FBI and CIA's reluctance to provide hard information when the Commission's probe turned to certain areas, such as allegations that Oswald may have been an undercover operative of some sort. When the Commission sought to disprove the growing suspicion that Oswald had once worked for the FBI, Boggs was outraged that the only proof of denial that the FBI offered was a brief statement of disclaimer by J. Edgar Hoover. It was Hale Boggs who drew an admission from Allen Dulles that the CIA's record of employing someone like Oswald might be so heavily coded that the verification of his service would be almost impossible for outside investigators to establish."
It has been claimed by John Judge that when Alan Dulles was asked by Hale Boggs about releasing the evidence, he replied, "Go ahead and print it, nobody will read it anyway."
According to one of his friends: "Hale felt very, very torn during his work (on the Commission)... he wished he had never been on it and wished he'd never signed it (the Warren Report)." Another former aide argued that, "Hale always returned to one thing: Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it."
Thomas Hale Boggs disappeared while on a campaign flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska, on 16th October, 1972. Also killed in the accident was Nick Begich, a member of the House of Representatives. No bodies were ever found and in 1973 his wife, Lindy Boggs, was elected in her husband's place.
The Los Angeles Star, on November 22, 1973, reported that before his death Boggs claimed he had "startling revelations" on Watergate and the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

there are no fragments missing from the supposed bullet

20 or so medical staff were not all wrong about the head wound some of them were inches from it,connelly himself stated he turned to his right as he heard shots fired and as he looked back he was hit,the zapruder film shows kennedy is already hit as connelly looks to his right.

Treora wrote: »

I saw no posts proposing that LHO or Ruby were hired. Most with a view counter to yours probably think that they were used and manipulated without their knowledge through their egos and networks.