Oliver Cromwell: Son Of A Bitch

Me_Grapes · 11-08-2012 04:56AM #1

Just looking at the 'people who should be assassinited' thread......and not one person has mentioned auld Ollie. Sure, even Daniel O'Donnell got an assassination wish for god sake.

Does anyone else not think he gets an easy ride in the histroy books? For me he's right up there in the asshole stakes with Hitler, Mussoloni, Stalin, Pol Pot and Ryan Turbity.

The man wished the elimination..... and even worse wished emigration to Connaught for all Irish people.

Yet the man is given an almost hero status in Britian, and his desire for the murder of all Irish men, women and childern is brushed under the carpet when teaching the kids in British schools about the bollix.

All in all, I think the man is a bit of a granny fanny.

Agree?

MadsL · 11-08-2012 05:07AM

You know, that search thread button is useful.

Qualitymark wrote: »

Hmm. Saul of Tarsus, aka St Paul, probably set up the largest amount of bloodletting in the world; a good candidate (if you think assassination is a good idea, which I don't, but I'll play this game for now).

Genghis Khan, who had all men taller than the axle of an oxcart killed in every country he invaded.

Hernando da Soto, whose pigs spread viruses that killed off most of the indigenous population of North America.

Stalin, whose mass deportations, agricultural craziness and extermination of the kulaks (big farmers) killed millions.

Hitler, and all who rode with him, natch, and Mao and Pol Pot - and also those who set up the conditions that made people want to follow them. By the same token, those who negotiated the Versailles 'agreement' ending the Great War. And the stupid Kaiser. And the British and Turkish imperialists battling for world control. And the British who addicted the Chinese to opium, wrecked their economy by stealing their tea secrets. And and and

Wait... I'd forgotten Ireland. Dermot MacMurrough, certainly. Cuchulainn, nasty little pet-killing creep. King James, Chichester, Cromwell, most of Grattan's parliament. Every English tax-maker that invented a tariff impoverishing Ireland. Spencer, Ralegh. That useless creep Bonnie Prince Charlie. The quarrelsome chieftains who failed to unite. The Icelander who killed Brian Boru, who could have united the country and caused it to change to a country of unity rather than a series of hegemonies. Trevalyan. The Famine Queen. Those who profited from 1916 and stampeded over the dead, to positions of privilege. Those who drove out the left wing during and after the Civil War. Those who used that Civil War to avenge personal slights and fatally express personal enmities.

Those who reacted to the awful crime that was 9/11 as if it were an act of war rather than a crime by a small group of homicidal maniacs.

Those who wiped out the Neanderthals. Those responsible for the danger to climate that looks quite likely to end human life on this planet within the next 50 to 100 years.

Ooops, for a pacifist I'm getting into this a bit too much. Will stop now.

Me_Grapes · 11-08-2012 05:16AM

MadsL wrote: »

You know, that search thread button is useful.

One person.

Thats as many people as who wanted Wile E. Coyote whacked.

jayteecork · 11-08-2012 05:18AM

He was grand.

marketty · 11-08-2012 05:33AM

I could be wrong on this but I'm fairly sure he's already dead

DEFTLEFTHAND · 11-08-2012 05:35AM

Bloody republican if there ever was such a thing.

MadsL · 11-08-2012 05:36AM

Probably too obvious a choice, not worth a thread I reckon.

In fairness he didn't much like royalty, him and Gerry would have got on grand.

Wompa1 · 11-08-2012 05:36AM

In fairness to him, he was right about the Catholic church but yeah...some f**ker. It's amazing that he's still so hated by the Irish of today. Seems like the rest of the world has let it go but we're rightly not forgetting what he did..the prick

MadsL · 11-08-2012 05:48AM

Bloody New Model Army fans and their clogs!

RobbingBandit · 11-08-2012 06:43AM

No one mentioned Edward Carson or Lord Cornwallis neither and those two fcukers would be at least two thirds up the Cromwell ladder. Who gives a damn though all three of these kunts are rotting in the ground now, let's focus our hatred on rappers and politicians not on dead Huns.

mathepac · 11-08-2012 07:18AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Bloody republican if there ever was such a thing.

Revered by the Brits whose double standards won't allow anyone to refer to him as a republican terrorist, racist, genocidal maniac or persecutor of the English.

mfceiling · 11-08-2012 07:20AM

Son of a bitch?

Not really sure....I never knew his mother

Grayson · 11-08-2012 09:28AM

mathepac wrote: »

Revered by the Brits whose double standards won't allow anyone to refer to him as a republican terrorist, racist, genocidal maniac or persecutor of the English.

I've seen a lot ofg stuff in the UK media over the last few years about him. He was a bastard and they know it. I believe 1/3 of their population died in the civil war. And far more brits were killed or sent off to penal colonies than irish.

His dealings in ireland were either better or on a par with his behaviour in the UK.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 11-08-2012 09:32AM

He was a cunt.

mattjack · 11-08-2012 09:33AM

Me_Grapes wrote: »

Just looking at the 'people who should be assassinited' thread......and not one person has mentioned auld Ollie. Sure, even Daniel O'Donnell got an assassination wish for god sake.

Does anyone else not think he gets an easy ride in the histroy books? For me he's right up there in the asshole stakes with Hitler, Mussoloni, Stalin, Pol Pot and Ryan Turbity.

The man wished the elimination..... and even worse wished emigration to Connaught for all Irish people.

Yet the man is given an almost hero status in Britian, and his desire for the murder of all Irish men, women and childern is brushed under the carpet when teaching the kids in British schools about the bollix.

All in all, I think the man is a bit of a granny fanny.

Agree?

A what ? Granny fanny ?
At the moment the gob****e who started his lawnmower two doors up from me at 8.30 this morning is top of my list.

Mr. CooL ICE · 11-08-2012 09:36AM

Me_Grapes wrote: »

The man wished the elimination..... and even worse wished emigration to Connaught for all Irish people.

Did he? Are you sure?

MadsL · 11-08-2012 09:38AM

mathepac wrote: »

Revered by the Brits whose double standards won't allow anyone to refer to him as a republican terrorist, racist, genocidal maniac or persecutor of the English.

Now who is being racist?

However, Cromwell's reputation was indelibly stained by notorious massacres at Drogheda and Wexford, which have lived on in Irish folk memory, making his name into one of the most hated in Irish history.

http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/oliver-cromwell.htm

The Big Question: Was Cromwell a revolutionary hero or a genocidal war criminal?

IrishAm · 11-08-2012 09:41AM

Rabid republican, racial beliefs, hated the British monarchy, supported the death penalty.

Reminds me of someone.....

:pac:

Duggy747 · 11-08-2012 09:46AM

Oliver Cùntwell, more like.

mike65 · 11-08-2012 09:47AM

Todays Brit bash thread has started early and yet is rather too quiet for comfort....where is everyone? Oh its Saturday, they're all in bed.

Quatermain · 11-08-2012 09:47AM

As I recall, there was an occasion when the new left-wing government of England was settling in, they took down a painting of Disraeli in the main meeting room, which deeply offended a particular embassy, and put up one of Cromwell. The very first meeting they had was with an Irish diplomat. Awkwardness reigned.

Not actually hating. I just think that's hilarious.

donegal_road · 11-08-2012 09:51AM

my Great, g, g, g, g, g grandfather was the last Irish chieftain to be hanged as a rebel by Cromwell in 1653 (not joking)

Colmustard · 11-08-2012 09:54AM

Cromwell was a cnut, but so where most leaders back then, that is the way warfare was fought, general slaughters and conquering.

Genocide is only a modern word around since the end of WW2 up to then no-one cared, except the victims of course. Genocide was just seen as part of warfare. There were no accepted rules of war or war crimes.

So in a modern sense Cromwell was a cnut and a war criminal. But back then, its still controversial, he did kill a king to become a king, but he strengthened the power parliament and germinated the seed of parliamentary representative democracy as we know it today and forever ended the god given divine rights of kings.

So history will forever be controversial when it comes to Oliver.

Cú Giobach · 11-08-2012 09:59AM

mike65 wrote: »

Todays Brit bash thread has started early and yet is rather too quiet for comfort....where is everyone? Oh its Saturday, they're all in bed.

The literal Brit bashing should happen around 20:45 this evening, hopefully.

NinjaK · 11-08-2012 10:22AM

Me_Grapes wrote: »

Just looking at the 'people who should be assassinited' thread......and not one person has mentioned auld Ollie. Sure, even Daniel O'Donnell got an assassination wish for god sake.

Does anyone else not think he gets an easy ride in the histroy books? For me he's right up there in the asshole stakes with Hitler, Mussoloni, Stalin, Pol Pot and Ryan Turbity.

The man wished the elimination..... and even worse wished emigration to Connaught for all Irish people.

Yet the man is given an almost hero status in Britian, and his desire for the murder of all Irish men, women and childern is brushed under the carpet when teaching the kids in British schools about the bollix.

All in all, I think the man is a bit of a granny fanny.

Agree?

boards is full of west brits, they probably support what he did

Colmustard · 11-08-2012 10:23AM

NinjaK wrote: »

boards is full of west brits, they probably support what he did

I'm more an East Brit.

Wibbs · 11-08-2012 10:34AM

Colmustard wrote: »

Cromwell was a cnut, but so where most leaders back then, that is the way warfare was fought, general slaughters and conquering.

At times compared to some in his army he was a better bet

So history will forever be controversial when it comes to Oliver.

+1

Cú Giobach · 11-08-2012 10:36AM

AEDIC · 11-08-2012 10:48AM

Me_Grapes wrote: »

Just looking at the 'people who should be assassinited' thread......and not one person has mentioned auld Ollie. Sure, even Daniel O'Donnell got an assassination wish for god sake.

Does anyone else not think he gets an easy ride in the histroy books? For me he's right up there in the asshole stakes with Hitler, Mussoloni, Stalin, Pol Pot and Ryan Turbity.

The man wished the elimination..... and even worse wished emigration to Connaught for all Irish people.

Yet the man is given an almost hero status in Britian, and his desire for the murder of all Irish men, women and childern is brushed under the carpet when teaching the kids in British schools about the bollix.

All in all, I think the man is a bit of a granny fanny.

Agree?

Huh?? The man was as big a cnut over there as he was here..... not sure that he has hero status anywhere.

Colmustard · 11-08-2012 10:59AM

I am following that Sky Atlantic series the Borgias, it dramatises, the selling of indulgences, the power struggles, the hypocrisy and general C church corruption. t's a camp show and not terribly accurate but the gist of the church back then is all there.

Now on mature recollection of history us Irish should have went with Cromwell and Protestantism or puritanism, that would have saved us a lot of bother which still effects us today.

So all the Irish back then should have joined Oliver's army.

Duckworth_Luas · 11-08-2012 11:02AM

Colmustard wrote: »

I am following that Sky Atlantic series the Borgias, it dramatises, the selling of indulgences, the power struggles, the hypocrisy and general C church corruption. t's a camp show and not terribly accurate but the gist of the church back then is all there.

Now on mature recollection of history us Irish should have went with Cromwell and Protestantism or puritanism, that would have saved us a lot of bother which still effects us today.

So all the Irish back then should have joined Oliver's army.

Oh for ****s sake!!!!!!! I've read some stupid **** on Boards but this is the Katie Taylor gold medal winner!

Oliver Cromwell: Son Of A Bitch

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