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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #782
    haulagebasher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭haulagebasher


    karma_ wrote: »
    Is not Orangism British nationalism? Or are you placing the entire blame for the troubled history of this island squarely on those of the Irish nationalist persuasion?

    No its not. Only in NI and some in Scotland. Virtually absent from England & Wales. It is a tribute to William of Orange, not British nationalism. Go read up on it and educate yourself. Having said that, there are a fair amount of flutes [and flutes as in instruments] in that organisation too. However the Catholic pastime of constantly protraying them as "the Bogey Man" is not justifyable either.


  • #783
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    haulagebasher wrote: »
    No its not. Only in NI and some in Scotland. Virtually absent from England & Wales. It is a tribute to William of Orange, not British nationalism. Go read up on it and educate yourself. Having said that, there are a fair amount of flutes [and flutes as in instruments] in that organisation too. However the Catholic pastime of constantly protraying them as "the Bogey Man" is not justifyable either.

    I think it's yourself who needs to educate yourself on it mate. Takes two to tango and all that.


  • #784
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    "ignoring law and order"

    Lol.

    Its a bloody sign not as if the Armagh Sniper is coming out of retirement or they are running around the place looting.

    Besides, when "law and order" has been an enemy for generations, a tool used to make you a second class citizen in your own country and as you've resisted it taking down a sign is hardly a big deal. These "law and order" junkies must lose their heads and frantically ring the cops if someone breaks a traffic light or drops a wrapper.


  • #785
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    "ignoring law and order"

    Lol.

    Its a bloody sign not as if the Armagh Sniper is coming out of retirement or they are running around the place looting.

    Besides, when "law and order" has been an enemy for generations, a tool used to make you a second class citizen in your own country and as you've resisted it taking down a sign is hardly a big deal. These "law and order" junkies must lose their heads and frantically ring the cops if someone breaks a traffic light or drops a wrapper.
    Well in all fairness and not to take away from your post, but it is a very slippery slope that could easily lead to horrific scenes such as this around the country.


  • #786
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    'I support the efforts of people to escape East Berlin but they shouldn't have caused criminal damage to that barbed wire' :mad:




    :pac:


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  • #787
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    'I support the efforts of people to escape East Berlin but they shouldn't have caused criminal damage to that barbed wire' :mad:

    :pac:

    Hmm - by that logic - you reckon that it's rather more important to take offence at the boundaries of your nation/state/jurisdiction/territory being signposted with it's agreed name, than it is to contain the urge to nick/vandalise said signage?


  • #788
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Are they not?

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3390/4554297241_fa160941f4_z.jpg

    http://homepage.eircom.net/~sligochapter/welcome%20to%20sligo.jpg

    Maybe we should have a "Welcome to County Armagh" sign then instead of the clearly provocative Northern Ireland ones?


  • #789
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    lugha wrote: »
    True, I er, agree. Unfortunately, according to the of likes of Cu and Chuck and others, all of this is rather pointless.

    The nationalists (close to 100% of them) who agreed to accept for now, the state of Northern Ireland didn’t really agree because they were really only endorsing the bits of GFA that they liked. And they sure do not like partition.

    So of course, not being hypocrites, the lads certainly won’t have any objections to the unionists (about 50%) who agreed to accept a united Ireland when a majority in NI want it, reneging on this as the unionists weren’t too gone on that part of GFA? :pac:

    If only people would agree to the agreements that they agreed with! :cool:

    Actually many unionists will vote against unity in the referenda. Agreeing to the GFA doesn't take away that right.


  • #790
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    No need for “Welcome to Northern Ireland” signs. You know you’ve crossed the border by the standard of literacy. Here’s a billboard spotted yesterday just over the border, south of Newry on the Dublin Road (B113):
    http://i47.tinypic.com/152fa55.jpg[/IMG]
    Yes, you read it correctly. It does say SREEET. And those letters are about 20cm in height.
    What kind of signwriter could miss that??? :):D


  • #791
    getzls
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    SaoriseBiker wrote: »
    Pedantic point but under EU law it is legal currency even in the streling area and has to be accepted.

    Wrong. The Euro dosen't have to be accepted.


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  • #792
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    getzls wrote: »
    Wrong. The Euro dosen't have to be accepted.

    Nor do Northern Irish notes tbh - they're not actually legal tender outside NI.


  • #793
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    lugha wrote: »
    True, I er, agree. Unfortunately, according to the of likes of Cu and Chuck and others, all of this is rather pointless.

    The nationalists (close to 100% of them) who agreed to accept for now, the state of Northern Ireland didn’t really agree because they were really only endorsing the bits of GFA that they liked. And they sure do not like partition.

    So of course, not being hypocrites, the lads certainly won’t have any objections to the unionists (about 50%) who agreed to accept a united Ireland when a majority in NI want it, reneging on this as the unionists weren’t too gone on that part of GFA? :pac:

    If only people would agree to the agreements that they agreed with! :cool:
    I am going to ask you one more time, now "put up or shut up".
    What part of the GFA do I not agree with or accept??


  • #794
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    Nor do Northern Irish notes tbh - they're not actually legal tender outside NI.

    Bollox.
    Northern Ireland banknotes Banknotes issued by Northern Ireland banks have the same legal status as Scottish banknotes in that they are promissory notes issued in pounds sterling and may be used for cash transactions anywhere in the United Kingdom. However, they are rarely seen outside Northern Ireland and in England and Wales, although they could be accepted by any store, are often not accepted without some explanation. [18] As with Scottish notes, clearing banks and building societies will accept them. Northern Ireland sterling banknotes should not be confused with the Irish pound (or Punt), the former currency of the Republic of Ireland, which was replaced by the euro in 1999.


  • #795
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Bollox.

    Not bollox at all.
    Are Scottish & Northern Ireland notes "legal tender"?
    In short ‘No’ these notes are not "legal tender"; furthermore, Bank of England notes are only legal tender in England and Wales. Legal tender has, however, a very narrow technical meaning in relation to the settlement of debt. If a debtor pays in legal tender the exact amount he/she owes under the terms of a contract (and in accordance with its terms), or pays this amount into court, he/she has good defence in law if he/she is sued for non-payment of the debt.
    In ordinary everyday transactions, the term "legal tender" in its purest sense need not govern a note's acceptability in transactions. The acceptability of a Scottish or Northern Ireland note as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved. If both parties are in agreement, Scottish and Northern Ireland notes can be used in England and Wales. Holders of genuine Scottish and Northern Ireland notes are provided with a level of protection similar to that provided to holders of Bank of England notes. This is because the issuing banks must back their note issue using a combination of Bank of England notes, UK coin and funds in an interest bearing bank account at the Bank of England. More information on these arrangements can be found at
    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/Pages/about/scottish_northernireland.aspx
    Bank of England notes are the only banknotes that are legal tender in England and Wales. Scottish and Northern Ireland banknotes are not legal tender anywhere, and Jersey, Guernsey and Manx banknotes are only legal tender in their respective jurisdictions. The fact that these banknotes are not legal tender in the UK does not however mean that they are illegal under English law, and creditors and traders may accept them if they so choose. Traders may, on the other hand, choose not to accept banknotes as payment as contract law across the United Kingdom allows parties not to engage in a transaction at the point of payment if they choose not to.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_pound_sterling

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/7203378.stm


  • #796
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    Not bollox at all.

    Well if that is true, I've got to hand t to you.

    I never not once, had any issue changing first trust, northern bank, Ulster bank, or BOI £ anywhere in the world (including USA and Australia)

    I.thought I'd have trouble changing them/spending them my first time in London, but that was no problem either.

    I've got to hand it to you, but i suppose your source of the bank of England would be a better one than wikipedia.

    I apologise Alastair.


  • #797
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Well if that is true, I've got to hand t to you.

    I never not once, had any issue changing first trust, northern bank, Ulster bank, or BOI £ anywhere in the world (including USA and Australia)

    I.thought I'd have trouble changing them/spending them my first time in London, but that was no problem either.

    I've got to hand it to you, but i suppose your source of the bank of England would be a better one than wikipedia.

    I apologise Alastair.

    No worries. I've had NI notes refused in England, and gave up bothering to bring any to England or Scotland years ago. More trouble than they're worth in my experience.


  • #798
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Well if that is true, I've got to hand t to you.

    I never not once, had any issue changing first trust, northern bank, Ulster bank, or BOI £ anywhere in the world (including USA and Australia)

    I.thought I'd have trouble changing them/spending them my first time in London, but that was no problem either.

    I've got to hand it to you, but i suppose your source of the bank of England would be a better one than wikipedia.

    I apologise Alastair.


    Ive had Ulster Bank notes refused in Scotland


  • #799
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Edit.

    Bank of England seen to contradict themselves here.

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/Pages/localcurrencies/default.aspx

    And here?

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/Pages/about/scottish_northernireland.aspx


    No, sorry, i see. Authorised to issue the notes, but they do not legally need to be accepted outside the areas issued.

    Learn something new everyday.


  • #800
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    About notes. Any shop can refuse just as they can refuse a dirty fiver - because no customer will accept it from them.

    All banks should take them. If you walk into any bank in England they will change them for Bank of England notes.


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