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Drogheda on the broadband?

  • 18-11-2011 7:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 13


    What with all this newfangled interest towards Drogheda from RTE and the like, would it not be a nice little publicity stunt for UPC to cable up our town and maybe make a few jobs in the process? At the moment Drogheda is stuck with 24 mb at most, which costs too much for most people.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    n00bizme wrote: »
    What with all this newfangled interest towards Drogheda from RTE and the like, would it not be a nice little publicity stunt for UPC to cable up our town and maybe make a few jobs in the process? At the moment Drogheda is stuck with 24 mb at most, which costs too much for most people.
    I've heard of no interest from UPC up to now on this. The two largest towns in Ireland will continue with no alternative to the miles of copper phoneline used for most homes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 pvt


    so basically, 24 mb package is the fastest one can get in Drogheda? That's not fun...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    And only if you live near the exchange on Patrick St. As the distance increases (and the way the phone wires cross the river in particular if you're on the southside), the maximum speed really falls off.

    The title doesn't mention anything about UPC and drogheda, could it be changed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    I heard this was due to UPC being blocked at Balbriggan from laying further. Dundalk has an ESB fibre optic Exchange not available to residential :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭positron


    pvt wrote: »
    so basically, 24 mb package is the fastest one can get in Drogheda? That's not fun...

    Pfft, you will get no sympathy here mate, I am getting all of amazing 2.4 mbps (while paying for 8mbps) here in southside of the town. What would you do with 24 mbps anyway?!

    /sarcasm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    MugMugs wrote: »
    I heard this was due to UPC being blocked at Balbriggan from laying further. Dundalk has an ESB fibre optic Exchange not available to residential :(
    UPC haven't bothered their asses from investing further north. Blocked indeed! There's UPC cable in Navan sure and that's further north than Balbriggan and nearly as far as Drogheda.

    It's a legacy issue, cable was never laid back in the 80s in Dundalk or Drogheda as aerials could pick up the then 6 channels. And when digital TV came along and it became more expensive to build networks from scratch and with the superior service offered by sky all came along, there never was much desire to roll out cable when MMDS would do the job for Chorus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 n00bizme


    I would change the title, but seeing as I'm new and have no idea how to, I can't. I heard something about moderators being able to?

    Also, to stay on topic with the thread, there is fast internet in Drogheda. Problem is, it costs 1299 euro a month for 100MB internet. I would link to the site but it seems to have escaped my memory at the moment. It's that wireless internet that goes through dishes.

    ( and no, the 1299 is not the install fee, the install fee is seperate from montlhy price )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    You missing a decimal place there? 12.99?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭LH2011


    n00bizme wrote: »
    I would change the title, but seeing as I'm new and have no idea how to, I can't. I heard something about moderators being able to?

    Also, to stay on topic with the thread, there is fast internet in Drogheda. Problem is, it costs 1299 euro a month for 100MB internet. I would link to the site but it seems to have escaped my memory at the moment. It's that wireless internet that goes through dishes.

    ( and no, the 1299 is not the install fee, the install fee is seperate from montlhy price )


    you are probably thinking of airspeed, www.airspeed.ie install fee is between 1000-3000 depending on kit used.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭pippam


    pvt wrote: »
    so basically, 24 mb package is the fastest one can get in Drogheda? That's not fun...

    Who provides 24 MB in Drogheda?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 pvt


    eircom has such package, it costs 80 euro (just the broadband). Speed measured with speedtest.net is about 12-14 mb (depending on the time of the day). Actual download speed is about 800-900kbps. Actual upload speed on average is 72 kbps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    I tried to get 24mb with eircom on both sides of town, couldnt get it. Its not worth it anyway. You will never see 24mb, 16 is the highest ive ever seen anyone get, and thats pretty good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭sarahbro


    Possibly slightly off topic but i read somewhere that there was free wifi now available on west st and Laurence st??
    It's to do with the local heroes project?
    Can't find it anywhere while on town? (and i work in the middle of west st!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    sarahbro wrote: »
    Possibly slightly off topic but i read somewhere that there was free wifi now available on west st and Laurence st??
    It's to do with the local heroes project?
    Can't find it anywhere while on town? (and i work in the middle of west st!)

    That was ment to be launched the other day. It will prop take a while before its up and running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 pvt


    Is that free wifi internet working for you, guys? Saw a big sticker on the door to the shopping centre, but haven't got a chance to used it, yet. Is it any fast?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭sarahbro


    pvt wrote: »
    Is that free wifi internet working for you, guys? Saw a big sticker on the door to the shopping centre, but haven't got a chance to used it, yet. Is it any fast?

    I've only been on it on my phone. speed is grand just keeps knocking me off line every while


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36 BlueArsedFly


    Buy a smart phone.

    Sign up with 3.

    Get a month's free internet with unlimited data, free calls to 3 & free texts to any network when you top up by €20 a month.

    Set your phone up as a router.

    Only 3mb download speeds, but can't beat another bill less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    Can anyone advise on decent BB for Grange Rath? I moved in a month ago, ordered digiweb before I moved in, still haven't got it, so im considering cancelling the order in a favour of eircom. 8mb NGB. works out about the same price i was going to pay digiweb, plus i might get better service.

    Anyone got any advise?


  • Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭glack


    im using vodafone - €40 per month for up to 8mb ngb. includes free evening and weekend calls to landlines and 200min off peak calls to vodafone mobiles too. works well for me in grange rath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    The speed any house can get is dependant on the cables installed and the distance from the exchange. Eircoms next gen 8mb nonsense doesn't mean you will get 8mb just that you 'could' get it IF it's available which in most parts of the country it isn't.

    Replacing cables and exchanges is a supremely expensive business and no one can really afford it except in city centres.

    Other factors that can affect your speed are spliter you use for the phone and internet, these cancel out interference and better ones can make a difference.

    As all people say, even IF you were within 1m of an exchange you'd never get 8mb all other things being perfect. It would be 6-7.5mb at best subject to interference and cabling issues.

    I think the average is about 2.6mb which is what I get around Drogheda and to be honest we are lucky to get that. Further down the road your limited to 1mb or less as you enter the wilds of the country.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Darksaga87 wrote: »
    Can anyone advise on decent BB for Grange Rath? I moved in a month ago, ordered digiweb before I moved in, still haven't got it, so im considering cancelling the order in a favour of eircom. 8mb NGB. works out about the same price i was going to pay digiweb, plus i might get better service.

    Anyone got any advise?

    I have the Eircom 8mb NGB pack and it is bulletproof as the estate more or less sits on the exchange. Download speeds are around 700kb or so and I have never had slow downs. I would not touch Digiweb unless a decent fixed line option was unavailable, which in your case it should be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    delly wrote: »
    I have the Eircom 8mb NGB pack and it is bulletproof as the estate more or less sits on the exchange. Download speeds are around 700kb or so and I have never had slow downs. I would not touch Digiweb unless a decent fixed line option was unavailable, which in your case it should be.

    Why would digiweb be no good for up here? Would eircom be worth the extra few quid?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    There service is wireless which is inferior to a fixed line alternative. If you found it to be a lot cheaper then fair enough, but if costs are the same I wouldn't see why you would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    No its DSL (phone line) with digiweb. Cant get the metro (wireles) signal up here.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Ah sorry, my mistake. I've only ever known Digiweb to do wireless, so I stand corrected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Mylow


    Darksaga87 wrote: »
    Can anyone advise on decent BB for Grange Rath? I moved in a month ago, ordered digiweb before I moved in, still haven't got it, so im considering cancelling the order in a favour of eircom. 8mb NGB. works out about the same price i was going to pay digiweb, plus i might get better service.

    Anyone got any advise?

    I had ADSL with UTV but decided to change to Vodafone...it has been a disaster.....If you can get ADSL with UTV take it. I was with Digiweb afew years ago in Grange Rath...it was rubbish then (2007)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    Got digiweb set up today, its 8 mb.

    If it remains at this quality, I wont have a problem with them. I had wimax a year ago and the speeds were great for about a week, then it just dropped like a brick from overselling i presume.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    I see Digiweb are doing 30mb now for €30/month...

    anyone use this? any good?

    What always turned me off digiweb was the caps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    Scotty # wrote: »
    I see Digiweb are doing 30mb now for €30/month...

    anyone use this? any good?

    What always turned me off digiweb was the caps.

    afaik, in Drogheda the max you can get is 8mb.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    The 30mb digiweb product is with Metro and the cap is lamentable.

    The Digiweb in 2007 in Grange Rath were supplying broadband with wireless technology with far less spectrum (i.e. wireless broadcasting space) than Metro. And as half the estate wanted broadband, it was heavily oversubscribed and worked poorly. I suffered from the same thing in Monasterboice at the time as so much of rural south Louth couldn't get DSL at the time.

    Lantus is wide of the mark. With nearly every line I've seen with attenuation under 30 (i.e. less than 2km-ish long) the 8 mbps speed is reached. Which is 7 mbps in reality thanks to extra data used up for connection purposes etc.

    Also, city centres are often more expensive to work in due to age of ducting, limited capacity of ducting and it being more difficult to arrange digging on roads and so on. There's other technical reasons too. All it requires is space in the ducting to the roadside cabinets from the exchange, electricity supply, and 100 or 200 served lines in the vicinity. A big housing estate in Bettystown would qualify for that kind of service as much as one in Blanchardstown would.


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭kormak


    what options are available to business broadband users in Drogheda?
    The speeds are aboslutely attrocious for any of the business packages that only work through a phoneline.
    I was gonna start a new thread on this but I thought, I'd partially hijack this one instead! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    All it requires is space in the ducting to the roadside cabinets from the exchange, electricity supply, and 100 or 200 served lines in the vicinity.
    Is going all the way with a hard-line not a bit pre historic these days? I ask because I am currently with Irishbroadband (now Imagine) and I have 3mb Breeze (3mb up and down) for €49/m. No phone line needed, just a small box on the roof. I would think it's a much cheaper way to provide broadband to a region than digging up roads? Though a line of sight is needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    I used to have the digiweb metro in glenmore drive, thats behind hanrattys pub.
    The antenna used for metro is on top of the hospital, so the closer you are to that the better. I had great speeds, but most of the south side of town cant get it.
    If you live near the hospital, go metro, its cheap and no line rental.

    Installation will cost you about 70 bucks though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Is going all the way with a hard-line not a bit pre historic these days? I ask because I am currently with Irishbroadband (now Imagine) and I have 3mb Breeze (3mb up and down) for €49/m. No phone line needed, just a small box on the roof. I would think it's a much cheaper way to provide broadband to a region than digging up roads? Though a line of sight is needed.
    International experience and looking at the likes of UPC in Irelandsuggests the opposite. It's far cheaper to build a cable network with 100 Mb speeds than develop a wireless service throughout dublin (for example) which could serve all possible customers with 100 mb speeds simultaneously.

    Wireless service is fine in smaller villages or generally rural areas where the needed capacity isn't so high and the amount of road to be dug is comparatively much higher per house served. Also, fibre optic cabling has ever-increasing capacity while wireless has a finite amount of space for broadcasting, in competition with mobile phone use, TV and Radio, Wifi, Military, RADAR etc.

    I don't think you can get breeze anymore, just their wimax stuff which doesn't work as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Antibac


    Anyone had any experience in Aston Village? Looking at three mifi as don't really want phone
    Thanks!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭SnipSnop


    kormak wrote: »
    what options are available to business broadband users in Drogheda?
    The speeds are aboslutely attrocious for any of the business packages that only work through a phoneline.
    I was gonna start a new thread on this but I thought, I'd partially hijack this one instead! :)

    I swapped from Eircom DSL to the Digiweb Metro Plus (wireless, little box on the roof) two months ago.

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    I just gave up on Eircom, max speed is crap unless you sit right on top of the exchange.

    As for Digiweb.. Speeds are great & pings are low. Had very little downtime at all.
    However the low Cap (and yes I do consider 120GB low) and how they enforce it does suck eggs.
    If you go over cap at all, speed drops to ISDN speeds or lower for an extended period of time.

    + Even though they state on their website (and in emails) that you can buy a 20GB addon, they are basically lying.. At least for Metro+ the max I could get was a 10GB addon.

    (fingers crossed Eircom soon goes bust and somebody with real money takes over and finally get fiber into the ground here)


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭SnipSnop


    And on another note. The drogheda basestation has not be upgraded to 30MB yet.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056570507


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Strandlope


    Thanks Soerenlp. I am going Digiweb, as the max speed Eircom could promise me in Ballymakenny for a residential fixed line was 2 mb/s up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭SachaJ


    Is Digiweb still the best bet for Drogheda?

    I'm moving up this month from Dublin and trying to ease the loss of my UPC connection. It will be around the Cord Road so hoping it will have line of signt to the Digiweb mast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Darksaga87


    SachaJ wrote: »
    Is Digiweb still the best bet for Drogheda?

    I'm moving up this month from Dublin and trying to ease the loss of my UPC connection. It will be around the Cord Road so hoping it will have line of signt to the Digiweb mast.

    Id say metro would be the best. Im with digiweb dsl and have a 350gb traffic limit, so if you want a high DL limit id see about that. Although it could have just been a special offer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭vulmac


    I am living in the Brookville area.Signed with vodafone for 8mb download speed getting on average 6.8 mb. My line is capable of 12.mb download but a more expensive package. The package I am on is line rental free local and international calls plus a 300gb download limit for 49 euro a month


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Strandlope


    Hi SachaJ,

    I am on the Digiweb Metro package and have had uninterrupted service for 3 months (apart from one evening when there was a very bad storm.
    I usually get between 1mb/s and 6mb/s DOWN; 0.5mb/s - .90mb/s UP; a ping of between 30 and 100... depending on the time of day.

    I use www.speedtest.net to measure.

    If you have clear line of sight to Lourdes hospital roof, I think Digiweb are a good choice.

    Hope this helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    Drogheda is going to get a full fibre roll out. Certainly in my neck of the woods (NorthEast part of town.) Eircom are currently laying fibre to the cabinet (not to homes though.)

    The Eircom engineer I stopped to talk to told me it would be around Sept when it was all up and running and the cabinets were upgraded which they do last. Then in his words we would have 'hyper fast speeds' which presumably means faster than 2mb. Although I am optomistic it will be at least in the 24 range or even greater.

    Could be worth waiting a bit and seeing what offers and deals appear as no doubt all of the major suppliers will be hitting hard with sales teams once it's up and running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Wireless net


    Lantus wrote: »
    Drogheda is going to get a full fibre roll out. Certainly in my neck of the woods (NorthEast part of town.) Eircom are currently laying fibre to the cabinet (not to homes though.)

    The Eircom engineer I stopped to talk to told me it would be around Sept when it was all up and running and the cabinets were upgraded which they do last. Then in his words we would have 'hyper fast speeds' which presumably means faster than 2mb. Although I am optomistic it will be at least in the 24 range or even greater.

    Could be worth waiting a bit and seeing what offers and deals appear as no doubt all of the major suppliers will be hitting hard with sales teams once it's up and running.

    not entirely correct.

    most of Drogheda will be FTTC with a very tiny percentage FTTH .

    when eircom launch this service they have to make it available to all providers, eg vodafone, and other DSL resellers at the same time.

    speed all hinges around distance from the cabinet with FTTC, so possibly the average user might see 10-15 mb, which is not great considering its 2012, and speeds like that are behind other EU countries, again depends on distance to cabinet.

    i seriously doubt that it will be all up and running by september ready for customers to use it.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


    I was just talking to Eircom and the chap there went off and found out that my area (Five Oaks/Dublin Road) would be operational from the end of September but wouldn't know if it was FTTC or FTTH until it was on their system. Of course the 99.99999% probability is that it'll be FTTC. Anything would be better than the paltry 1.2mbit connection we have now anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭SachaJ


    Right, moved up to Drogheda at the weekend so need to get Broadband sorted.

    Currently I using an O2 and I'm pretty impressed with it: 8MB down and 1.6MB up but only have a cap of 5GB (on Prepay) or 15GB (on Bill pay).

    Am I correct in thinking that Broadband over the phone line is is the same between companies speed wise and probably the only difference is the download limits? Eircom use the phrase "unlimited" for €55 but I'm always wary of that term. Also do Eircom block the likes of Piratebay and downloading torrents etc?

    Any preferences for a fixed line provider? I'm around the Cord Road area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    not entirely correct.

    most of Drogheda will be FTTC with a very tiny percentage FTTH .

    when eircom launch this service they have to make it available to all providers, eg vodafone, and other DSL resellers at the same time.

    speed all hinges around distance from the cabinet with FTTC, so possibly the average user might see 10-15 mb, which is not great considering its 2012, and speeds like that are behind other EU countries, again depends on distance to cabinet.

    i seriously doubt that it will be all up and running by september ready for customers to use it.

    I did state it was to the cabinet and NOT the home. Even 10 to 15 is pretty good and way above most parts of Ireland. Most people have little need of anything above 5 to 8 to watch movies or 'surf'.

    I agree though. We should be aiming to provide 200+ as a baseline and ideally better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭SnipSnop


    Just an update on Digiweb in Drogheda (Metro).
    The Drogheda basestation has not be upgraded to 30MB yet and they have no idea about when or even if it will be upgraded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭vulmac


    Yes Eircom do block Pirate Bay. I think they have been blocking this for more than a year.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    vulmac wrote: »
    Yes Eircom do block Pirate Bay. I think they have been blocking this for more than a year.

    And yet it's made no difference to people who use torrents :P


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