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Hardware Discussion Thread

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  • #1832
    freeze4real
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    Hi all I thought amazon was free shipping if you buy an item over £25.


  • #1833
    glynf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭glynf


    freeze4real wrote: »
    Hi all I thought amazon was free shipping if you buy an item over £25.


    Think the free shipping only applys when you buy direct from amazon though.


  • #1834
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    freeze4real wrote: »
    Quick update it seems it was the psu issue.

    I had to use a 24pins by/and 8pins or a 20pins by 4 pins.


    Now i have to look for a case and PSU.

    What do you need a case for? Don't get a cheap PSU - especially not one that comes with a case! Have a read of my PSU guide if you have some time and consult the Power Supply Review Database when checking to see if one is of good quality. Some reviews on newegg saying it's quiet and it works is not adequate when choosing a PSU.


  • #1835
    freeze4real
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    Monotype wrote: »
    What do you need a case for? Don't get a cheap PSU - especially not one that comes with a case! Have a read of my PSU guide if you have some time and consult the Power Supply Review Database when checking to see if one is of good quality. Some reviews on newegg saying it's quiet and it works is not adequate when choosing a PSU.


    My motherboard is to big for my case.


    I dont know if its the length or breadth but the side were the usb cable goes woould not fit my pc case.

    Any ideas were I can get a case for a cheap price ?


  • #1836
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/midi_tower/20068994/thermaltake_v4_black_edition_mid_tower_no_psu/details.aspx

    Not as cheap as HWVS but free delivery and the pick up point in in Blanch if you prefer to go and get it - although its in the middle of a field!


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  • #1837
    glynf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭glynf


    GCDLawstudent wrote: »
    http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/midi_tower/20068994/thermaltake_v4_black_edition_mid_tower_no_psu/details.aspx

    Not as cheap as HWVS but free delivery and the pick up point in in Blanch if you prefer to go and get it - although its in the middle of a field!


    Take it you've made the trip there then. I've often convinced myself its easier to nip over & collect than wait the extra day. Its certainly not because I live in Wicklow-I just love the buzz of getting shiny new toys :D


  • #1838
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    I got the bus out to DHL for my Catleap - I also like shiny! :D


  • #1839
    Tea_Bag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing the AMD FX8300 (Piledriver)
    AMD-Piledriver-FX-8300.jpg

    The guys at Coolaler forums have got themselves an Engineering Sample of AMD’s Upcoming Piledriver FX-8300 series processor which features 8 Cores.

    Still in ES phase, The FX-8300 series processor come within a boxed AMD packaging. The 2nd generation FX Vishera processors feature the Piledriver 32nm Architecture which delivers upto 10-15% IPC improvement over FX-Bulldozer.

    AMD-Piledriver-ES.jpg

    AMD-Piledriver-CPUz.jpg

    The FX-Piledriver processor tested featured 124W TDP, 8MB of L3 Cache and core clock of 3.3-3.9GHz (Stock/Turbo Core). The processor was tested on an AM3+ socket motherboard (ASUS Crosshair V Formula) since Piledriver is compatible with 990FX chipset.
    Benchmark results are posted below:

    3DMark Vantage (CPU-Only):
    • FX-8300 Piledriver @Stock – 18705 CPU Marks
    • FX-8150 Bulldozer @Stock - 18045 CPU Marks
    3DMark 06 (CPU-Only):

    • FX-8300 Piledriver @Stock – 4986 CPU Marks
    • FX-8150 Bulldozer @Stock - 5900 CPU Marks
    AIDA64 Cache and Memory Benchmark:
    • FX-8300 Piledriver @4.8GHz – 17410/11769/21472 MB/s (Read/Write/Copy)
    • FX-8150 Bulldozer @4.2GHz - 14721/1026718501 MB/s (Read/Write/Copy)
    Winrar Compression:
    • FX-8300 Piledriver @Stock – 5946 KB/s
    • FX-8150 Bulldozer @Stock - 4984 KB/s
    CineBench R11.5:
    • FX-8300 Piledriver @Stock – 5.73
    • FX-8150 Buldozer @ Stock - 6.01



    Expect the launch of Piledriver in Q4 2012.
    For more details, Go here.

    Piledriver-3DMark-06-635x396.jpg

    Piledriver-3DMark-Vantage-635x396.jpg

    Piledriver-Cinebench.jpg

    Piledriver-Aida644.jpg

    shamelessly stolen and fixed from here at wccftech and overclockers.co.uk

    Things to note though is thats an engineering sample, and AMD has a reputation of turbo cores not working properly, so Id expect a little better results from the retail stuff.


  • #1840
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Seeing more and more recommendations and articles on Llano

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-3870k-apu-overclocking-guide,3260.html


  • #1841
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Just got my Samsung 830 (Thank you to the very nice person that sold it to me and got it to me very quickly indeed!) - I was on SSDs before but bloody-hell this thing is quick!


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  • #1842
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Another question sorry - DDR1866 v DDR2000 v DDR2133 - does the multiplier make much of a difference - e.g Z x 133 for 1866 and 2133 or 20 x 100 for the DDR2000 stuff. Might have that wrong tbh...

    DDR1866 tight timings v DDR 2133 loose timings - any idea which are best?

    Thanks in advance.


  • #1843
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    Doesn't make any difference. Going from 1066MHz RAM up to 2133MHz (assuming the same timings for both) yields maybe a 1% performance improvement in certain cases.


  • #1844
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Theres some evidence to suggest 1600Mhz is worth it on highly over clocked systems but point taken :)

    I guess its 1600Mhz v 1866 then? does the 100 v 133Mhz make any odds?


  • #1845
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    As far as I can make out about what you're referring to... it's the RAM multiplier/divider?
    You use this when you overclock using the BCLK. This in turn overclocks the RAM as well so you'd pick a lower multiplier to avoid overclocking your RAM. With Sandy and Ivy Bridge, you're better off working with the multiplier for overclocking and leaving the BCLK alone and so the RAM multipliers aren't much use. Except for overclocking the RAM, I suppose, if it allows you pick speeds faster than what you have.

    I think higher frequencies have a little more gain than strict timings. So long as you're not going with very loose timings though.

    xbitlabs had another review about RAM on Ivy Bridge this time. There weren't that many practical tests and didn't do ones with an overclocked system this time, but they did have a few showing gains. I'll see if I can dig it out.

    Edit:
    Just ignore the first few benchmarks - since they are memory tests, of course there's going to be big differences.
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html

    They didn't include the timings unfortunately, but at the end of the page there's still a couple of frames to be earned - not really anything significant going from 1866 to 2133 in all likelihood. You might see further gains when overclocked. The next page shows that there's considerable gains to be earned with faster memory when used with the integrated graphics.

    Edit 2: The system in that review actually is overclocked to 4.5GHz.


  • #1846
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    That's actually pretty bloody impressive. Wasn't expecting that much performance to be had from memory at all. Might just have to look into 1866MHz or higher memory (if/)when I upgrade to Ivy.


  • #1847
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    It comes more into effect when the system is overclocked. I saw it in this article a while back. It's about Sandy Bridge.
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3_7.html#sect0

    Notice especially Civ 5 at the bottom. No difference pretty much across the board with the non-overclocked system while there's much bigger gaps when overclocked. It shows that some games will indeed benefit from faster RAM.


  • #1848
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,632 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    So what memory speed would you recommend, the default these days especially for the Vengance ram seems to be 1600mhz.... that surely wouldnt cause a bottleneck!?


  • #1849
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    LOL Back to fiddling! I was at 1600Mhz CL8. Seems happy at 2133Mhz CL11@1.65v stress testing now. I lied :( just failed the TT

    When I talk about 100Mhz v 133Mhz - I mean FSB:DRAM timings sorry. At the 1866 and 2133 timingd its 5:6 (IIRC) at 2000Mhz its 1:10 - does that make any difference? I notice they didn't do any 1:10 testing in that article.


  • #1850
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    A new avatar and a name, you're going all out there!

    You're not going to be changing the FSB, I presume that changing the ratio and changing the speed should have the same effect.
    Vicxas wrote: »
    So what memory speed would you recommend, the default these days especially for the Vengance ram seems to be 1600mhz.... that surely wouldnt cause a bottleneck!?

    On a cheap system, 1333MHz should be fine for most situations. I'd still say to go for 1600MHz in most other situations. There's a substantial 20% gap in speed too. Beyond that, RAM starts to get steep in price, although 1866MHz isn't as dear as it was. You can actually get some of that Geil Corsa RAM for €50 for 2133MHz, 8GB.
    There's gains to be had, yes, but your money is better spent elsewhere beyond a certain point. I dislike the term bottleneck as it implies that something is holding everything else back. You need to decide when allocating funds how which areas offer the best boosts from upgrades for your needs.


  • #1851
    deejer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭deejer


    So I have a i2600k and a P67 sabertooth MB. Im thinking of upgrading the MB to the Z77 sabertooth so Im just wondering if its beneficial since its going to cost Eur200+ (the girlfriend is looking for ideas for my birthday so Im trying to help her out). And how does the Sandybridge architecture work with the z77 MB in general. I just had a quick google for performance and couldnt find anything

    Cheers


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  • #1852
    Monotype
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Not really worth it at all. For PCI-E 3, you'd need an Ivy Bridge CPU. It's not worth upgrading to Ivy Bridge either from that. You'd get to use integrated graphics and SSD caching, neither of which are useful for a higher end system. You'd probably get more USB 3 ports but you could add these with a card anyway if you needed them.


  • #1853
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    deejer wrote: »
    So I have a i2600k and a P67 sabertooth MB. Im thinking of upgrading the MB to the Z77 sabertooth so Im just wondering if its beneficial since its going to cost Eur200+ (the girlfriend is looking for ideas for my birthday so Im trying to help her out). And how does the Sandybridge architecture work with the z77 MB in general. I just had a quick google for performance and couldnt find anything

    Cheers

    Absolute waste of money unless you know you can get around what your paying for new stuff on adverts.ie for your old stuff - minus around €50. Even at that it's €50 on epeenadness.

    I'd get a better GPU, SSD, Cooling (OC more) or more RAM first before switching from Sandybridge.


  • #1854
    glynf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭glynf


    Procrastastudy/GCD, how did you change your name-is it possible only if subscribed to boards?


  • #1855
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Only subs :( - only a fiver for a month though


  • #1856
    glynf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭glynf


    Thanks m8, thought so. Might subscribe so, then go and emotionally traumatise peeps on the sex and sexuality forum :P:D (only joking mods..)


  • #1857
    Tea_Bag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    does it stay changed after the month ends?


  • #1858
    thewheel2.0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭thewheel2.0


    Procrastastudy wrote: »
    Only subs :( - only a fiver for a month though

    Sorry to bring us further off topic but WHAT? You can subscribe? I've been coming here for years daily and didn't know that. Looked around and I can see the place to subscribe but I cant see why I should subscribe and what the benefits are?


  • #1859
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    thewheel2.0 wrote: »
    Sorry to bring us further off topic but WHAT? You can subscribe? I've been coming here for years daily and didn't know that. Looked around and I can see the place to subscribe but I cant see why I should subscribe and what the benefits are?

    Private forums (Sex etc), Custom Avi, username changes, supporting the home of your addiction/davs beard conditioner :P

    And yeah, name changes stick.


  • #1860
    Serephucus
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  • #1861
    glynf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭glynf


    thewheel2.0 wrote: »
    Sorry to bring us further off topic but WHAT? You can subscribe? I've been coming here for years daily and didn't know that. Looked around and I can see the place to subscribe but I cant see why I should subscribe and what the benefits are?

    Yeah, same here : give a look here

    BTW best continue this in the off topic thread.


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