Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

LordSutch · 08-08-2012 08:04AM

Different Currency, different Phone networks/codes, road signage/Speed signs, traffic light sequence? new jusisdiction, do tourists need to know?

air assault · 08-08-2012 08:12AM

Its only taking them since 1921/22 to finally put up theses signs. Kinda funny how the relationship between the two parts of Ireland has gradually gotten better.

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 08:13AM

What's the different traffic light sequence?

I'm down here seven years, genuinely haven't noticed the light sequence?

All other points outlined apply to tourists entering Belgium from Holland and vice versa with the exception of the currency.

awec · 08-08-2012 08:24AM

Ghandee wrote: »

What's the different traffic light sequence?

I'm down here seven years, genuinely haven't noticed the light sequence?

All other points outlined apply to tourists entering Belgium from Holland and vice versa with the exception of the currency.

The only difference I can think of is the flashing orange arrows you get down here that you don't get up home.

ejmaztec · 08-08-2012 08:32AM

Genghis Khan. wrote: »

We don't live in 1969. Perhaps you should realise that the sun doesn't shine out of the arse of Dublin.

The sun doesn't shine in Ireland, out of arses or anywhere else for that matter.:(

Melanoma · 08-08-2012 08:33AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm sure if SF countered this.. 'territory marking' by seeking that 'Welcome To Ireland' signs be placed at the airports and ferry ports the issue would be quickly dropped.

A simple sign like this is all I could find on entering the six counties from the the Dublin direction on the main route between Ireland's two most populous cities.

Not much further up the road you have a bloody big sign offering currency exchange services.

Yes I think its a politically easy on the eye and less making a big deal out of it. I think is tourists see no real border sign then they will go home saying you'd hardly know you were crossing and that would put them at ease more that the old days are gone. But it would be better and its coming when it wont matter that proper signs will go up, just nobody will care.

billybudd · 08-08-2012 08:36AM

The signs where not needed and just used as a political tool.

Some current Unionists and nationlists will just not move on.

08-08-2012 08:39AM

Ghandee wrote: »

What's the different traffic light sequence?

I'm down here seven years, genuinely haven't noticed the light sequence?

All other points outlined apply to tourists entering Belgium from Holland and vice versa with the exception of the currency.

You don't have the "get set" amber when changing from red to green.
NI
red
red/amber
green

ROI
Red
green

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 08:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't have the "get set" amber when changing from red to green.
NI
red
red/amber
green

ROI
Red
green

Are you sure?

Their are three different lights on traffic lights, north and south?

08-08-2012 08:45AM

Ghandee wrote: »

Are you sure?

Their are three different lights on traffic lights, north and south?

he said when changing from red to green, not how many lights there are

haulagebasher · 08-08-2012 08:47AM

Varied wrote: »

That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.

Can one not identify oneself as irish and British also? And if not why not? Just like one can consider onself English/Welsh/Scottish and also British.I consider myself irish and British you know. Just becasue I am pro-union does not automatically mean that I am anti-irish - I'm not anti irish at all.As for the signs, SF are just at it again. Ignore them. Only harliner Republicans will be phased by this, no-one else cares really.
The level of anti-British bile in this country is sickening sometimes. I blame in large part the education system in the south which is totally biased and rams Republican/Nationalist propaganda into kids. Thus it's no surprise there are so many armchair/barstool republicans about. I should know, my primary school headmaster in Tipperary was a pure RA head.

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 08:51AM

bluewolf wrote: »

he said when changing from red to green, not how many lights there are

Genuine response here.

Do the lights in the south go, red-red-green? Green-red-red?

I'm colour blind, so the subtle difference in the red/amber doesn't really stand out to me.

gurramok · 08-08-2012 08:53AM

philologos wrote: »

It's possible that some SDLP and SF voters aren't anti-union in the same way that not all Tories are anti-EU. For this reason the poll that clean out asks purely on the union rather than party affiliation is logically better.

Nice sidestep. Where are the pro-union SDLP and SF voters? They've been awfully quiet since those parties were founded.

billybudd · 08-08-2012 08:53AM

Ghandee wrote: »

Genuine response here.

Do the lights in the south go, red-red-green? Green-red-red?

I'm colour blind, so the subtle difference in the red/amber doesn't really stand out to me.

Red - orange - green --- green - orange - red

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 08:54AM

billybudd wrote: »

Red - orange - green --- green - orange - red

That's how they work in the north too though

08-08-2012 08:55AM

billybudd wrote: »

Red - orange - green --- green - orange - red

they don't go orange from red to green here
they go red then green

billybudd · 08-08-2012 08:56AM

bluewolf wrote: »

they don't go orange from red to green here
they go red then green

Yeah i should really pay more attention to lights

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 08:59AM

bluewolf wrote: »

they don't go orange from red to green here
they go red then green

Ok, so the signs will now remind me of the different light settings too.

Don't really believe its a valid reason to erect signs though.

(I've been driving half my life and gotten by up to now.

)

Chuck Stone · 08-08-2012 09:16AM

haulagebasher wrote: »

As for the signs, SF are just at it again. Ignore them. Only harliner Republicans will be phased by this, no-one else cares really.

The signs are provocative. They'd have done better to leave well alone. They've been systematically de-politicising the border now since the PP by removing check points, watch towers, army barracks and by rebuilding roads and bridges that were blocked off with boulders or demolished.

Whoever decided to put up the signs is either deliberately trying to provoke a reaction or hasn't a clue about political sensitivities on the ground.

I suspect the former.

Edit:

The signs are the responsibility of the Roads Service, a devision of the Department of Regional Development, with the minister being Ulster Unionist Party’s Danny Kennedy.

Traditional Unionist Voice Leader Jim Allister commended the Minister on the erection of the “Welcome to Northern Ireland” signs along the border.

Mr. Allister said:

“I am glad that Mr Kennedy has taken action. These signs are a useful reminder that traffic laws in the United Kingdom differ from those in the Republic and indeed it is only polite to welcome foreign nationals into our Province.”

Source

Good old Jim Allister trolling away and still living in a Unionist dominated fantasy land long since gone.

haulagebasher · 08-08-2012 09:25AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The signs are provocative. They'd have done better to leave well alone. They've been systematically de-politicising the border now since the PP by removing check points, watch towers, army barracks and by rebuilding roads and bridges that were blocked off with boulders or demolished.

Whoever decided to put up the signs is either deliberately trying to provoke a reaction or hasn't a clue about political sensitivities on the ground.

I suspect the former.

By that logic we should be taking down all the brown signs that say "Welcome to County Cork/Waterford/whereever" just in case, god forbid, the people of the neighbouring County got offended.Too much PC pussyfooting around these days. The signs are informative only. IF they had a Union flag background or whatever, that might be provocative but there just small signs.Don't get me started on having an Irish translation on it. Shure even in the south, who ever actually reads the irish text on a road sign? - thats right, no-one. It just clutters up the sign and results in the English version being smaller and harder to read. Like it or Lump it English is our first language. Bi-lingual me arse. The cupla focal does not an irish speaker make.

Sonics2k · 08-08-2012 09:32AM

bluewolf wrote: »

they don't go orange from red to green here
they go red then green

Damned crazy foreigners.

fasttalkerchat · 08-08-2012 09:43AM

bluewolf wrote: »

they don't go orange from red to green here
they go red then green

Is that not just in Dublin centre? I never noticed it in the rest of the country.

Chuck Stone · 08-08-2012 09:46AM

haulagebasher wrote: »

The signs are informative only.

The signs don't even tell people they are entering a MPH graded road network. The signs are just territory marking and rekindling old memories of the border and all the misery that went with it.

What would be wrong with a simple sign saying 'Welcome to County Tyrone - speed limits in MPH'?

These are roads we're talking about not international air and ferry ports.

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 09:49AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Is that not just in Dublin centre? I never noticed it in the rest of the country.

The pedestrian crossing lights at Naas (beside Tesco extra) just went red, flashed orange, then green....

Silly argument anyway.

08-08-2012 09:50AM

Ghandee wrote: »

The pedestrian crossing lights at Naas (beside Tesco extra) just went red, flashed orange, then green....

Silly argument anyway.

well yeah they do at pedestrian ones

awec · 08-08-2012 09:52AM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The signs are provocative.

Anyone provoked by a sign that says "Welcome to Northern Ireland" should go and get their head felt. Some people must lead absolutely miserable lives if this sort of thing annoys them. :pac:

Ghandee · 08-08-2012 10:00AM

awec wrote: »

Anyone provoked by a sign that says "Welcome to Northern Ireland" should go and get their head felt. Some people must lead absolutely miserable lives if this sort of thing annoys them. :pac:

That's easy for you to say as your location is Dublin.

Some people in the border areas affected obviously are offended by it though.

As previously pointed out, I'd imagine their could be outrage by unionists if signs were erected at Belfast or Derry airports saying 'welcome to the island of Ireland'

Same argument.

Chuck Stone · 08-08-2012 10:00AM

awec wrote: »

Anyone provoked by a sign that says "Welcome to Northern Ireland" should go and get their head felt. Some people must lead absolutely miserable lives if this sort of thing annoys them. :pac:

It's a welcome through clenched teeth. It's territory marking. We could be doing without it heading back down that path.

It's predictable what will happen. The signs will be continuously vandalised. People will spray 'Occupied' over 'Northern', they'll be pulled out of the ground.

MagicSean · 08-08-2012 10:15AM

If the term northern Ireland is so offensive then why has there been no uproar over the Northern Ireland tourism ads all over YouTube and the tv?

Seanchai · 08-08-2012 10:18AM

awec wrote: »

Anyone provoked by a sign that says "Welcome to Northern Ireland" should go and get their head felt. Some people must lead absolutely miserable lives if this sort of thing annoys them. :pac:

Great, then, let's just put a sign up saying "Welcome to the Occupied Six Counties", and place it in a loyalist heartland like Ballymena. Anybody annoyed by this clearly apolitical unprovocative move "should get their head felt". :rolleyes:

Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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