Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

Genghis Khan.

Fenian Army wrote: »

all you can do is laugh at nonsense like this given the history

Laugh all you want but it is true. The Union with Great Britain is not as clear cut as you like to think. You are no different from those who want one big British nation in that you want one big Irish nation with less rights for local people and defending the rights of counties.

That isn't being a rebel at all.

Fenian Army

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely the job of the council or whoever put it up is to make these decisions? It's a sign. If a public consultation was needed every time a sign had to be put up, nothing would get done. There has to be a balance between getting things dont at a decent price and peopel bemoanign the amoutn of money and time it takes to get a simple sign put up.

Its not "just" a sign. Any gob****e would know that it would be contentious in these areas.

TheChizler

geneyuss wrote: »

This seems to be the point, only i wasnt confused

Good, so we're all agreed then?

Davidius

I would have thought this a blessing in disguise. Every night somebody could just move the signs back a little until the border disappears.

Genghis Khan.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Few and far between unfortunately. Those are the sort of unionists who wanted what was best for their people and we could actually form an honest relationship with.

David Irvine "Stop this nonsense about not being Irish".

I would say that its partly our fault that in the 9 decades since partition at least 10% of this people on this island still feel like foreigners despite being settled here for several generations.

A great patriot and some one who tried to defend his people locally from tyranny which was being influenced by those afar. RIP David Ervine.

Ghandee

That's exactly who i was referring to fenian. Your on the ball.;)

He was once the leader of the UVF, but in saying that, I always considered him a fair and decent man (during the peace process anyway)

The unionist community lost a 'decent' person when he passed, and i say that as someone from 'the other side'

fasttalkerchat

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely the job of the council or whoever put it up is to make these decisions? It's a sign. If a public consultation was needed every time a sign had to be put up, nothing would get done. There has to be a balance between getting things dont at a decent price and peopel bemoanign the amoutn of money and time it takes to get a simple sign put up.

The decision was made by Danny Kennedy, the regional development minister. The Tourist Board had previously said it would be damaging for tourism to do something like this and he went ahead.

£1000 wasted because of some idiotic point scoring.

geneyuss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

No it''s not worng. What is pathetic is your constant attempts to drag out a bad attempt by you to mock someone to you being right.Look at all the replies. I;ve given you reasons, backed up by links to show your wrong. You've repeatedly called me a troll and deflected away from the discussion.




No, you were wrong.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland. No where does that sentence mean Northern Ireland is in BRitain. In fact it's quite clear that its in the UK and not in Britain.

how was telling somebody N.Ireland is not in Great Britain mocking them ??

and where have i repeatedly called you a troll ?? wrong again !!

Dubhlinner

Its constitutionally Northern Ireland by the will of the majority of people. However it is only a very slight majority of people there consider themselves British or Northern Irish

Nationalists and those I describe as "cultural nationalists" there say "the north" and describe themselves as Irish. A lot of them are embarrassed about the term "Northern Ireland" because it suggests they are less Irish than those from the 26

So expecting these signs to last in border areas is silly beyond belief.

Guy:Incognito

geneyuss wrote: »

how was telling somebody N.Ireland is not in Great Britain mocking them ??

Because you thought he said Northern Ireland was in Britain. Seriously, this was covered ages ago. If you actually read and replied to posts instead of throwing insults around you'd have answered that already.

AtomicHorror

Ghandee wrote: »

I just find it strange that even some unionist, actually loyalist leaders considered themselves Irish.

Fact.

Why? There are undoubtedly plenty of Scots and Welsh who consider themselves to be Scots/Welsh and British simultaneously. There are plenty of Irish who identify as both Irish and European (that would be my own approximate cultural identity). Why is it strange that some people could identify both Irish and British? It's just a shame that that sort of dual (or even multiple) identity is not more prevalent and better accepted- it might help to build a great deal of empathy.

fasttalkerchat

Genghis Khan. wrote: »

A great patriot and some one who tried to defend his people locally from tyranny which was being influenced by those afar. RIP David Ervine.

We would all be a lot happier if he was across the table in Stormont now. Unfortunately the summer festivities enforce an identity on Irish Protestants and no one listened to David. Maybe some day...

Sound of Silence

Genghis Khan. wrote: »

Laugh all you want but it is true. The Union with Great Britain is not as clear cut as you like to think. You are no different from those who want one big British nation in that you want one big Irish nation with less rights for local people and defending the rights of counties.

That isn't being a rebel at all.

I guess all the Gerrymandering was for our own good then.

We were getting in the way of a true Rebellion, I dare say!

Fenian Army

Its mad how people can think a scumbag like Ervine was a "decent guy". Just how low is the bar someone needs to measure up to qualify as a "decent guy"? Its like when spence died you had people singing his praises too, and he was one of the worst people this island has had the misfortune to spawn.

I think he was a complete sectarian dirtbag who had a few redeeming qualities, like everyone does.

Guy:Incognito

geneyuss wrote: »

and where have i repeatedly called you a troll ?? wrong again !!

I'll take the one instance from this page. I'm not searchign back through all your posts. If it makes you feel better I'll retract the word repeatedly for you.

geneyuss wrote: »

wrong again,,, nobody is really listening to you,,,,you have been trolling for hours now,

Now, any chance of showing where he said Northern Ireland is in Britain?

geneyuss

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Because you thought he said Northern Ireland was in Britain. Seriously, this was covered ages ago. If you actually read and replied to posts instead of throwing insults around you'd have answered that already.

I know what he said,,, now answer the question, where did i mock him or call you a troll several times or insult anyone??, your quick to demand answers, now lets see you do it

Guy:Incognito

Dubhlinner wrote: »

So expecting these signs to last in border areas is silly beyond belief.

They wouldnt be much use in other areas.

Genghis Khan.

Sound of Silence wrote: »

I guess all the Gerrymandering was for our own good then.

We were getting in the way of a true Rebellion, I dare say!

Exactly my point. That was very bad government. But it doesn't mean that a state can't exist in co existence with the Irish government. If Stormont would focus more on local issues for the people everyone would be better off.

Liberty is basically the point I am getting at. That is why Northern Ireland exists because in one way, Nationalists don't want it to exist but a large portion of people don't want to be ruled by Dublin. Civil war is not needed.

Guy:Incognito

geneyuss wrote: »

I know what he said,,, now answer the question, where did i mock him or call you a troll several times or insult anyone??, your quick to demand answers, now lets see you do it

I've already answered. If your goign to demand quick answers at least check if your too slow for that.

Now, we'll come back to your demands later. I asked you first how he was wrong.

Ghandee

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Why? There are undoubtedly plenty of Scots and Welsh who consider themselves to be Scots/Welsh and British simultaneously. There are plenty of Irish who identify as both Irish and European (that would be my own approximate cultural identity). Why is it strange that some people could identify both Irish and British? It's just a shame that that sort of dual (or even multiple) identity is not more prevalent and better accepted- it might help to build a great deal of empathy.

The reason i find it strange?

Because loyalist leaders, from the six counties considered themselves Irish.

Yet we have people from Ireland (twenty six counties) who tell us we're not.

leeroybrown

It's important to have signs so Peter Darragh Quinn can be 100% sure that his greedy deceitful hands are safely across the border in the separate legal jurisdiction of Northern Ireland.

geneyuss

for the last time

Pride Fighter wrote: »

If they were really gloating about it they would say welcome to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Just Northern Ireland is fine and not gloating in any way IMO.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I'll take the one instance from this page. I'm not searchign back through all your posts. If it makes you feel better I'll retract the word repeatedly for you.

of course you will

LordSutch

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Its constitutionally Northern Ireland by the will of the majority of people. However it is only a very slight majority of people there consider themselves British or Northern Irish

Nationalists and those I describe as "cultural nationalists" there say "the north" and describe themselves as Irish. A lot of them are embarrassed about the term "Northern Ireland" because it suggests they are less Irish than those from the 26

So expecting these signs to last in border areas is silly beyond belief.

I understand, but (seriously) would the signs not be helpful in the practical ways I suggest in post #290.

Hope Nodin has gone to bed, bites nails

Genghis Khan.

Fenian Army wrote: »

Its mad how people can think a scumbag like Ervine was a "decent guy". Just how low is the bar someone needs to measure up to qualify as a "decent guy"? Its like when spence died you had people singing his praises too, and he was one of the worst people this island has had the misfortune to spawn.

I think he was a complete sectarian dirtbag who had a few redeeming qualities, like everyone does.

You probably think Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguinness are nice guys. David Ervine was just defending his people.

Guy:Incognito

geneyuss wrote: »

for the last time

Yes, the AND you underlined is what makes the name mean that Northern Ireland IS NOT in Britain.

Seriously? am I being filmed here or somthing?

geneyuss wrote: »

Originally Posted by Pride Fighter

If they were really gloating about it they would say welcome to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Just Northern Ireland is fine and not gloating in any way IMO

Fenian Army

LordSutch wrote: »

I understand, but (seriously) would the signs not be helpful in the practical ways I suggest in post #290.

Hope Nodin has gone to bed, bites nails

You already have signs saying welcome to county x, and other signs explaining the different speed limits etc.

So adding in another sign is simply a case of, as others have said, pissing on a lampost and stirring things up.

TheChizler

geneyuss wrote: »

for the last time

If you got off the ferry in Fishguard for instance and saw that sign, would you be confused as to why you were being welcomed to Northern Ireland? It's just a name for the regions as a collective.

Sound of Silence

LordSutch wrote: »

I understand, but (seriously) would the signs not be helpful in the practical ways I suggest in post #290.

Hope Nodin has gone to bed, bites nails

The problem is that the signs do not fulfil your purpose in any way.

Beyond signalling that the person has entered Northern Ireland, they fail to provide any other information. It would have to be assumed that said person would already be aware of any pertinent differences between the two Countries, unless they hope to pull into a Tourist Office and ask for more info.

If a tourist in Ireland really was struggling with the differences between our two Countries, I doubt he would be suddenly enlightened by some sign in a ditch passing him at 40MPH.

LordSutch

In reply to Fenian army, County x means nothing to tourists though, and surely even people from down south would welcome the signs which warns them of the diffenences I highlight in post#290. Anyway, if local people don't like the signs then they should complain and resolve the issue properly. Glead people arent shooting at each other that's for sure.

Goodnight.

Guy:Incognito

Will somebody with opposing views to me on all the other points in this thread please explain to Geneyuss that the name The United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland does not say that Northern Ireland is in Britain and in fact makes a point that its not. On thread please if you dont mind.