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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #242
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    large multiples will be there and thats where people will shop until such times as they decide to shop local. You cant just decide its a problem in the North becaus eits part of the UK and all would be rosy if it was suddenly a 32 county Ireland.

    Are you serious?

    The only time Southerners ever turn up to Newry in their droves is during Christmas, and that's to make a bee-line for Sainsbury's and the drinks aisle.

    Seeing that I work in the South and I'm paid in Euros, I can guarantee you that Newry would be the last place I would go shopping. That is, unless I want to lose a fortune in exchange rates.


  • #243
    Defiler Of The Coffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The signs going from Germany to Switzerland dont list every difference between the coundtries either but knowing that you've just changed countries allows you to use any knowledge you already have and combine it with the ability to fnd out new information if you want.
    God forbid we let peopel know where they are.
    MagicSean wrote: »
    They tell you you are in a different country. The rest is a logical deduction based on that information.

    If people don't know where they are then that's their problem. Anyone who's clueless enough not to know that Sligo and Enniskillen are in different jurisdictions would probably think "Welcome To Northern Ireland" just means they are in a different region or county of Ireland. All this guff about people needing to know that the currency etc or rules of the road have changed is just that, guff. As if people really need to know this kind of stuff in the middle of nowhere, what good is knowing that the local currency has changed until they arrive at their destination or stop off along the way? If people don't know these things in advance all the road signs in the world won't make a difference. It's not like they can't find these things out when they need to! Maybe all the pound sterling symbols on signs along the road will give the game away?!
    MagicSean wrote: »
    So you honestly believe that it is not necessary to notify people that they will be in a different country with different laws?

    It hasn't been necessary up to now and it isn't necessary now either. Anyone with even minimal knowledge of the political situation in Ireland will know there are two states on the island. The current speed limit signs are enough to know that the jurisdiction has changed.

    Honestly, do people on this thread really believe that this is just a case of simple marking of international borders? Do people forget that partition is still a sensitive issue around the border areas? That this is just unionists marking their territory? Some people are just naive or deliberately obtuse.


  • #244
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Northern Monkey wrote: »
    This hotel?
    http://www.hastingshotels.com/everglades-hotel/index.html

    With the following address?

    Everglades Hotel,
    Prehen Road,
    Derry, BT47 2NH,
    Telephone: +44 (0) 28 7132 1066,
    Fax: +44 (0) 28 7134 9200

    Their website must have been hacked by them IRA shinners or something:rolleyes:
    http://www.hotels.com/de1650652/hotels-near-londonderry-londonderry-united-kingdom/


  • #245
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    Are you serious?

    The only time Southerners ever turn up to Newry in their droves is during Christmas, and that's to make a bee-line for Sainsbury's and the drinks aisle.

    Seeing that I work in the South and I'm paid in Euros, I can guarantee you that Newry would be the last place I would go shopping. That is, unless I want to lose a fortune in exchange rates.

    Yes I am. Border Rat doesnt seem to think they only head up at Christmas or to Sainsburys. Everyone cant be right.

    Theres a massive opinion in the south that the North is dirt cheap. The last few times I've been up had nothing to do with shopping and were done on weekdays but there was still plenty of southern reg cars heading over the border .


  • #246
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    The Everglades is in a Nationalist area. In fact, its quite close to a staunchly Republican area. The employee's, in all probability, don't share you're Unionist outlook.
    Where, Newbuildings?:pac:

    Everglades is about as Londonderry as you can get.


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  • #247
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    http://www.hotels.com/de1650652/hotels-near-londonderry-londonderry-united-kingdom/

    http://www.travelodge.ie/derry-hotel

    http://www.onetime.com/hotels?talid=186482&source=ot_msn_uk_hotel_derry&taparam=EOTMSNUK_K52773205_A341782811_NS&supmt=e&mcid=13219&supai=801718216


    We could be here all night, suffice to say, its Derry City in County Derry.


  • #248
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Where To wrote: »
    Where, Newbuildings?:pac:

    Everglades is about as Londonderry as you can get.

    I'd have to agree here.

    Bigoted hole, (from a nationalist POV)

    Was subject to many a negative news article over the years, including mass goers cars being targeted, and catholic houses being burned out.


  • #249
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,164 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    It's better than a port a cabin selling fireworks.


  • #250
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Cienciano wrote: »
    It's better than a port a cabin selling fireworks.

    Eh?


  • #251
    Pride Fighter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    ardmacha wrote: »
    it is bad enough being at the butt end of the British Empire without signs gloating about the fact.

    If they were really gloating about it they would say welcome to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Just Northern Ireland is fine and not gloating in any way IMO.


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  • #252
    Northern Monkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Northern Monkey


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Eh?

    I presume he is actually on topic and on about the signs being better than a portacabin:D


  • #253
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cienciano wrote: »
    It's better than a port a cabin selling fireworks.


    No, I'd say nobody minds a portacabin selling fireworks.


  • #254
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Yes I am. Border Rat doesnt seem to think they only head up at Christmas or to Sainsburys. Everyone cant be right.

    As far as I can recall, he was talking about Strabane.
    Theres a massive opinion in the south that the North is dirt cheap. The last few times I've been up had nothing to do with shopping and were done on weekdays but there was still plenty of southern reg cars heading over the border .

    Dirt cheap on drink, maybe.

    Living just outside Newry, I can assure you that once the clock hits twelve on Christmas Eve, the crowds of Southerners dissipate quite quickly.

    Now with the terrible exchange rate, I imagine that they would struggle to find a reason to head back on up again. I for one have stopped shopping in the town and started heading out to Dundalk for my wallet's sake. :cool:


  • #255
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    If they were really gloating about it they would say welcome to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Just Northern Ireland is fine and not gloating in any way IMO.
    N.Ireland is not part of Great Britain


  • #256
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, I'd say nobody minds a portacabin selling fireworks.
    Apart from Inland Revenue.:pac:


  • #257
    Varied
    Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Varied


    geneyuss wrote: »
    N.Ireland is not part of Great Britain

    Don't correct them, it's more fun this way.:D


  • #258
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Where To wrote: »
    Apart from Inland Revenue.:pac:

    No bother there!

    Sure strap on a few rockets to the Cabin and we'll launch right out of there when Customs come a'callin!


  • #259
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Sinn Fein still upset that a group of people decided not to join the Irish Republic and form their own government. Get over it Sinn Fein.


  • #260
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    I recognise that pointing out the border might be a sensitive issue for locals, but obviously there has to be something explaining that you are now entering a new country/juristiction/province/region/colony/state/statelet, whatever you want to call it, it needs to be pointed out that you are leaving Ireland/Rep. of Ireland/the southern country.

    For example, someone on bail in the south may be not allowed to leave the country, he accidently wanders across the ill-defined border and is found out. Back to jail. (Granted you would have to be pretty stupid to do this, but it's a valid example).

    Or, you are someone working temporarily in the south, e.g. a film-maker/photographer. You have applied for a working visa, the conditions of which state that you must pay tax to the state. You are working in the border area and accidently do some work in one of the 6 counties. You have violated the conditions of your visa, and evaded tax in the north. You'd probably get away with it, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that something like this might happen.

    Or you're a newly recruited member of the PSNI and are stationed in a border area. You arrest someone drink driving on a country road but later it transpires that they were in the south and out of your jurisdiction. Que international incident. Granted again they'd have to be stupid but I think it's entirely possible.

    Or you have a crappy insurance company and the policy doesn't cover you driving in the north. Again you cross over without realising and subsequently have an accident. No cover. I'm not saying there's a company with this policy, it's just a general example.

    These are just some reasons that outline the reasons for well defined borders, and these could apply to any country.

    So what alternatives can be put in place to avoid this type of situation, where locals are offended by the wording of sinage? Off the top of my head:
    1. Now leaving the Irish Republic, come back soon!
    2. Welcome Co. Fermanagh, N. Ireland.
    3. International Border.
    4. Area with different government, laws, and currency to the one you're leaving.

    They all seem to be jumping around the point, surely just Northern Ireland would be the easiest? I'm sure the locals know exactly where they live. What do they put down on an address when shopping online, in a situation when it's a choice between Rep. of Ireland and Northern Ireland? Do they enter competitions that are open to residents of the UK and Northern Ireland only? Who do they pay their taxes though. All the border is is a political boundary, it's still the same soil, culture, history and identity (for many) on both sides. It's like getting angry about Coco Pops changing to Choco Krispies (and back) a few years ago. It's all the same inside the box.


  • #261
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    geneyuss wrote: »
    N.Ireland is not part of Great Britain
    Varied wrote: »
    Don't correct them, it's more fun this way.:D



    He didnt say it was:confused:


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  • #262
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I recognise that pointing out the border might be a sensitive issue for locals, but obviously there has to be something explaining that you are now entering a new country/juristiction/province/region/colony/state/statelet, whatever you want to call it, it needs to be pointed out that you are leaving Ireland/Rep. of Ireland/the southern country.

    For example, someone on bail in the south may be not allowed to leave the country, he accidently wanders across the ill-defined border and is found out. Back to jail. (Granted you would have to be pretty stupid to do this, but it's a valid example).

    I can think of at least one bust high financier who needs to know where the border is.


  • #263
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Where To wrote: »
    Apart from Inland Revenue.:pac:

    Feckin killjoys.

    I love me fireworks, so I do. And theres nothin the local childer like better than the laugh they have wondering if the fat mad fella will blow himself up on halloween night. Or the laugh when he trips in the dark, come to think of it.


  • #264
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    If they were really gloating about it they would say welcome to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Just Northern Ireland is fine and not gloating in any way IMO.
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    He didnt say it was:confused:

    i must be seeing things, :confused:


  • #265
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,453 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I moved from NI to RoI over a decade ago, and don't miss this nonsense.

    NI will always have this stupid pettiness. Its so sad and silly all in one. Surely there more importnt things for that country/province to worry about?


  • #266
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    geneyuss wrote: »
    i must be seeing things, :confused:

    Your seeing it, your just not understanding it. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland means the United Kingdom that is made up of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.

    I've tried to think of something to replace and with to make it mean that Northern Ireland is in Britain but I cant think of one so I really dont understand what your reading it as.


  • #267
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    This is lamp post pissing by Trolls or it's someone who has absolutely no concept of the sensitivities of the people living on the border.
    There is plenty of Ulster Protestants who live near the border who fully recognise Northern Ireland and want people to know they are entering Northern Ireland. Why are you trying to discriminate against these people and the country they come from? Fact is they decided not to join the Irish Republic and formed their own government. It is as simple as that.

    No doubt some one from Dublin will be on this thread in a minute trying to dictate to the Ulster Protestants that these signs aren't allowed. Thank god for Partition.


  • #268
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    geneyuss wrote: »
    average_runner wrote: »
    Its still not a part of the republic. They dont pay taxes to kenny. They pay taxes ti cameron if they work in the nirth. FACT

    Don't the pay taxes to their own assembly, which is ran buy both communities ?


    Uk government runs the budget. They say cuts and the assembly determines where.


  • #269
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    TheChizler wrote: »
    It's like getting angry about Coco Pops changing to Choco Krispies (and back) a few years ago. It's all the same inside the box.

    The history of the border summed up in one little cereal branding analogy.

    That's pretty amazing.


  • #270
    Genghis Khan.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 53 ✭✭Genghis Khan.


    Take a trip up Harryville in Ballymena,(or any other 'staunchly unionist' area, any time from say.... June until August. (all in honour of one single day in July btw)

    Its like they need to convince themselves what country they're in.

    The same degree of flags and emblems are not on display in Republican areas.
    They know exactly what country they are in. Northern Ireland. Part of the United Kingdom. They fought for many years and many lives lost to defend that sacred right. Dublin will not rule these people.


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  • #271
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Your seeing it, your just not understanding it. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland means the United Kingdom that is made up of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.

    I've tried to think of something to replace and with to make it mean that Northern Ireland is in Britain but I cant think of one.

    :rolleyes: twist it anyway you like, its not what he said or meant, unless your a claire voyant how can you tell .


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