Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

Einhard · 07-08-2012 06:19PM

Isn't Northern Ireland Northern Ireland whether you are Catholic or Protestant, Unionist or Republican? Or am I missing something here?

Anyone I know from Northe, eh....that part of the world, always claimed to be from Northern Ireland. What's the problem. If the signs said "Welcome to the UK" I'd understand the kerfuffle, but this really is silly season stuff.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:20PM

Ghandee wrote: »

So, you've recognised the fact that Ireland has 32 counties, but yet your implying here that they're part of the UK?

They have to be Irish counties or UK counties.

Which is it?

There are 32 counties on the Island of Ireland yes. 6 of them are in the United Kingdom. The Island of Ireland is not a country just like the Iberian penninsula isnt a country.

Britain has whatever number of counties it has despite them being in 3 different countries.

Chuck Stone · 07-08-2012 06:23PM

Where To wrote: »

Could you tell whether you were in Spain or Portugal, or Finland or Sweden, if you had never seen them before, simply by looking at road markings though?

I can't speak to those borders but FRA/GER, GER/AUSTRIA, FRA/SPAIN I'd imagine if the welcome to 'XXXX' signs were removed it wouldn't take long for it to hit home. Also people have sat nav and smart phones these days negating the need for lamp-post pissing in sensitive areas.

I know I couldn't. And I know I get asked at least once a week whether I will accept euros for a journey completed in it's entirety within Ireland.

I understand there might be some confusion if you're skirting along the border but travelling into the six counties there is a considerable change in road markings, bus stops, road signs and even the fields seem to have less ditches and more wire fences.

MagicSean · 07-08-2012 06:25PM

geneyuss wrote: »

its abit like you're opinion is gospel and the rest of us are wrong, akin to not being allowed to vote, send your kids to school, get jobs, rely on the police etc

Yes it is a bit like that. In the same way that a potato is a bit like an apple.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 06:26PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

There are 32 counties on the Island of Ireland yes..

Thank you.

So regardless what county you happen to be stranding in, as you yourself say, you're still in Ireland.

Trying to say the six counties are part of the UK, but in the same post say their on the island of Ireland is a bit contradictory.

(imo)

3DataModem · 07-08-2012 06:27PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It still doesnt change the fact that that standing on one side of that line puts you in the UK and standing on the other doesnt.

Hint.

The island of Ireland has 32 counties.

You may not like that as it counters your internet argument, but it's fact.

What about Fingal? And Dun Laoghaire Rathdown?

Or do you only count GAA county teams as "counties"?

Do try and keep up.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:28PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Thank you.

So regardless what county you happen to be stranding in, as you yourself say, you're still in Ireland.

Trying to say the six counties are part of the UK, but in the same post say their on the island of Ireland is a bit contradictory.

(imo)

Jesus, you really are a child. You know selective quoting doesnt erase what I said and certainly doesnt change the fact that 6 of the counties are in the United Kingdom.

How is it contradictory? The rest of my post that you conveniently left out is quite clear on it. The island of Ireland is not a country. Its an island made up of Ireland and part of the UK.

Chuck Stone · 07-08-2012 06:31PM

Einhard wrote: »

Isn't Northern Ireland Northern Ireland whether you are Catholic or Protestant, Unionist or Republican? Or am I missing something here?

Nationalists/Catholics/Republicans, on the whole, rarely refer to the six counties as Northern Ireland (see :pac:)

I guess to use the 'Northern Ireland' name, in a way, causes a psychological border between them and their southern fellow Irish that they do not accept.

/pop psych

cometogether · 07-08-2012 06:33PM

Just out of interest, what did Sinn Fein want the signs to say?

Einhard · 07-08-2012 06:34PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Nationalists/Catholics/Republicans, on the whole, rarely refer to the six counties as Northern Ireland (see :pac:)

I guess to use the 'Northern Ireland' name, in a way, causes a psychological border between them and their southern fellow Irish that they do not accept.

/pop psych

Hmmm still a load of hooha over nothing. Although your psychological analysis of the situation is deeply profound! :pac:

Einhard · 07-08-2012 06:34PM

cometogether wrote: »

Just out of interest, what did Sinn Fein want the signs to say?

Vote McGuinness No. 1.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 06:37PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Jesus, you really are a child. You know selective quoting doesnt erase what I said and certainly doesnt change the fact that 6 of the counties are in the United Kingdom.

How is it contradictory? The rest of my post that you conveniently left out is quite clear on it. The island of Ireland is not a country. Its an island made up of Ireland and part of the UK.

I'll try again so, with the whole quote this time.

Their are 32 counties on the island of Ireland.

North or south, whichever 1 of the 32 me, you, or big Ian paisley happens to be standing in, we're still standing on the island of Ireland.

I'm not trying to rub you up the wrong way, but you can either give me a yes or a no answer.

Is someone, currently standing in a field in Fermanagh in one of the 32 counties on the island of Ireland?

Yes or no?

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:37PM

cometogether wrote: »

Just out of interest, what did Sinn Fein want the signs to say?

They just wanted 2 massive interlocking Armalite rifles crossing the road. Along the lines of this

but with a bing plinth in the middle that Gerry Adams can stand on for 4 hours every 2nd saturday.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:40PM

Ghandee wrote: »

I'll try again so, with the whole quote this time.

Their are 32 counties on the island of Ireland.

North or south, whichever 1 of the 32 me, you, or big Ian paisley happens to be standing in, we're still standing on the island of Ireland.

I'm not trying to rub you up the wrong way, but you can either give me a yes or a no answer.

Is someone, currently standing in a field in Fermanagh in one of the 32 counties on the island of Ireland?

Yes or no?

Look , just spit out whatever it is you are looking for me to say. The end result will still be that Northern Ireland will be in the UK and using Sterlign as their currency.

You seem to cream yourself at me sayign that the Island of Ireland has 32 counties. So fill your boots. Just be sure to delete the part where I say how 6 of them are in the United Kingdom when you gleefully quote me.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 06:42PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Jesus, you really are a child. You know selective quoting doesnt erase what I said and certainly doesnt change the fact that 6 of the counties are in the United kingdom.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Look, just stick on your tinfoil hat and lock yourslef in you house so the evil Brits cant get you.

Does not compute.

When faced with a valid argument resort to name calling, very grown up.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:45PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Does not compute.

When faced with a valid argument resort to name calling, very grown up.

Theres no name calling in the 2nd one. At least try to read the bits you quote. If anything, the post I was replyign to callign me naive was closer to name calling. As for the first one? Your post was childish.

There is no valid arguement to the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom . thats the beauty of facts.

Ghandee · 07-08-2012 06:46PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Look , just spit out whatever it is you are looking for me to say. The end result will still be that Northern Ireland will be in the UK and using Sterlign as their currency.

I asked yes or no.

Your refusing to say yes, though you you know it to be true.

I'm not out to win some kind of game, but i seem to stick to my beliefs regardless of what some guy on the net thinks of them.

geneyuss · 07-08-2012 06:46PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They just wanted 2 massive interlocking Armalite rifles crossing the road. Along the lines of this but with a bing plinth in the middle that Gerry Adams can stand on for 4 hours every 2nd saturday.

having the orangemen march past that would be a vision.

Where To · 07-08-2012 06:47PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I can't speak to those borders but FRA/GER, GER/AUSTRIA, FRA/SPAIN I'd imagine if the welcome to 'XXXX' signs were removed it wouldn't take long for it to hit home. Also people have sat nav and smart phones these days negating the need for lamp-post pissing in sensitive areas.

I understand there might be some confusion if you're skirting along the border but travelling into the six counties there is a considerable change in road markings, bus stops, road signs and even the fields seem to have less ditches and more wire fences.

You've obviously never been to Donegal or Derry so.:pac:
Even if you went so far as to check the reg of cars in driveways you still wouldn't know which side of the border you are on.

Whistwillya · 07-08-2012 06:49PM

Everyone knows that nationalists call the 6 counties the North of Ireland and loyalists call it Northern Ireland, it's like Londonderry and Derry, so of course signs saying "welcome to Northern Ireland" are going to cause some annoyance.

Anyone on here saying they don't know how this can cause offence to anyone is just being ignorant. And you can say they're part of the UK if you want but just remember that the next time you're cheering on the Irish rugby team, or the next time Tyrone, Down or Derry are playing in an All Ireland final. People down south are great at this- choosing when they want the 6 counties to be part of Ireland and when they don't. When Rory McIllroy wins a golf tournament he's a great "Irish" sportsman but when there's any political issue the North of Ireland is separate.

Why can't the signs just welcome people into each county and if there is really such an issue with tourists not knowing where they are then they can say "Welcome to Armagh, one of the occupied 6 counties"....but no wait, this would cause offence to the loyalists

RMD · 07-08-2012 06:50PM

Ghandee wrote: »

I'll try again so, with the whole quote this time.

Their are 32 counties on the island of Ireland.

North or south, whichever 1 of the 32 me, you, or big Ian paisley happens to be standing in, we're still standing on the island of Ireland.

I'm not trying to rub you up the wrong way, but you can either give me a yes or a no answer.

Is someone, currently standing in a field in Fermanagh in one of the 32 counties on the island of Ireland?

Yes or no?

They are standing within 1 of the 32 counties of Ireland, while they're also standing in 1 of the 6 counties of Northern Ireland. I don't see how this is so difficult?

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:50PM

Ghandee wrote: »

I asked yes or no.

Your refusing to say yes, though you you know it to be true.

I'm not out to win some kind of game, but i seem to stick to my beliefs regardless of what some guy on the net thinks of them.

The first time I answered I even included the word yes, if you care to read back, you even quoted it. So whats the issue. The bigger question is why you think this "island of Ireland " thing is such a big plus or a victory for you.

Ireland is part of the British Isles without being in Britain, or is that some sort of ipossibility and we are actually part of Britain?

Sunnyisland · 07-08-2012 06:51PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The first time I answered I even included the word yes, if you care to read back, you even quoted it. So whats the issue. The bigger question is why you think this "island of Ireland " thing is such a big plus or a victory for you.

Ireland is part of the British Isles without being in Britain, or is that some sort of ipossibility and we are actually part of Britain?

Gets the popcorn for this one

geneyuss · 07-08-2012 06:52PM

Whistwillya wrote: »

Everyone knows that nationalists call the 6 counties the North of Ireland and loyalists call it Northern Ireland, it's like Londonderry and Derry, so of course signs saying "welcome to Northern Ireland" are going to cause some annoyance.

Anyone on here saying they don't know how this can cause offence to anyone is just being ignorant. And you can say they're part of the UK if you want but just remember that the next time you're cheering on the Irish rugby team, or the next time Tyrone, Down or Derry are playing in an All Ireland final. People down south are great at this- choosing when they want the 6 counties to be part of Ireland and when they don't. When Rory McIllroy wins a golf tournament he's a great "Irish" sportsman but when there's any political issue the North of Ireland is separate.

Why can't the signs just welcome people into each county and if there is really such an issue with tourists not knowing where they are then they can say "Welcome to Armagh, one of the occupied 6 counties"....but no wait, this would cause offence to the loyalists

And when he throws the tri-colour onto the ground, he's a Brit.

Guy:Incognito · 07-08-2012 06:53PM

Whistwillya wrote: »

Why can't the signs just welcome people into each county

Because its not the same as moving between Dublin and Kildare, whether you like it or not you are moving between Ireland and the UK.

Whistwillya wrote: »

Anyone on here saying they don't know how this can cause offence to anyone is just being ignorant. And you can say they're part of the UK if you want but just remember that the next time you're cheering on the Irish rugby team, or the next time Tyrone, Down or Derry are playing in an All Ireland final. People down south are great at this- choosing when they want the 6 counties to be part of Ireland and when they don't. When Rory McIllroy wins a golf tournament he's a great "Irish" sportsman but when there's any political issue the North of Ireland is separate.

and in football theres 2 different associations, 2 different leagues and 2 different national teams (one of which , funnily enough, is "northern Ireland"). Whats your point?

steddyeddy · 07-08-2012 06:54PM

The only problem I have with the signs is that they should be bilingual.

DB10 · 07-08-2012 06:55PM

It doesnt really matter, 95% of people living beside or on the border are nationalists. The signs will be taken down, dont worry, because the main reason they arent there now is because they were destroyed very quickly anytime any arose in decades past.

And as another poster said, the border is only in name really. Its all over the place , hard to know which side of it your on, because its very rural beside it. They accept euro and sterling in most places near the border.

Anyway I dont really see what the issue even is, but as usual the trolls come out in these threads. Usual names.

Where To · 07-08-2012 06:56PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The only problem I have with the signs is that they should be bilingual.

'Walcum ta oor wee contrae'

How's a tourist going to understand that?:P

Seanchai · 07-08-2012 06:57PM

MagicSean wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/welcome-to-northern-ireland-sign-548794-Aug2012/

Personally I don't see the problem with informing people they are entering a different country with different laws and currency.

:rolleyes: Dream on. If the British partitioned this country into ten states rather than two states in December 1920 it wouldn't mean there were ten countries here. There's only one Ireland, no matter what British jingoists and their fellow travellers on Boards.ie would like to contend.

My family in Armagh is just as Irish as my family in Louth. No British laws can change that. Not now. Not in 1972. Not in 1920. Not in 1720. Not in 1620.

/end of.

GoldFour4 · 07-08-2012 06:57PM

Quite entertaining to read the comments on there :P

Here is a quote from one of them

I am less likely to visit the north with signs like these.

Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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