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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

  • 07-08-2012 04:43PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    TWO SIGNS PLACED in border counties welcoming people to Northern Ireland have been removed as a political row breaks out between Sinn Féin and DUP

    http://www.thejournal.ie/welcome-to-northern-ireland-sign-548794-Aug2012/

    Personally I don't see the problem with informing people they are entering a different country with different laws and currency.


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  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MagicSean wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/welcome-to-northern-ireland-sign-548794-Aug2012/

    Personally I don't see the problem with informing people they are entering a different country with different laws and currency.

    It should be tri-lingual, English, Irish & Ulster-Scots!
    Then they won't be complaining so much. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    it is bad enough being at the butt end of the British Empire without signs gloating about the fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Sinn Féin in being irritating nitpicking dipsh*ts shocker!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Varied


    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

    I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Let me get this straight.

    There are signs labelled "Welcome to Northern Ireland" on the border as you enter Northern Ireland which is a seperate jurisdiction from the Republic of Ireland. And this is an issue how?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    We need less road signs in Irish, not more.

    They make it harder to read the English version, and increases reaction times, causing more accidents.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 waywardsun


    Should it say 'North-Eastern Ireland'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    WELCOME TO NORN IRELAND


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

    I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.

    How are they ignoring them exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    I don't understand where this is coming from now, when I was growing up I used to be "up the north" every month to see family and there was always signs saying welcome to northern Ireland, actually much worse from what I remember


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

    I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.

    They can consider themselves whatever they want. They still live in a different country with a seperate government, different laws and different currency. How is it in any way affecting them? Why would they be consulted? What possible discussion could take place in such a consultation?

    Exactly what signs would this catholic/Irish community be erecting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭IrishAm


    Put one up facing the opposite direction saying "Welcome to the Island of Ireland."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    What they should have done was send out a notification in the local papers stating the plans to erect new road signs with the title "Welcome to Northern Ireland". Just get it out there in the public arena. But, it should have been written completely as gaeilge and say that any objections should be sent as gaeilge.

    I'd imagine the replies would be quite low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Nichololas


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

    I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.

    It's a sign showing entry into a different political and economic zone.. But of course lets let opinion, religion and affronted nationalism trump practicality, pragmatism and common ****ing sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭redalan


    MagicSean wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/welcome-to-northern-ireland-sign-548794-Aug2012/

    Personally I don't see the problem with informing people they are entering a different country with different laws and currency.

    Hear, hear.
    Plus, it is going from KPH to MPH and drivers need to know what speed limit they are driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish.
    Do they accept euro in their shops?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,315 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.

    I bet if it was the catholic/Irish community that erected Irish signs on the border youd surely be on your high horse about it.

    And they can consider themselves Irish all they want, but the fact is Northern Ireland is a different country. And it's a only a sign saying 'Welcome to Northern Ireland'.

    What an utterly stupid thing for people to get uppity about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    the_syco wrote: »
    Do they accept euro in their shops?

    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    The only sign that lets you know you're in NI are the speed limit ones.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Ya see that ol' border there led to much grief for a deliberately created and discriminated against minority on the other side of it and maybe they'd rather not be reminded of it. 'Welcome to county XXXX speed limits in MPH' would have done just fine.

    I suspect someone is doing a bit of trolling in the background and deliberately trying to be antagonistic to those on the border who'd rather not be reminded of the shit they've had to put up with because of it.

    They dismantled all the look-out towers, rebuilt blown up bridges and roads in an attempt to normalise the situation there - this smacks of pissing on lamp posts again and the people of the area have every right to object to it if they so wish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Stripey Cat


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    And they can consider themselves Irish all they want, but the fact is Northern Ireland is a different country.

    Funny that you can be born there and still qualify for an Irish passport, isn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ya see that ol' border there led to much grief for a deliberately created and discriminated against minority on the other side of it and maybe they'd rather not be reminded of it. 'Welcome to county XXXX speed limits in MPH' would have done just fine.

    I suspect someone is doing a bit of trolling in the background and deliberately trying to be antagonistic to those on the border who'd rather not be reminded of the shit they've had to put up with because of it.

    They dismantled all the look-out towers, rebuilt blown up bridges and roads in an attempt to normalise the situation there - this smacks of pissing on lamp posts again and the people of the area have every right to object to it if they so wish.

    Considering the previous posts of the OP, you've two chances of that being considered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    What an utterly stupid thing for people to get uppity about.

    It's not really. Nationalists will see it as furthering distancing the north and south symbolically. You only view it as stupid because you're incapable of empathy. I can perfectly understand why they don't want partition to be paraded and highlighted at every opportunity.

    We quite happily live where the borderline doesn't exist in any visible sense. Ireland is a complex island, where many see it as a single nation and in many instances it's treated as such. The Olympics for example has 2 boxers from Belfast who are in medal contention for 'Ireland', an all-island sporting team. To pretend that the north and south are like any other two neighbouring countries would be a lazy analysis of an extremely storied history.

    It's simply not an issue of road signs, and the intention by the Unionist parties is to intentionally provoke the nationalist community, rather than for any practical purposes. They know very well that the Nationalist community views their home as Ireland, and not 'Northern Ireland'. Listen in on any of Stormont's proceedings and you'll get to see the bigger picture behind some of these decisions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Nichololas wrote: »
    It's a sign showing entry into a different political and economic zone.. But of course lets let opinion, religion and affronted nationalism trump practicality, pragmatism and common ****ing sense.

    Pragmatism and common sense might have seen them not being put up in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    redalan wrote: »
    Hear, hear.
    Plus, it is going from KPH to MPH and drivers need to know what speed limit they are driving.

    That has nothing to do with the issue, 'Speed Limits In Miles Per Hour' signs have already been on the border ever since the republic changed to KM/H.

    There's absolutely no need for these signs at all, all they do is antagonise local communities and get vandalised anyway. The border was fine the way it was with the Speed Limit signs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Varied wrote: »
    That's right Sean, lets ignore half the population of the north who consider themselves Irish. This served no purpose and no consultation took place.
    .

    They can consider themselves whatever the **** they want, they live in Northern Ireland the sign said "welcome to Northern Ireland".

    If they want to be Iriah and live in Ireland they should move out of th eUnited Kingdom.Otherwise, relax, enjoy life and stop worrying about bloody geography. Do so many people spend their lives complaining and worrying about things because they've nothing to do or what?
    These people will live their 80 odd years then die and end up oin the same place whether their passport says Irish, British , Pakistani or anywhere bloody else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭FanadMan


    Ya see that ol' border there led to much grief for a deliberately created and discriminated against minority on the other side of it and maybe they'd rather not be reminded of it. 'Welcome to county XXXX speed limits in MPH' would have done just fine.


    Well, seeing as when I've told some people that I'm from County Donegal they seem to think that I'm from the North :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Ya see that ol' border there led to much grief for a deliberately created and discriminated against minority on the other side of it and maybe they'd rather not be reminded of it. 'Welcome to county XXXX speed limits in MPH' would have done just fine.

    I suspect someone is doing a bit of trolling in the background and deliberately trying to be antagonistic to those on the border who'd rather not be reminded of the shit they've had to put up with because of it.

    They dismantled all the look-out towers, rebuilt blown up bridges and roads in an attempt to normalise the situation there - this smacks of pissing on lamp posts again and the people of the area have every right to object to it if they so wish.

    But it isn't just about the different speed limits. There's many differences. Currency, immigration policy, road traffic legislation, criminal legislation. While you may know which of the six counties are in Northern Ireland there are many that don't. A look at the comment section on the journal will show that. And these are irish people. What chance has a foreign national got of knowing they are entering a different country?
    Funny that you can be born there and still qualify for an Irish passport, isn't it?

    Not really funny. Your problem is that you see no difference between being Irish and living in the Republic. You can be Irish and be born in the north, It doesn't change the fact that it is a different country though.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    It's not really. Nationalists will see it as furthering distancing the north and south symbolically. You only view it as stupid because you're incapable of empathy. I can perfectly understand why they don't want partition to be paraded and highlighted at every opportunity.

    We quite happily live where the borderline doesn't exist in any visible sense. Ireland is a complex island, where many see it as a single nation and in many instances it's treated as such. The Olympics for example has 2 boxers from Belfast who are in medal contention for 'Ireland', an all-island sporting team. To pretend that the north and south are like any other two neighbouring countries would be a lazy analysis of an extremely storied history.

    It's simply not an issue of road signs, and the intention by the Unionist parties is to intentionally provoke the nationalist community, rather than for any practical purposes. They know very well that the Nationalist community views their home as Ireland, and not 'Northern Ireland'. Listen in on any of Stormont's proceedings and you'll get to see the bigger picture behind some of these decisions.

    It's practical and necessary signage. If a person chooses to get upset over them then they are feeding the trolls so to speak.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Varied


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    How are they ignoring them exactly?

    No consultation, no engagement with both communities.
    Nichololas wrote: »
    It's a sign showing entry into a different political and economic zone.. But of course lets let opinion, religion and affronted nationalism trump practicality, pragmatism and common ****ing sense.

    Again, common ****ing sense would have prevailed had they thought about BOTH communities, it offends people both sides of the border.
    the_syco wrote: »
    Do they accept euro in their shops?

    Not that it makes a blind bit of difference and the fact that it is a stupid ****ing question notwithstanding, yes a lot of shops do accept euro.


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