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Deadline Day: Bring Out The Transfer Gimp!

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  • #2252
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Kiwi_knock wrote: »
    Ravel Morrison's year long loan to Birmingham City should be confirmed some time today. Really not sure on this transfer, he has talent but still has not fixed his attitude. Might benefit from getting more attention in a smaller squad. Do not like either that we would be developing a player for another club while potentially affecting the development of Redmond. Hopefully the move works out, but I have my doubts

    Complete waste of time IMO.


  • #2253
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Marcus Rosenborg to West Brom? Lots of talk about it, would be an interesting signing. 40 in 123 for Bremen, 9 in 33 for Santander last season, 6 in 33 for Sweden (largely as a substitute) and a career total of 107 in 343.

    Could well be a very astute signing on a free transfer although I can't say I've seen him play much over the last couple of years. What do our European football watchers think?


  • #2254
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    Moses to chelsea for 8.5 mill is pretty much done apparently. plus cesar ap for around the same price


  • #2255
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »
    Moses to chelsea for 8.5 mill is pretty much done apparently. plus cesar ap for around the same price

    Chelsea have some selection of attacking midfielders this season,going to be nightmare for Fantasy Football managers :)


  • #2256
    dahat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,126 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »
    Moses to chelsea for 8.5 mill is pretty much done apparently. plus cesar ap for around the same price

    Strange move for Moses,i fear he will end up another SWP there.........


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  • #2257
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    dahat wrote: »
    Strange move for Moses,i fear he will end up another SWP there.........

    Good article here saying a similar thing:

    http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7938013/Moses-must-resist-Chelsea-temptation
    TEAMtalk guest Michael Graham believes Wigan winger Victor Moses should reject the advances of Chelsea this summer for the sake of his career.

    The big names such as Robin van Persie and Luka Modric may be dominating the headlines so far this transfer window, but Chelsea's persistent interest in Moses is one of the most intriguing storylines.

    Whilst it isn't glamorous, it does raise a question, certainly from a wider perspective, about to what extent the uneven financial playing field in English football is a hindrance to promising homegrown players.

    You can see why a deal would appeal to all parties. Moses was the stand-out performer of Wigan's dramatic season, shooting to prominence as the former England Under-21 international powered the Latics to an unlikely late run to secure their Premier League status.

    Chelsea could grab an exciting young player who could help them meet their homegrown criteria and who would likely be happy to accept a reduced role, and the player would get a big move to a top club and the increased pay and profile that comes with it.

    But it would be a marriage of convenience, no more. That's the reality.

    Whilst surely tempting, Nigeria international Moses doesn't need riches and profile at this stage of his career. What he needs is games - plenty of them - and that is the one thing that Chelsea are not in a position to offer him.

    As good a season as Moses has just produced, with Juan Mata, Eden Hazard, Oscar, Kevin De Bruyne, Daniel Sturridge and Marko Marin already vying for attacking midfield positions at Stamford Bridge, it is difficult to see the 21-year-old getting the game time he craves.

    It is a trap that too many talented young players have fallen into before. Shaun Wright-Phillips saw all his momentum halted after joining Chelsea. The same fate could have easily befallen Glenn Johnson had he not sought games at Portsmouth. Surely Scott Parker would have established himself as a top player considerably sooner had his career not stalled for 18 months at Stamford Bridge.

    Joe Cole's career wasn't well served by his early move to Chelsea, either, and could Adam Johnson have finally provided England with that coveted left foot had he spent the last three seasons perfecting it on a weekly basis in the Premier League rather than accepting a well-paid bit-part role at Manchester City?

    Consider instead Ashley Young, who spent his formative years playing a key role for Aston Villa and fully realising his potential, ensuring that he was prepared to shine on the stage that Manchester United have since provided him. Similarly, would Gary Cahill be the player he is today without the opportunity to play regular football afforded him by Bolton?

    Obviously, we want young players to strive for the top. But as long as the richest clubs continue to stockpile young talent without accepting and embracing the responsibility for their development, then they are not being presented with opportunities - they are being offered short-cuts.

    Dave Whelan has said of Moses: "If the lad had any brains he'd stay under Roberto Martinez for another year or so". It is a difficult assertion with which to argue, and if he is absolutely adamant that he needs a bigger stage immediately then he won't find any shortage of suitors in the mid-table pack ready to offer him a key role in their team on a weekly basis. Alternatively, if Moses was to play out the remaining year of his contract at Wigan while displaying the form that made Chelsea take notice, then he could have his pick of club and salary next summer.

    Moses is raw, but armed with everything he needs to be a big success in the Premier League. Should he do that, the top clubs and the big opportunities will still be there for him.

    A move to Stamford Bridge this summer, though, and you fancy he'll just wind up another unremarkable name on a growing list of homegrown players who swapped prodigious promise for a seat on a prestigious bench.


  • #2258
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    If the lad had any brains he'd stay under Roberto Martinez for another year or so

    Whelan as politically correct and elegant as always.


  • #2259
    JaMarcus Hustle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭JaMarcus Hustle


    Knex. wrote: »
    Whelan as politically correct and elegant as always.

    Whelan has released a statement condemning your comments, Knex.


  • #2260
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »
    Whelan has released a statement condemning your comments, Knex.

    Just the one? I'm a little disappointed tbh :p


  • #2261
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    Paully D wrote: »
    Good article here saying a similar thing:

    http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7938013/Moses-must-resist-Chelsea-temptation

    What a load of old cods wallop!
    So full of holes its like the titanic
    Joe Cole quickly made himself a star at Chelsea right from the off, made near enough 50 appearences every season except when he was injured
    Glen Johnson got 30 odd appearences for 2 seasons before we realised he just wasnt good enough at ahem defending
    SWP went onto make 40 odd each season,before again being found out for just not being good enough at that level

    None of those players went onto cover themselves in glory after leaving Chelsea

    And thats what it is - if you are good enough, you will play at any club, but sometimes players just cant always cut it at the very highest level and that becomes apparent after they have tried and they should get their chance to try and to play with higher level players and clubs with more ambition

    If Moses is good enough, especially on the right wing, he will get games to prove himself alright

    And lol at using Ashley Young - 1 half decent season at Utd does not a star make!


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  • #2262
    Mikeyt086
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »
    What a load of old cods wallop!
    So full of holes its like the titanic
    Joe Cole quickly made himself a star at Chelsea right from the off, made near enough 50 appearences every season except when he was injured
    Glen Johnson got 30 odd appearences for 2 seasons before we realised he just wasnt good enough at ahem defending
    SWP went onto make 40 odd each season,before again being found out for just not being good enough at that level

    None of those players went onto cover themselves in glory after leaving Chelsea

    And thats what it is - if you are good enough, you will play at any club, but sometimes players just cant always cut it at the very highest level and that becomes apparent after they have tried and they should get their chance to try and to play with higher level players and clubs with more ambition

    If Moses is good enough, especially on the right wing, he will get games to prove himself alright

    And lol at using Ashley Young - 1 half decent season at Utd does not a star make!

    I am absolutely shocked you feel this way.


  • #2263
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,148 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Paully D wrote: »
    Marcus Rosenborg to West Brom? Lots of talk about it, would be an interesting signing. 40 in 123 for Bremen, 9 in 33 for Santander last season, 6 in 33 for Sweden (largely as a substitute) and a career total of 107 in 343.

    Could well be a very astute signing on a free transfer although I can't say I've seen him play much over the last couple of years. What do our European football watchers think?

    Based on his time at Ajax I wasn't a big fan. He's done better since though, will definitely get the odd goal here and there


  • #2264
    Pepe LeFrits
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Glen Johnson was still a kid when Chelsea dumped him but has eventually since matured in a quality player, and Joe Cole despite becoming a good player never really fulfilled his early promise... ditto Scott Parker. SWP was just a case of a player who was already at the top of his game going to a level that was too much for him.


  • #2265
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »
    What a load of old cods wallop!
    So full of holes its like the titanic
    Joe Cole quickly made himself a star at Chelsea right from the off, made near enough 50 appearences every season except when he was injured
    Glen Johnson got 30 odd appearences for 2 seasons before we realised he just wasnt good enough at ahem defending
    SWP went onto make 40 odd each season,before again being found out for just not being good enough at that level

    None of those players went onto cover themselves in glory after leaving Chelsea

    And thats what it is - if you are good enough, you will play at any club, but sometimes players just cant always cut it at the very highest level and that becomes apparent after they have tried and they should get their chance to try and to play with higher level players and clubs with more ambition

    If Moses is good enough, especially on the right wing, he will get games to prove himself alright

    And lol at using Ashley Young - 1 half decent season at Utd does not a star make!
    Chelsea have been a graveyard for players like Moses over the years. Not sure how this can be argued.


  • #2266
    GavRedKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    If we get Moses I'll refer to him as Kalou version II.

    Bags of potential but more then likely going to frustrate and annoy more then excite and deliver in the long term and that will be down to the fact he'll be a bit part player.


  • #2267
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Chelsea have been a graveyard for players like Moses over the years. Not sure how this can be argued.

    and you sure aint gonna be the one to argue it for or against with such a generalised sweeping statement, devoid of any facts! ;)


  • #2268
    everdead.ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Spurs have supposedly put in yet another bid for Damiao today his performances at the olympics are just making things more expensive.


  • #2269
    Pepe LeFrits
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Cazorla's move to Arsenal is complete. Hoot!


  • #2270
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »
    and you sure aint gonna be the one to argue it for or against with such a generalised sweeping statement, devoid of any facts! ;)
    Okay cool.


  • #2271
    Cokeistan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Cokeistan


    Fair play to Arsenal, that's a real coup signing Cazorla. I've read reports of Lucas Moura looking likely to join PSG now, but his name seems to be linked with a different club regulary. Wouldn't mind seeing him at United though


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  • #2272
    meriwether
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Arsenal have revoked the Santi clause in Malaga's contract.


  • #2273
    Schism
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    meriwether wrote: »
    Arsenal have revoked the Santi clause in Malaga's contract.

    What exactly have Arsenal done now? Or do you mean they've signed Cazorla?


  • #2274
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Arsenal have done some great business this transfer window.

    That makes me sad :(


  • #2275
    meriwether
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Schism wrote: »
    What exactly have Arsenal done now? Or do you mean they've signed Cazorla?

    No, they cross collateralised outstanding stadium debt and entered into an interest rate swap to smooth the cash flows.

    Arsene has said 'its like a new signing'.


  • #2276
    Kiwi_knock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭Kiwi_knock


    Paully D wrote: »
    Marcus Rosenborg to West Brom? Lots of talk about it, would be an interesting signing. 40 in 123 for Bremen, 9 in 33 for Santander last season, 6 in 33 for Sweden (largely as a substitute) and a career total of 107 in 343.

    Could well be a very astute signing on a free transfer although I can't say I've seen him play much over the last couple of years. What do our European football watchers think?

    He has signed for WBA on a 3 year contract. Good signing for WBA.


  • #2277
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Kiith wrote: »
    Arsenal have done some great business this transfer window.

    That makes me sad :(

    F365 had a cracking little read, about a few guys around their office tipping Arsenal for the title, or at worst second behind United :O


  • #2278
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    Arsenal have a great team now but only if they can keep van Persie. If they hang on then they will surely be there at the end.


  • #2279
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,636 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    dahat wrote: »
    Strange move for Moses,i fear he will end up another SWP there.........
    Paully D wrote: »
    Good article here saying a similar thing:

    http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/7938013/Moses-must-resist-Chelsea-temptation

    I always cringe just a little when I see these types of posts. He'll get a four or five year deal with a nice signing bonus and a wage structure that offers multiples of what he is currently being paid. Essentially he will be offered the opportunity to become a multi - millionaire.

    Let's say he turns it down and decides to stay at Wigan another year to build his stock for a better offer. In a training session tomorrow he could get on the wrong end of an innocuous challenge and break his leg. Wigan could be awful this year and his stock might fall in a stuggling side. He could fall out of form.

    Ask yourself this: if you were offered a promotion with guaranteed four or five year contract at 3x your current rate of pay would you turn it down just because you felt the job was beyond you to one extent or the other? Or would you take the guaranteed pay and figure you could always return to your current level if it doesn't work out?

    Footballers are real people too.


  • #2280
    Oat23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Paul Scharner will join HSV after a medical, everything else has been agreed.

    Definitely need his experience, considering Bruma (20) and Mancienne (24) were set to be the starting CBs, but does anyone know if he is still good enough or is he too old now?


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  • #2281
    Sgt Pepper 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭Sgt Pepper 64


    Newspaper fail of the week.
    (This why we shouldnt listen to them!)

    http://www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/marseille_man_wants_chelsea_switch_1_1474161

    “I have spoken to Chelsea’s chief executive and they are easy to deal with. We have told them the price and they will come back and agree it or not,” Labrune told ESPN.
    “We would much prefer the payer to sign a new contract and stay but he wants to go to Chelsea and it’s a good club so we cannot stand in his way.”


    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/7969961


    "I have spoken to Chelsea's chief executive and they are easy to deal with," Whelan told ESPN.
    "We have told them the price and they will come back and agree it or not.
    "We would much prefer the player to sign a new contract and stay but he wants to go to Chelsea and it's a good club so we cannot stand in his way."


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