Fast Food chain under fire from same sex couples

Medusa22 · 03-08-2012 10:14AM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm genuinely asking, because I'm not religious, does the bible say anything racist in it? and also, does it explicitly say that marriage is between a man and a woman? I'm pretty sure the former is inaccurate (unless you use Mississippi Burning references and twist it.) Just interested about the marriage thing.

Think you may have the wrong posted quoted there buddy!

Ah crap, anyway, same sentiment from the both of ye so it still stands!

Kev_2012 · 03-08-2012 10:17AM

Medusa22 wrote: »

Ah crap, anyway, same sentiment from the both of ye so it still stands!

Just wondering what kind of right does civil partnership not entitle them to compared to marriage?

Medusa22 · 03-08-2012 10:32AM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Just wondering what kind of right does civil partnership not entitle them to compared to marriage?

http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/marriage/faqs.html

hooradiation · 03-08-2012 10:59AM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Apart from the last line, that user has a completely valid point.

Not even slightly.

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Everywhere you look these days, there is pro-homosexual propaganda, through parades and media.

It's very annoying. It would be the same with anything. We get it, now please stop shoving it in our faces every 2 seconds.

Have a nice wee think, if it's not going to strain you too much. If the call for equal rights is being "shoved in your face every two seconds" what might that suggest to you on the subject of equal rights being achieved?

Go on, give it a try. You might be surprised at the very obvious answer that seems to have eluded you thus far.

Medusa22 · 03-08-2012 11:05AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Not even slightly.

Have a nice wee think, if it's not going to strain you too much. If the call for equal rights is being "shoved in your face every two seconds" what might that suggest to you on the subject of equal rights being achieved?

Go on, give it a try. You might be surprised at the very obvious answer that seems to have eluded you thus far.

I fully agree! That's what I was trying to say but I quoted the wrong person!

Kev_2012 · 03-08-2012 11:30AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Not even slightly.

Go ahead, please do expand! Short snappy responses with no reasoning whatsoever don't really cut it in discussion.

Have a nice wee think, if it's not going to strain you too much. If the call for equal rights is being "shoved in your face every two seconds" what might that suggest to you on the subject of equal rights being achieved?

Go on, give it a try. You might be surprised at the very obvious answer that seems to have eluded you thus far.

Why don't they go and annoy the people who make this legislation? I can't do f*ck all for it (not that I care) and either can facebook. I tend to stay away from things that annoy me, but they are making it f*cking difficult. If I have a problem I don't make it the world's problem so don't you try and tell me that putting pictures of 2 men kissing and a starving child and asking which shocked you more all over the net is going to do any good.

I have several things I'd like to change about the world personally, but I'm not gonna rally about it.

Rubber_Soul · 03-08-2012 11:47AM

Jay D wrote: »

Same sex attention seekers more like.

When are we going to go all Pride like and go around preaching how much we are prud to fancy the opposite sex?

Drama Queen attention seeking ho's.

Mod

Infracted.

I imagine that'll happen when people start hurling insults at you for holding someone of the opposite sex hand as you're walking down the street.

Or when a young straight lad is afraid to tell his parents about his heterosexuality in fear that they'll disown him.

Or when some young hetero girl decides to kill herself to stop all the gay kids in her school bullying her after finding out she fancies blokes.

Kev_2012 · 03-08-2012 11:51AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

I imagine that'll happen when people start hurling insults at you for holding someone of the opposite sex hand as you're walking down the street.

Or when a young straight lad is afraid to tell his parents about his heterosexuality in fear that they'll disown him.

Or when some young hetero girl decides to kill herself to stop all the gay kids in her school bullying her after finding out she fancies blokes.

In fairness, heterosexuality is the norm, so your point is a bit ridiculous.

seamus · 03-08-2012 11:52AM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I have several things I'd like to change about the world personally, but I'm not gonna rally about it.

That's because they don't affect you personally. Think about your favourite pasttime - let's say you enjoy going to the pub. Now imagine that you were banned from going to the pub because your name is Kevin.
No reason, the publicans have just decided that they don't like Kevins, and you are banned from every pub in the country. When you ask for reasons, you're told, "Letting in Kevins will lower the standard of our pubs and cause the degradation of the atmosphere".
The government backs this and makes it illegal for anyone named Kevin to get a pub licence. So your only option is to drink at home.

So when all your mates and practically everyone else in the country (bar the other Kevins) are going to the pub and you're made stand outside because your name is Kevin, do you think you'd find yourself banding together with the other Kevins and protesting about it then?

Rubber_Soul · 03-08-2012 12:09PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

In fairness, heterosexuality is the norm, so your point is a bit ridiculous.

In what way is it ridiculous?

Jay D was asking a retarded question as to why there aren't straight pride parades and claiming gay people are just attention seeking. Maybe if straight people had to face some of the obstacles that gay people do there would be.

hooradiation · 03-08-2012 12:15PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Go ahead, please do expand! Short snappy responses with no reasoning whatsoever don't really cut it in discussion.

I'm not sure what more needs to be said about the attitude of "oh ok, we're being shitty to a section of our population, but how dare they be so damn uppity about it".
Well, aside from fuck that attitude. That probably needs to be said some more.

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Why don't they go and annoy the people who make this legislation?

What makes you think that they don't? However change like this can only come when people are aware that there is an injustice. Hence why you're going to continue to be "annoyed".

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I can't do f*ck all for it (not that I care) and either can facebook. I tend to stay away from things that annoy me, but they are making it f*cking difficult.

Awww, you poor lamb. How very dare they inconvenience you. The scoundrels.

Kev_2012 wrote: »

If I have a problem I don't make it the world's problem

When your not afforded the same rights as your fellow citizens based on your sexual orientation then guess what, that IS the worlds problem.

Leaving aside your "I am an Island" fuckwittery, when the problem is that of a lack of rights, how do you suppose you not make it "the worlds problem"
Wish really hard?

Jesus wept, are you really this oblivious to what is actually happening, or are you just desperately trying to hold onto this fantasy that your mild annoyance at people trying to secure the same rights you enjoy trumps their attempts to secure it?

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I have several things I'd like to change about the world personally, but I'm not gonna rally about it.

Then your apathy is your problem, don't get all shitty when people display the drive you lack.

Tipsy McSwagger · 03-08-2012 12:22PM

seamus wrote: »

That's because they don't affect you personally. Think about your favourite pasttime - let's say you enjoy going to the pub. Now imagine that you were banned from going to the pub because your name is Kevin.
No reason, the publicans have just decided that they don't like Kevins, and you are banned from every pub in the country. When you ask for reasons, you're told, "Letting in Kevins will lower the standard of our pubs and cause the degradation of the atmosphere".
The government backs this and makes it illegal for anyone named Kevin to get a pub licence. So your only option is to drink at home.

So when all your mates and practically everyone else in the country (bar the other Kevins) are going to the pub and you're made stand outside because your name is Kevin, do you think you'd find yourself banding together with the other Kevins and protesting about it then?

Brilliant post. I think I will refer to homosexuals as 'Kevins' from now on:)

Bannasidhe · 03-08-2012 12:36PM

Many here have criticised the mayor of Chicago for condemning the CEO of Chick-a. They have stated that the CEO has the right to express an opinion and the mayor should butt out of wagging the finger at corporations as what they do is outside his remit.

So - what about this statement made by the Governor of Mississippi?

Governor condemns Mississippi church's refusal to allow black couple to marry
Friday, August 03, 2012 - 08:22 AM

Mississippi's governor has described the refusal by a predominantly white church to allow a black couple to get married there as "unfortunate".

Phil Bryant said the state should encourage the union of any couple - as long as they were a man and a woman.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/governor-condemns-mississippi-churchs-refusal-to-allow-black-couple-to-marry-561685.html

Is the Governor not blurring the line between church and state? Doesn't the congregation of the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs have the right to decide who can and who cannot get married in their church and expect the civil administration to mind it's own business?

04-08-2012 10:50AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

In what way is it ridiculous?

Jay D was asking a retarded question as to why there aren't straight pride parades and claiming gay people are just attention seeking. Maybe if straight people had to face some of the obstacles that gay people do there would be.

Funny how you went to the trouble of answering a "retarded" question then isn't it?

I've no beefs with anyone, but I do feel the constant jump on the bandwagon to make any case about themselves they can is ott.

Lelantos · 04-08-2012 02:03PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Medusa22 wrote: »

In any case, I'm sure that publicly announcing his stance will cause a loss of earnings and that pleases me greatly. If people want to boycott the restaurant and stage a ''kiss-in'' then they are perfectly entitled to do so.

Don't be so sure

Business may go down in some places but it will rise in others

Seems to be doing well in Arkansas

Hundreds of residents in Bryan and College Station waited in line for more than an hour to get their meal in support of Cathy.

"He just had his right to voice his opinion and his values. I feel like being out here and being a part of this and showing that that's what we should all be able to do as Americans,” said Lori Novosad, a Chick-fil-A customer.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Chick-fil-A-GainsLoses-Customers-After-Controversial-Comment-164683176.html

Mike Huckabee (remember him) drumming up some support.

This is what people should bear in mind. The amount of support groups for this company, online forums etc backing their stance is frightening! This is what right thinking people should be appalled at, that homophobic bigotry is on the rise amongst o called christian groups

B.A._Baracus · 04-08-2012 02:19PM

Heard about this briefly the other day....
So the president of this fast food chain said he believes same sex marriage is wrong. However has never stated that homosexual people are not welcome in the fast food restaurant, nor has he made fun of them.... so he was just voicing his opinions? as a person. Nothing to do with the company.

So people then protested outside a few restaurants because "that was too far" ... but what about personal opinions?

I personally dont have any issue with two people getting married. But if someone else doesnt agree with that. Who am I to say their wrong? live and let live. Are we meant to argue / protest / whatever with everyone who doesnt think the same? :rolleyes:

Bannasidhe · 04-08-2012 02:32PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Heard about this briefly the other day....
So the president of this fast food chain said he believes same sex marriage is wrong. However has never stated that homosexual people are not welcome in the fast food restaurant, nor has he made fun of them.... so he was just voicing his opinions? as a person. Nothing to do with the company.

So people then protested outside a few restaurants because "that was too far" ... but what about personal opinions?

I personally dont have any issue with two people getting married. But if someone else doesnt agree with that. Who am I to say their wrong? live and let live. Are we meant to argue / protest / whatever with everyone who doesnt think the same? :rolleyes:

So the president of this fast food chain said he believes same sex marriage is wrong and is donating millions of dollars to anti-gay marriage groups. So he has taken it beyond expression of an opinion and into lobbying and advocating for discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation. Different bucket of chicken altogether.

Yes, he has the 'right' to do this but then people also have the 'right' to boycott and protest.

Had he made such comments based on race or religion and donated millions to white supremacists or anti-Semitic lobby groups there would justifiably be outrage. I fail to see why the fact that his opposition is to homosexuals should be treated with any less contempt.

EZ24GET · 04-08-2012 03:13PM

The Cathy family is owner of the restaurants so he is more than just a president although that is his title. I don't believe he has broken any laws nor does he "hate" anyone.Disagreeing ( on this or any subject) with you does not cause me to hate you. If my disagreement causes you to hate me then you have a problem. I think Mr Cathy has a right to his opinion as does anyone. I have not seen any attempts to prevent demonstrations of protest nor support of his personal values. Both seemed to go on as planned, although I did view (on TV) several instances of hate messages spray painted on some of the restaurants, it doesn't necessarily mean it was in protest some people will latch on to any group just to create a little mischief. Surely if you held opposing beliefs and you owned a profitable company you would be entitled to spread your profits where you wished? I don't believe anyone else has the right to demand your money go to support things you don't believe in. The company itself has always been deemed a Christian family oriented business, never open on Sundays in respect and obeyance of the ten commandments. I don't want to focus on the religious asspects but it is the Southern Baptist church that is the center of the Cathy family beliefs and values so it is hard to ignore. I understand from friends who live in the area that the Cathy family donates to lots of organizations and supports various charities certainly not focused on what some would call anti- gay institutions. Here is a lin to the Cathy Family page if anyone would care to read a little of it. I guess I've said all that just to say this. I think we are demonizing this man unfairly. If his opinions differ from yours wouldn't it be better to change his opinion with education and rational actions? Just my opinion but yelling "hater" and demanding he fall in line to your belief makes you look pretty hateful to me. Bottom line: his company. His beliefs, His opinion, His money=His rights. Buy your chicken from whoever you want, donate your money where you wish, speak your opinions when your opinions are asked and you are free to "hate" who you want.
Well, forgot he link didn't I - sorry =http://www.cathyfamily.com/

Gbear · 04-08-2012 03:23PM

EZ24GET wrote: »

The Cathy family is owner of the restaurants so he is more than just a president although that is his title. I don't believe he has broken any laws nor does he "hate" anyone.Disagreeing ( on this or any subject) with you does not cause me to hate you. If my disagreement causes you to hate me then you have a problem. I think Mr Cathy has a right to his opinion as does anyone. I have not seen any attempts to prevent demonstrations of protest nor support of his personal values. Both seemed to go on as planned, although I did view (on TV) several instances of hate messages spray painted on some of the restaurants, it doesn't necessarily mean it was in protest some people will latch on to any group just to create a little mischief. Surely if you held opposing beliefs and you owned a profitable company you would be entitled to spread your profits where you wished? I don't believe anyone else has the right to demand your money go to support things you don't believe in. The company itself has always been deemed a Christian family oriented business, never open on Sundays in respect and obeyance of the ten commandments. I don't want to focus on the religious asspects but it is the Southern Baptist church that is the center of the Cathy family beliefs and values so it is hard to ignore. I understand from friends who live in the area that the Cathy family donates to lots of organizations and supports various charities certainly not focused on what some would call anti- gay institutions. Here is a lin to the Cathy Family page if anyone would care to read a little of it. I guess I've said all that just to say this. I think we are demonizing this man unfairly. If his opinions differ from yours wouldn't it be better to change his opinion with education and rational actions? Just my opinion but yelling "hater" and demanding he fall in line to your belief makes you look pretty hateful to me. Bottom line: his company. His beliefs, His opinion, His money=His rights. Buy your chicken from whoever you want, donate your money where you wish, speak your opinions when your opinions are asked and you are free to "hate" who you want.
Well, forgot he link didn't I - sorry =http://www.cathyfamily.com/

First of all, please write in paragraphs. I'd say alot of people just didn't read that because it's a big giant block of text.

If people don't approve of gay marriage that's fine. Even if they actually hate gay people, that's fine too.

The problem isn't the expression of the opinion (although, again, if you replace "gay" with "black" can you imagine the sh1tstorm?) it's the active donation to anti-gay lobby groups.
These groups aren't going around saying "we dislike gays. YOU HEARD ME" - they're actively campaigning for the denial of rights to a section of the population.

It doesn't matter a f*ck what your opinions are on somebody, whether they're gay or black or a religious fundamentalist, their rights are not up for debate.

hooradiation · 04-08-2012 03:47PM

I don't know who decided to spin it as "kindly old man likes traditional marriage, teh gays are getting upset at his opinion" but they've done a masterful job considering just how many people seem to think that's the entire crux of the issue.

That or they just don't really care to know what they're talking about before opening their noise flaps.

EZ24GET · 04-08-2012 03:51PM

Rights are not up to debate and if my government deems it appropriate to legalize same sex marriage then so be it.

Abortion has been legalized here so that law stands I have the right to agree or disagree. I also have the right to support organizations who oppose the law and offer (or try to offer) alternative means of dealing with unwanted pregnancies. I also have the right to support abortion clinics and organizations that make it easier to obtain an abortion -as to my own personal beliefs. That's my right.

No one is asking for an apology from gay rights activists because they are standing up for their beliefs. This is what they hold in their hearts to be true. They should continue in their beliefs.

No one should ask Mr. Cathy to give up his opinion and beliefs either. The fact that he doesn't believe same sex marriage is right is not breaking any law.

The problem seems to be that this is a man of some substance who gives his money away. If he had no money he wouldn't even have been asked his opinion. He is a Christian. ( and I realize that you will find varying beliefs among Christians too) Is it his right to give away his money where he wants?

The KKK which is an anti-black and anti-semantic organization (and in my opinion based in hatred) are still legal in this country. You can legally donate money to this organization too. Your money is your money.

As for "rights", That is still up for grabs. Some states have legalized same sex marriages the majority have not. At some point the right to marry will be defined, up until that point, and even beyond it, citizens will be able to express their opinion and support whichever side they believe in. That is each persons right.

Bannasidhe · 04-08-2012 03:54PM

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't know who decided to spin it as "kindly old man likes traditional marriage, teh gays are getting upset at his opinion" but they've done a masterful job considering just how many people seem to think that's the entire crux of the issue.

That or they just don't really care to know what they're talking about before opening their noise flaps.

Or they are the kind of people who believe extending equal rights to others somehow means they will have less rights when in fact what they will not have is preferential treatment. Which I suppose is worthy of protesting if one thinks one is inherently superior to other members of the human race.

mikemac1 · 04-08-2012 03:58PM

EZ24GET wrote: »

The KKK which is an anti-black and anti-semantic organization (and in my opinion based in hatred) are still legal in this country.

anti-Catholic too

Or papists as they say

YoungTrouble · 04-08-2012 03:59PM

I don't agree with gay 'people' either.It is called freedom of speech.

EZ24GET · 04-08-2012 04:01PM

I have a question. So don't everyone jump on me all at once for not knowing this already.

Is same sex marriage legal in Ireland? What countries of the world have legalized same sex marriages?

I am thinking (could be wrong, may have been more recent additions) that only 8 of the 50 states have legalized same sex marriages.

mikemac1 · 04-08-2012 04:04PM

A tad lazy

The list of countries is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_legislation_around_the_world

mickydoomsux · 04-08-2012 04:09PM

I'm completely pro-gay marriage but i think that if the owners of this particular chain want to be against it then that is their choice and they have to live with the consequences of their stance the same as any of us have to live with our stance on the issue.

So what if they are donating money to anti-campaign bodies? It's their money and their opinion. No one can tell them that they are "wrong".

We have become so PC nowadays that there are now widely accepted "wrong opinions". That's a very scary thought.

Bannasidhe · 04-08-2012 04:09PM

YoungTrouble wrote: »

I don't agree with gay 'people' either.It is called freedom of speech.

You registered just to say that? You must have little to be troubling you.

Why is people in inverted commas? Are you implying if one is gay one is not a person?

EZ24GET · 04-08-2012 04:11PM

yes suppose i am a bit lazy, but I was sure someone would know and be helpful.:) thank you.;)

It would appear that considering all those people and places that have not legalized same sex marriages, other than Mr. Cathy was of the same opinion ?

MagicMarker · 04-08-2012 04:14PM

If this guy wants to hold stupid opinions and give his money to other stupid people who hold the same stupid opinions, then he has the right to do it. Just like other people have the right to have a problem with it and protest against it.

Nothing new here, the world is still spinning and some people are still stupid. Business as usual.

Fast Food chain under fire from same sex couples

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